Next Manager Poll

[harrington]

Good point, well made. (I wasn't saying it's sensible for them to have PL experience as a prerequisite, btw, just trying to hazard the reasoning).

Edit: clearly, in recent years United has been following, not flying in the face of, this 'trend' that actually points to achieving success. Presumably the club higher-ups have reached the stage where they're wondering: why are we so 'good' at appointing the wrong European managers without prior PL experience to manage us, rather than the right one(s). Is it them or us?

 

[croadyman]

You can understand where they're coming from. Mourinho aside, since the departure of Moyes a line of highly regarded European managers without EPL experience has been ushered in through the gates to a fanfare and out again in relatively short order.

I just think when someone has won the Champions League in the case of Enrique or won Europa and League double in case of Alonso that should be considered as overriding PL experience. They should be keeping a more open mind when they bring that kind of pedigree to the table.

 

[The Firestarter]

I just think when someone has won the Champions League in the case of Enrique or won Europa and League double in case of Alonso that should be considered as overriding PL experience. They should be keeping a more open mind when they bring that kind of pedigree to the table.

Alonso didn't win Europa?

 

[stefan92]

Sure, but that also requires you to ignore who has actually been winning the league in the last few decades, which is a pretty compelling piece of evidence.

Slot - no PL experience before arriving at Liverpool.

Pep - no PL experience before arriving at City.

Klopp - no PL experience before arriving at Liverpool.

Conte - no PL experience before arriving at Chelsea.

Ancelotti - no PL experience before arriving at Chelsea

Mourinho - no PL experience before arriving at Chelsea first, and that experience was his only PL job before returning to Chelsea a second time.

Pellegrini - no PL experience before arriving at City.

Mancini - no PL experience before arriving at City.

Wenger - no PL experience before arriving at Arsenal.

Ferguson - no PL experience before arriving at United.

Unless I've missed someone, the only vaguely recent PL-winning manager who had previous experience at a different PL club was Claudio Ranieri. Who won in a remarkably against-the-odds manner, and was promptly fired the following season.

Based on that, anyone who thinks PL experience is a key factor in who top PL clubs should be hiring as manager has a very questionable view of what it takes to be successful in the league.

But what do they all have in common? They won leagues elsewhere. I said it again and again, to win the PL it is much more important to get a proven winner than a PL proven manager.

 

[croadyman]

Alonso didn't win Europa?

Yeah just realised they lost final to Atalanta

 

[croadyman]

But what do they all have in common? They won leagues elsewhere. I said it again and again, to win the PL it is much more important to get a proven winner than a PL proven manager.

Try telling that to those GLINEOS bozos

 

[sullydnl]

But what do they all have in common? They won leagues elsewhere. I said it again and again, to win the PL it is much more important to get a proven winner than a PL proven manager.

Definitely agree that experience winning is more valuable than PL experience.

But "proven winner" is itself a rather unreliable quality. As seen by the fact that all of Amorim, Ten Hag, Solkjaer, Mourinho and Van Gaal were proven winners and yet still failed here.

And given some of the leagues those PL winning managers had proven themselves in (France, Portugal, Scotland, Argentina), we can assume there are a lot of proven winners from those exact same leagues who would be disastrous appointments.

It's easy to describe the manager you want. A proven winner who plays a style of football that suits the club, players and current tactical meta. The problem is when your options mean you have to compromise on some of those qualities, or make very subjective assessments about how they will translate to your league/club/players.

There's no shorthand for who you should appoint. But if there was, it certainly wouldn't be "PL experience".

 

[justsomebloke]

With Glasner announcing he's leaving Palace this summer, you have to wonder if that's significanr. Could be a good candidate I suppose.

 

[antsmithmk]

With Glasner announcing he's leaving Palace this summer, you have to wonder if that's significanr. Could be a good candidate I suppose.

It's absolutely a banker. No coincidence at all.

 

[croadyman]

It's absolutely a banker. No coincidence at all.

Underwhelming if true

 

[hellhunter]

It's absolutely a banker. No coincidence at all.

It's been clear for months that he'd leave them, way before we sacked Amorim

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

With Glasner announcing he's leaving Palace this summer, you have to wonder if that's significanr. Could be a good candidate I suppose.

Yeah he’s definitely not leaving Palace to coach a non Bavarian team in Germany. It feels like a done deal.

 

[croadyman]

Yeah he’s definitely not leaving Palace to coach a non Bavarian team in Germany. It feels like a done deal.

Urgh all those names above him on list, nope GLINEOS take the safe cheap option of out of contract Glasner

 

[hellhunter]

Urgh all those names above him on list, nope GLINEOS take the safe cheap option of out of contract Glasner

Have we signed him?

 

[croadyman]

Have we signed him?

Just feels inevitable so best to prepare myself

 

[red_de_pologne]

I would imagine Tuchel is on top of our list. If they can't agree with him, they'll work their way down.

 

[SomeRandomPerson]

It's absolutely a banker. No coincidence at all.

Underwhelming if true

Yeah he’s definitely not leaving Palace to coach a non Bavarian team in Germany. It feels like a done deal.

Urgh all those names above him on list, nope GLINEOS take the safe cheap option of out of contract Glasner

Have we signed him?

Not sure how reliable this guy is. But Romano also indicated De Zerbi and Tuchel were top choices. Luis Enrique probably has no interest in ruining a perfectly good career.

 

[FortunaUtd]

Come on now

Oh my god

I bet that is BS though

 

[croadyman]

Not sure how reliable this guy is. But Romano also indicated De Zerbi and Tuchel were top choices. Luis Enrique probably has no interest in ruining a perfectly good career.

Yeah I would understand him not being interested, so at least just go and ask Alonso the question

 

[FortunaUtd]

Yeah he’s definitely not leaving Palace to coach a non Bavarian team in Germany. It feels like a done deal.

You never know with Glasner. Won the EL with Franfurt to leave and take over.. Crystal Palace. He's made some eurprising career choices along the way.

Anyway I for one hope we don't appoint him because he's not among my favourite choices to be our manager. But we could obviously do worse.

 

[Rolaholic]

Not sure how reliable this guy is. But Romano also indicated De Zerbi and Tuchel were top choices. Luis Enrique probably has no interest in ruining a perfectly good career.

Much warmer on RDZ, even though he's a bit of a dickhead, and Tuchel than Glasner in terms of strong personalities capable of navigating everything that comes with the United job.

If true, Lucho not being interested wouldn't be a shock.

It's a nice thought but we have to work our way towards building a club infrastructure and ecosystem capable of attracting the 'best in class' type of bracket of managers

 

[pocco]

De Zerbi will probably get the job at this rate and still never make it into the Caf poll

 

[croadyman]

Much warmer on RDZ, even though he's a bit of a dickhead, and Tuchel than Glasner in terms of strong personalities capable of navigating everything that comes with the United job.

If true, Lucho not being interested wouldn't be a shock.

It's a nice thougut but we have to work our way towards building a club infrastructure and ecosystem capable of attracting the 'best in class' type of bracket of managers

The only thing that puts me off about De Zerbi is the way he mocked how Utd handled Greenwood situation

 

[Rolaholic]

The only thing that puts me off about De Zerbi is the way he mocked how Utd handled Greenwood situation

Hence the dickhead part

Still think he's got the sort of edge to him that would go down well at United, so long as he doesn't push to resign his OM talisman, and he's not at all a coward tactically.

He wouldn't be at the top of my shortlist but I also wouldn’t throw a strop if that's who we eventually decided to take a chance on.

 

[Bojan11]

Surprised Frank isn’t on the list. He’s having a poor season with Spurs but he would be my pick. Feels a good fit for United.

With the latest news though I expect it will be Glasner. If he can bring Wharton with him then not a terrible shout, but not entirely convinced by him.

How is he a good fit?

 

[Andycoleno9]

What is with all these Tuchel rumours? Guy is yet to manage England on big competition and he rejected us while we were in better shape.

Why would he leave NT job?

 

[Irwin99]

I wonder how Conte would do with United. Pretty sure he wouldn’t take any crap about his formation(s) or criticism from ex players.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I think De Zerbi would probably do a good job here. I just really hate the way he acted about Greenwood.

 

[El-Manos]

Not sure how reliable this guy is. But Romano also indicated De Zerbi and Tuchel were top choices. Luis Enrique probably has no interest in ruining a perfectly good career.

Enrique would make the most sense. Think PL experience when it comes to managing is meaningless. Different when it comes to buying players .

 

[Slick Bastardly]

Enrique would be some statement. So would Xabi.

The rest. meh.

We need a character to lead the way. Someone with purpose and intent. I thought Ruben was him, but that all went away the second he turned his back on those penalties.
That kinda gave it away that he's not the one.

 

[Berbasbullet]

Not sure how reliable this guy is. But Romano also indicated De Zerbi and Tuchel were top choices. Luis Enrique probably has no interest in ruining a perfectly good career.

He’s worth an interview regardless, but yeah 4th or 5th choice.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

You never know with Glasner. Won the EL with Franfurt to leave and take over.. Crystal Palace. He's made some eurprising career choices along the way.

Anyway I for one hope we don't appoint him because he's not among my favourite choices to be our manager. But we could obviously do worse.

A lot more money in the PL so that’s not even a surprising choice. Palace, probably have a bigger budget than Frankfurt as well and it’s gone as well as he could have hoped to put himself in contention for bigger jobs. If not United, he’ll end up at Spurs.

 

[macheda14]

I think De Zerbi would probably do a good job here. I just really hate the way he acted about Greenwood.

He plays great football. I wanted him went ETH was on his way out, but he will 100% push to bring greenwood back if we approach him, which I could see being a sticking point as the club know they can’t. Rightfully so. (To anyone who wants to respond and say we should bring him back, please don’t we don’t need that conversation in here).

He’s just such an explosive character that I don’t see how he would work with our seemingly fragile execs.

I’m hoping for Nagelsmann or Xabi which are both pipe dreams.

Enrique would be top, but never happening

 

[OverratedOpinion]

He plays great football. I wanted him went ETH was on his way out, but he will 100% push to bring greenwood back if we approach him, which I could see being a sticking point as the club know they can’t. Rightfully so. (To anyone who wants to respond and say we should bring him back, please don’t we don’t need that conversation in here).

He’s just such an explosive character that I don’t see how he would work with our seemingly fragile execs.

I’m hoping for Nagelsmann or Xabi which are both pipe dreams.

Enrique would be top, but never happening

Who knows, it's not like he has a long standing relationship with Greenwood. I just got annoyed at him wanting to have a dig at Utd for doing the right thing. Regarding his character, I think our board put up with Amorim saying really out there stuff for ages and that was when he wasn't getting results. It only seems to bother them if it is aimed at them. Ironically despite all this talk about our board, I have the feeling that if we got a manager who got some good results then they would probably bend over backwards for him. They know they are failing right now and if someone came in to help change the fortunes then I think he would quickly become their guy.

I don't actually want him but I do reckon he would do pretty well.

 

[macheda14]

Who knows, it's not like he has a long standing relationship with Greenwood. I just got annoyed at him wanting to have a dig at Utd for doing the right thing. Regarding his character, I think our board put up with Amorim saying really out there stuff for ages and that was when he wasn't getting results. It only seems to bother them if it is aimed at them. Ironically despite all this talk about our board, I have the feeling that if we got a manager who got some good results then they would probably bend over backwards for him. They know they are failing right now and if someone came in to help change the fortunes then I think he would quickly become their guy.

I don't actually want him but I do reckon he would do pretty well.

He doesn’t, but he’s been doing incredibly well for him. His stats are ridiculous although there were reports he called him out significantly at points.

Yeh I agree on all other points there.

 

[jem]

I wonder how Conte would do with United. Pretty sure he wouldn’t take any crap about his formation(s) or criticism from ex players.

I could see it going much the same way it did when he managed Tottenham (ie. not well.)

 

[USREDEVIL]

De Zerbi..eww. Especially when Tuchel, Iraola, Nagelsmann, and Enrique are not out of the question. Even Ancellotti is arguably possible. At least until they say no. And "no" means "no" girls....

 

[Cee90]

Trying very hard not to be disillusioned by all of this…but it’s hard.

We just seem so far behind that I don’t see any manager coming in and fixing things.

Looking through that list of managers doesn’t excite me, maybe I’ve just become a bit numb to another new manager and another new project.

I’ve said it before but under Ole was really the best time to be a United fan for me post Fergie. It was exciting, it felt fresh and there was a lot of positivity around the club, until the end of course.

 

[Giggsyking]

 

[NoPace]

I’m becoming very skeptical that we’re gonna end up looking at Glasner, Silva etc. and the cycle will continue

In hindsight, Silva might have done okay if he'd been hired when Amorim was because a bog standard 4-2-3-1 woulda suited Bruno as a #10, Amad as a RW (he's not not like Harry Wilson), Casemiro gets partner for his aging legs. Doesn't mean much now, though.

If we can't get Enrique and we're debating between Prem guys, I'll probably root for Iraola, as I have no idea what will actually work but, I do think his brand of football is fun to watch and don't blame him for their downturn much, as he had to sell 3/4 of his defence. His players seem to get his ideas, the most talented ones (Semenyo, Kerkez, Huijsen, Zabarnyi) seem to thrive under him. He can learn to manage a game with a lead/make his team less predictable over time. That seems to take time for some managers. His teams compete very hard. He uses wingers at CM and #10 to success so that solves the issue of Amad + Mbeumo playing the same position but also being the 2 players who are the safest bets to be quality outfield starting XI on a top 4 team level players over the next 5 years (next up I think is tough, but De Ligt and Sesko I guess. Sesko seems like a good fit, but De Ligt might want a deeper line than Iraola plays?).