Neymar on the move?

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You think its hard to separate Neymar, Leo and Hazard? Have you watched all 3 of them play in the last 12 months?
I did. Messi's 32 right now, get over it. He's still a great dribbler and probably the most effective one so there are many arguments in his favour but Neymar and Hazard are also insanely good and nowadays beat players much more frequently than Leo. It's a testament to how good he was in his prime that 32 year old Messi is still arguably the best dribbler around but in contrast to his early days, he's not one or two levels above anyone else anymore.
 

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Good dribbler = best players. As simple as that.
 

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Would Coutinho and Dembele want to move to the French league?
 

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Good dribbler = best players. As simple as that.
Neymar in Europe:

261 scorers (156 goals and 105 assists) in 244 games
78 minutes per scorer
130 minutes per goal

Neymar in his 3 years for PSG:

80 scorers (51 goals and 29 assists) in 58 games
63 minutes per scorer
98 minutes per goal

Yeah, he's only just that: A good dribbler. How can anybody compare this little showboater with mighty Pogba? I mean, have you seen how he can shield the ball? He's strong! And he can pass across the whole field.
 

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That's a different aspect, sure. As United I wouldn't make him my primary target either because currently you can't offer him the perspective he demands and his spell at your club could end the same way it's now taking place at PSG. But if he wanted to come and the possibility to swap him for Pogba was on the table? I wouldn't even think twice, Neymar is on a completely different level.

I think he was the third best player in the world when he wasn't injured. With him it's a little bit like with Messi, people are taking for granted that he just casually beats three man and scores/assists.
I would never want the current Neymar, no matter how great of a footballer he is, the disruption he brings isn't worth it. Man United is a club trying to rebuild itself, that cannot be done with prima donnas of the highest order. Besides the comparison is dumb as they are nothing alike as footballers so don't understand the need to entertain it.
 

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Neymar in Europe:

261 scorers (156 goals and 105 assists) in 244 games
78 minutes per scorer
130 minutes per goal

Neymar in his 3 years for PSG:

80 scorers (51 goals and 29 assists) in 58 games
63 minutes per scorer
98 minutes per goal

Yeah, he's only just that: A good dribbler. How can anybody compare this little showboater with mighty Pogba? I mean, have you seen how he can shield the ball? He's strong! And he can pass across the whole field.
Who even compared him to Neymar? I didn't.

Why are you comparing his stats from last 5-6 years when we are talking about 3 best players in Europe this season. And how did Hazard become top 3 player in the world?

And also you have too much sand in your vagina, that's for sure. Going on a little rants and tbh your posts on Pogba are just downright stupid.
 

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I agree with most of your points other than talents like Neymar can be mass produced, that's definitely wrong. You'd be lucky to get 3 talents equal to Neymar per generation.
You could be right but I don't have that impression unfortunately. I've only seen him in international fixtures, Champions League and a few select league games mind you. He's good and has glimpses of absolute brilliance but I'm yet to be convinced he should be rated that dominant. Messi and Ronaldo are still raging supreme - probably the best footballers ever produced to be fair and considering their physique I think they will be lingering in or near the top for a few more seasons. Neymar isn't quite there - he belongs in the bracket below as does many others.

I rate both Mbappe and Suarez on a similar level - for instance - and I'd even throw Aguero and Lewandowski into that mix. Based on last season I can't help thinking Saleh and Mane shouldn't be in there as well - but hopefully that was just a fluke :keano:

And there are players too with overlapping careers who are over it or even retired now who's achievements I think are comparable to his - that I've not mentioned as they're no longer relevant - so I can't agree I'm afraid that we'd be lucky to see three footballers per generation on his level. Neymar isn't among this generation's GOAT candidates - he's an (dis:angel:)honorable mention and every generation has quite a few of those.
 
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I would never want the current Neymar, no matter how great of a footballer he is, the disruption he brings isn't worth it. Man United is a club trying to rebuild itself, that cannot be done with prima donnas of the highest order. Besides the comparison is dumb as they are nothing alike as footballers so don't understand the need to entertain it.
Because he is obsessed with Pogba for some odd reasons.
 

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He is comfortably the 3rd best player in the world. He's worth much more than Pogba from a purely footballing standpoint and is even more marketable.
In your opinion. Most of us would rather take Mbappe, hazard over Neymar. Pogba is just as marketable.
 

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Neymar on loan (with option to buy) would be a strong option. He has baggage, but so did Cantona before we bought him. You can't always play safe. It's not every season someone of his quality is potentially available and it's not cut and dried. It's not just the player though, when players see the ambition then it attracts others. We saw that with Juves dealings. Ronaldo was a coup for them so we have to be smart. Unless Lukaku up's his game big time, who are we to say no? We should be confident of creating an environment where he would be free to show how good he is.

Sir Alex used to give leeway to certain players, giving them breaks at certain times etc. I think we could avoid a lot of mess by understanding that and I think we have the options to cope. It's pure fantasy right but there don't have to be a drama. Once the season starts, we have ALOT to prove with our current group. Are we good enough to be arrogant and say nah? I don't think we are right now.
 
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I would never want the current Neymar, no matter how great of a footballer he is, the disruption he brings isn't worth it. Man United is a club trying to rebuild itself, that cannot be done with prima donnas of the highest order. Besides the comparison is dumb as they are nothing alike as footballers so don't understand the need to entertain it.
The comparison isn't dumb because the discussion revolved around a swap of both players so obviously you have to compare the impact both have on their teams. Especially since both seem to play in the very same position nowadays considering most in here see Pogba as a 10.

Your general idea about the rebuild is right though, IMO, and I think that's how you should approach it. Anyway, ironically it's not like Pogba isn't a prima donna of the highest order. You could make the same arguments you are making against Neymar against him.

Who even compared him to Neymar? I didn't.

Why are you comparing his stats from last 5-6 years when we are talking about 3 best players in Europe this season. And how did Hazard become top 3 player in the world?

And also you have too much sand in your vagina, that's for sure. Going on a little rants and tbh your posts on Pogba are just downright stupid.
You are the one making the snappy comment, not me. I'm sorry I'm criticizing your favourite player but I just don't see the quality you guys seem to see in him. A decent midfielder with unique style and lots of underutilized potential and very, very stupid decision making, and that's it. Nobody of you guys would rate him the way you do if he wasn't playing for your club.

And why I'm using the stats of his last 5-6 years? In anticipation of the "yeah, but that's only the Ligue 1" and "17 games are not enough to judge on" arguments. Not that you could've guessed that yourself, I've yet to see you make some serious arguments. Every single one of your answers to me is just an effort to ridicule me. Talking about obsession.
 

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You are the one making the snappy comment, not me. I'm sorry I'm criticizing your favourite player but I just don't see the quality you guys seem to see in him. A decent midfielder with unique style and lots of underutilized potential and very, very stupid decision making, and that's it. Nobody of you guys would rate him the way you do if he wasn't playing for your club.
:lol: One more stupid comment.
 

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Why is Pogba discussed in this thread?
 

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PSG will miss Neymar when he's gone. Mbappe might get all the hype, but Neymar is still easily their best player. Whoever they replace him with will be a downgrade.
 

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:lol: One more stupid comment.
As I said, not one serious reply, just attempts on provocation and ridiculing. I'm sorry, but outside of Manchester and France few people see Pogba on the level his evangelists in here reckon him to be.
 

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As I said, not one serious reply, just attempts on provocation and ridiculing. I'm sorry, but outside of Manchester and France few people see Pogba on the level his evangelists in here reckon him to be.
Oh sorry for calling stupid post as stupid. You made a post based on assumption when he was rated very highly on caf when he was playing for Juventus.

Bold part, again one more stupid assumption.

And what serious reply you are expecting when your posts are "nonbody rates him if he wasnt playing for ManUtd" or how for some odd reasons compared Neymar with Pogba or how you added Hazard alongside Messi as 3rd best player.
 

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The comparison isn't dumb because the discussion revolved around a swap of both players so obviously you have to compare the impact both have on their teams. Especially since both seem to play in the very same position nowadays considering most in here see Pogba as a 10.

Your general idea about the rebuild is right though, IMO, and I think that's how you should approach it. Anyway, ironically it's not like Pogba isn't a prima donna of the highest order. You could make the same arguments you are making against Neymar against him.



You are the one making the snappy comment, not me. I'm sorry I'm criticizing your favourite player but I just don't see the quality you guys seem to see in him. A decent midfielder with unique style and lots of underutilized potential and very, very stupid decision making, and that's it. Nobody of you guys would rate him the way you do if he wasn't playing for your club.

And why I'm using the stats of his last 5-6 years? In anticipation of the "yeah, but that's only the Ligue 1" and "17 games are not enough to judge on" arguments. Not that you could've guessed that yourself, I've yet to see you make some serious arguments. Every single one of your answers to me is just an effort to ridicule me. Talking about obsession.
Pogba is a model pro next to Neymar, they have absolutely nothing in common. He's not perfect of course but he's so much better than Neymar at that aspect.
Swapping players doesn't mean the direct comparison between Pogba and Neymar makes sense. One is an attacker and the other a CM.
 

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Oh sorry for calling stupid post as stupid. You made a post based on assumption when he was rated very highly on caf when he was playing for Juventus.

Bold part, again one more stupid assumption.

And what serious reply you are expecting when your posts are "nonbody rates him if he wasnt playing for ManUtd" or how for some odd reasons compared Neymar with Pogba or how you added Hazard alongside Messi as 3rd best player.
That's tiresome. Of course my posts come across as stupid if you alter them with the intention of making them look stupid.

I didn't say "nobody rates him", I said nobody rates him the way some of you guys seem to do. Of course he's a good player and that was recognized by the whole world when he played for Juventus but the spheres in which many posters in here reckon him are just ridiculous. Even back then the world was in utter disbelief that you paid what, 100m for him? Thing is, he's from United's academy and he's exactly the type of player English fans love: Big, strong, likes to take a shot from the distance, plays long balls, can score goals, does some fancy foot work here and there, etc. And you ignore that most of that is inefficient and rather dumb.

I also didn't say that Hazard is in my top 3. He could be, I'm not too sure currently, but thing is, I didn't say it. I said he's among the three best dribblers currently in the game and that's it. So please, stop pretending I argued points I didn't just because it makes it easier for you to ridicule me.
 

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When Neymar moved to PSG, i thougt it would just be an interstation for a move to Real. It still can happen.
 

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That's tiresome. Of course my posts come across as stupid if you alter them with the intention of making them look stupid.

I didn't say "nobody rates him", I said nobody rates him the way some of you guys seem to do. Of course he's a good player and that was recognized by the whole world when he played for Juventus but the spheres in which many posters in here reckon him are just ridiculous. Even back then the world was in utter disbelief that you paid what, 100m for him? Thing is, he's from United's academy and he's exactly the type of player English fans love: Big, strong, likes to take a shot from the distance, plays long balls, can score goals, does some fancy foot work here and there, etc. And you ignore that most of that is inefficient and rather dumb.

I also didn't say that Hazard is in my top 3. He could be, I'm not too sure currently, but thing is, I didn't say it. I said he's among the three best dribblers currently in the game and that's it. So please, stop pretending I argued points I didn't just because it makes it easier for you to ridicule me.
Without altering too as you built your points on assumptions. He was rated very highly when he was at Juventus and there are so many players who are rated very highly on caf. If anything caf has "grass is always greener elsewhere" syndrome, so saying "pogba won't be rated by ManUtd fans as highly if he wasn't playing for ManUtd" is incorrect and tbh for me it's a stupid point considering how other players are rated so highly here.

Bold part is again wrong, he is not rated highly by PL fans as he isn't good defensively, doesn't run around a lot.

Meh at this point I don't believe you watched Pogba play or even know what you are talking about. I read many posts of yours on Pogba and that much is obvious.

Pogba might be overrated by few here but he is miles better than what you assume his quality is.
 

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Without altering too as you built your points on assumptions. He was rated very highly when he was at Juventus and there are so many players who are rated very highly on caf. If anything caf has "grass is always greener elsewhere" syndrome, so saying "pogba won't be rated by ManUtd fans as highly if he wasn't playing for ManUtd" is incorrect and tbh for me it's a stupid point considering how other players are rated so highly here.

Bold part is again wrong, he is not rated highly by PL fans as he isn't good defensively, doesn't run around a lot.

Meh at this point I don't believe you watched Pogba play or even know what you are talking about. I read many posts of yours on Pogba and that much is obvious.

Pogba might be overrated by few here but he is miles better than what you assume his quality is.
Yeah, it's as if he didn't realize that Pogba was probably the most disliked and underrated player on the caf and among PL fans.
 

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When Neymar moved to PSG, i thougt it would just be an interstation for a move to Real. It still can happen.
Yeah it’s been surprising that Madrid hasn’t been linked to him too much. I can only assume Zidane isn’t too keen on him? Because they’d make a plan to afford him if they needed to, no doubt. They’ve barely spent money the past 5 years or so, iirc - especially compared to Barca.

Suppose flogging Bale has also proved troublesome.
 

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Yeah, it's as if he didn't realize that Pogba was probably the most disliked and underrated player on the caf and among PL fans.
Yep, at times he is actually criticized so much, that he becomes vastly underrated :lol:

He’s also been included in the PFA team of the year, various WC 2018 teams of the tournament, UEFA CL teams of the tournament in the past, Serie A teams of the year etc. - so clearly he is rated outside of just France and Manchester to boot.
 

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Yeah, it's as if he didn't realize that Pogba was probably the most disliked and underrated player on the caf and among PL fans.
Exactly. All the points are based on assumptions and far from reality.

"Typical PL player" who gets so much criticism from typical EPL pundits.
 

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Yeah it’s been surprising that Madrid hasn’t been linked to him too much. I can only assume Zidane isn’t too keen on him? Because they’d make a plan to afford him if they needed to, no doubt. They’ve barely spent money the past 5 years or so, iirc - especially compared to Barca.

Suppose flogging Bale has also proved troublesome.
I guess Zidanes Diamond-Tactic, Hazard and Mbappe are three reasons. Would Ney be comfortable as a second striker?
Does Real prefer Mbappe (next Summer) next to Jovic?

------Jovic--------------Mbappe----- | ------Neymar------------Jovic------
--------------Hazard----------------- | ----------------Hazard--------------
------Kroos-------------Modric(?)--- | ------Kroos-----------Modric(?)---
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Yep, at times he is actually criticized so much, that he becomes vastly underrated :lol:

He’s also been included in the PFA team of the year, various WC 2018 teams of the tournament, UEFA CL teams of the tournament in the past, Serie A teams of the year etc. - so clearly he is rated outside of just France and Manchester to boot.
And you could say the same thing about Neymar, he really is a great player and on the field he makes his teammates shine and seems happy to do it. The issue with him is that he can get over confident/arrogant and after being kicked around like a piñata, he now doesn't hesitate to dive but people should see how he was handled in Brazil and even Spain. The reason I don't want Neymar at United is because I don't think that he wants to be at United and I don't trust him to settle.
 

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Wonder if PSG would take either of Coutinho or Dembele in a swap (plus cash).
I would think PSG would need to be the ones adding cash for those two players. Weren’t they supposedly around 260-280 for them. I’d offer Neymar and say 30mil.

On Neymar it is amazing how someone who can be brilliant on his day can be so unlikable that I wouldn’t want such a good player at United. His diving antics have become crazy and if anyone had seen him playing in Brazil and some of the tackles he was taking and riding you’d be shocked at some of the things he goes down for now and the theatrics. I saw him once get taken at waist height in a game with studs up and he was back up within about 30 seconds. Some of the tackles he would take in that league were ridiculous.

Now I don’t even enjoy watching him play anymore which is a shame.
 

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Well that's the first you mentioned of your not wanting him being because of his style of play and him being over rated and not producing enough, that's a different matter.
Goes hand in hand for me that's all I am saying. If I liked the way he played and he was influencing most big games he played in I could forgive some of the crap associated with him.
 

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I also didn't say that Hazard is in my top 3. He could be, I'm not too sure currently, but thing is, I didn't say it. I said he's among the three best dribblers currently in the game and that's it. So please, stop pretending I argued points I didn't just because it makes it easier for you to ridicule me.
You may have meant dribbling but this post makes it sound like you meant best player outright.

I don't think the EPL is that much tougher than other European top leagues. Some of the smaller teams may be more physical but they aren't dirty. And Neymar is used to being roughed up by dirty opponents targeting him. He'd run circles around EPL defenders just like he did in every league he played in. Currently it's hard to tell if Neymar, Messi or Hazard is the best player on the planet but those guys are so good they'll do it in every league against every opponent, basically.
 

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I think we all needed another Pogba thread.
 

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The offer is to take both plus 90 million, which is a super offer in my eyes.
Sorry man, I wasn’t aware. Last rumors I read was the €90m plus Coutinho & Rakitic.

I guess Zidanes Diamond-Tactic, Hazard and Mbappe are three reasons. Would Ney be comfortable as a second striker?
Does Real prefer Mbappe (next Summer) next to Jovic?

------Jovic--------------Mbappe----- | ------Neymar------------Jovic------
--------------Hazard----------------- | ----------------Hazard--------------
------Kroos-------------Modric(?)--- | ------Kroos-----------Modric(?)---
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I think Real probably also sees a lot more longevity in Mbappe. He could take the mantle from the big 2 for the foreseeable future.

And you could say the same thing about Neymar, he really is a great player and on the field he makes his teammates shine and seems happy to do it. The issue with him is that he can get over confident/arrogant and after being kicked around like a piñata, he now doesn't hesitate to dive but people should see how he was handled in Brazil and even Spain. The reason I don't want Neymar at United is because I don't think that he wants to be at United and I don't trust him to settle.
100% agreed with you. People dislike him/his on/off field antics and it clouds their judgement on his ability. I wouldn’t want him at United for those reasons either - on top of the fact that we have a big rebuild to focus on. Neymar is a good signing to try and propel you to the level from UCL/league contenders to potential winners. He’s not what we need right now.

I would think PSG would need to be the ones adding cash for those two players. Weren’t they supposedly around 260-280 for them. I’d offer Neymar and say 30mil.

On Neymar it is amazing how someone who can be brilliant on his day can be so unlikable that I wouldn’t want such a good player at United. His diving antics have become crazy and if anyone had seen him playing in Brazil and some of the tackles he was taking and riding you’d be shocked at some of the things he goes down for now and the theatrics. I saw him once get taken at waist height in a game with studs up and he was back up within about 30 seconds. Some of the tackles he would take in that league were ridiculous.

Now I don’t even enjoy watching him play anymore which is a shame.
Yeah, agreed. As stated above, I read the rumor as €90m plus Coutinho and Rakitic. I think Coutinhos market value has plummeted tbf. And I also don’t see Dembele staying if Neymar comes. Maybe Barca are offering Rakitic first, to start negotiations. We might well end up in a position where they’re both offered. Or Dembele is sold to raise funds for a Coutinho plus cash move.
 

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Barca have now made an offer for him apparently..

according to sky:

"Barcelona have made a £90m offer plus two players for Paris Saint-Germain forward Neymar, according to Sky in Germany.

The La Liga club have given PSG a list of six players that could be included in the deal, including Philippe Coutinho, Ousmane Dembele, Ivan Rakitic, Nelson Semedo, Malcom and Samuel Umtiti."

Hope PSG tell them to beat it


**EDIT- my bad, just seeing this broke last night so prob posted already*


 
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I would think PSG would need to be the ones adding cash for those two players. Weren’t they supposedly around 260-280 for them. I’d offer Neymar and say 30mil.

On Neymar it is amazing how someone who can be brilliant on his day can be so unlikable that I wouldn’t want such a good player at United. His diving antics have become crazy and if anyone had seen him playing in Brazil and some of the tackles he was taking and riding you’d be shocked at some of the things he goes down for now and the theatrics. I saw him once get taken at waist height in a game with studs up and he was back up within about 30 seconds. Some of the tackles he would take in that league were ridiculous.

Now I don’t even enjoy watching him play anymore which is a shame.
Their values significantly dropped (as did Neymar's tbh) but I still think PSG would never add any cash in this possible transaction.
 

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I think he was the third best player in the world when he wasn't injured. With him it's a little bit like with Messi, people are taking for granted that he just casually beats three man and scores/assists.
Yes that and people are dismissive of his contributions at PSG because "it's only Ligue 1" when the same people would probably happily include Ben Yedder's Ligue 1 stats as to how great he is if it looked like United were going to sign him.

I would never want the current Neymar, no matter how great of a footballer he is, the disruption he brings isn't worth it. Man United is a club trying to rebuild itself, that cannot be done with prima donnas of the highest order. Besides the comparison is dumb as they are nothing alike as footballers so don't understand the need to entertain it.
Was he disruptive at Santos where he stayed a couple of years extra than he could have or needed to? Which he done for the benefit of his club.

Was he disruptive at Barcelona? Happily taking a back seat and helping Messi and Suarez perform to the levels they did?

You can argue he is being disruptive at PSG because he isn't happy there and feels frustrated at himself for going there. Is Pogba being disruptive at United this summer?

In your opinion. Most of us would rather take Mbappe, hazard over Neymar. Pogba is just as marketable.
Even as a Chelsea fan if you gave me the power to make one happen now either Hazard back or Neymar I would choose Neymar. He is a better player than Hazard, simple.
 

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Even as a Chelsea fan if you gave me the power to make one happen now either Hazard back or Neymar I would choose Neymar. He is a better player than Hazard, simple.
I would take Hazard over Neymar at Utd. Neymar is more hassle than he is worth. Look at Pogba over the last few years, brilliant player but when the team isn't doing well, the noises created.

ANyway, we cannot afford Neymar. and if a miracle happened ans we signed him, he would go barca a year later for a fraction of the fee, thats how we seem to operate, we cannot keep hold of big players.
 

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PSG will miss Neymar when he's gone. Mbappe might get all the hype, but Neymar is still easily their best player. Whoever they replace him with will be a downgrade.
I agree. Neymar has done himself little favours, with nonsense off-field (which is, in his mitigation, a little over-hyped though), getting involved with fams leading to a ban was terribly irrepsonsible though... petulant.. his massive demands, and his seemingly overtly-centred role within the national team. His injuries do not help either...

BUT....

Neymar is without a doubt, a special, unique football talent. An awesome player, beautiful to watch, phenomenal skill and ability which cannot be taught, nor contained when he playing even 50 to 75% of his game. I love watching him.. he dominates and wins games on his own, completely controls the tempo of a game, regardless of opposition... and what I really love about him, is the fact that he is a goalscorer. He scores, loads, and loads, and loads of goals. He's not even a No 9!!

One season of him being relatively injury-free, and happy with his football, and you could almost guarantee a Ballon'D'Or. The guy is special.

I actually think that Brazil playing without him, and winning, will assist him. Because what he needs is a season of humility. And we all, any football fan, would love to see that.

He's a brilliant footballer. Truly brilliant. Does things, and sees the game in ways v v v v few players do. Only Messi and CR7 can have a more individual impact, in that incredible way.