Well it’s not just about Allen, I don’t think Watson was clearly better than the others as well. Arguably but not definitely.
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Its the dimension they've been lacking and now its arrived. Unfortunately, at a time when their defense has turned to crap.
Lamar’s much more than a capable starter. Daniel Jones is a capable starter. Lamar is a former league MVP, one of the biggest stars in the league and has won more games than all the other young QBs except Mahomes (and Dak but he’s a bit older).
It’s a bit of both. Robin summed it up really well. I think OBJ gets a bad rap because he was constantly targeted by the NY media for no fault of his own. Eli was terrible during his later years and he was right to complain about the play calling. Mayfield is a just terrible QB. Just look at how many weapons he has and still cannot connect with a single one of them.
Agree on Lamar but gonna have to disagree with the bolded bit - Giants are going nowhere with Judge, Gettleman and Daniel Jones as their starting QB imo.
Not this again. He revamped much of the offense with some key free agent signings. He wasn't allowed to do anything on the defense, ownership told him so & Monte Kiffin was basically a co-head coach. He did win with Dungy's defense, but Gruden played a large part in winning the Super Bowl, there's no doubt about that.
Now, longer term? He was mediocre.
Yeah he deserves a lot of credit for the SB win. He looked like he may get there with the Raiders in the preceding two years, so winning it with the Bucs wasn't exactly a surprise when it happened.
Anyone have some futures bets for the season? Mine are doing ok at the moment, just need the Chiefs to start turning a corner on the division winner accas.
Got Garrett DPOY and Parsons DROY as a 50/1 double. Both current favourites.
Got Garrett DPOY and Parsons DROY and Mac Jones as OROY as a 175/1 treble. All 3 current favourites.
Then Jets/Eagles under 6.5 and Texans/Lions under 4.5 wins @ 10/1
Only one not looking great is Chargers/Cowboys/Pats all over 9.5 wins @15/2. Pats are a bad side although may get to 8 or 9.
Got Garrett DPOY and Parsons DROY as a 50/1 double. Both current favourites.
Got Garrett DPOY and Parsons DROY and Mac Jones as OROY as a 175/1 treble. All 3 current favourites.
Then Jets/Eagles under 6.5 and Texans/Lions under 4.5 wins @ 10/1
Only one not looking great is Chargers/Cowboys/Pats all over 9.5 wins @15/2. Pats are a bad side although may get to 8 or 9.
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Wow. Gotta laugh at people saying “what about your emails?!?!”
I can guarantee that I’ve never sent an email with anything like this in it. Because I’m not a moron.
Well yeah, let’s look at what he did since then, after winning with Dungy’s team (and I’m going to call it that, because what was the exceptional side of the ball in that team? The offense or the defense?):
45-51 with Tampa Bay
22-31 with the Raiders
0 playoff wins in 10 seasons
Mediocre indeed.
Except the Bucs never had the #1 Defense in the NFL in Dungy's 5 years there, whereas they did after Gruden's arrival. They also had the #4 defense the following year under Gruden. He also led the Raiders to the AFC championship game in 2000 and was on his way back if not for the tuck rule game in 2001. Obviously things went south after his first few years in Tampa, but he has demonstrated that he can win with multiple teams, which is why he was lured back by the Raiders.
CMC missed last season and a few games this year, yet he's been very productive. And he hasn't had massive injuries that have caused him to miss every other year like OBJ. When he's healthy, CMC plays like CMC.
If OBJ doesn't like his situation, he'll find a way to get out. His contract is a bit of an anchor, but if he's as elite as many people still believe he is, then he will not have a shortage of suitors. Then let's see if he's the ultimate weapon or just another weapon for an offense.
I think he's overrated, a good one to very good, but not elite anymore after his first 3 years in the league.
Each pro league front office apparatus controls these things I'd imagine. And those with the money and the power control dissemination of information and whatnot. Like Kraft in the handjob scandal and how the league clearly covered up the Pats obvious game-taping in the early SB days - no doubt there was likely film on the Rams practice session and imagine playing public relations over something that huge, a potential stolen league championship. Would have pissed off fans, sponsors, and the gambling industry. It's easier to can a head coach or player but getting rid of an owner is a different animal, and not many can afford 2-5 billion to purchase a club.
He's just a more rounded, more attractive, younger version of Switzer minus the college football success. Both won SBs off others' legacies but one managed to stay in the limelight post-NFL and later con an owner into more millions.
They'd likely have choked at Pittsburgh. Why did he leave Oakland? Big money offer from Tampa? Something else?
That's not fair. He managed to completely obliterate one of the greatest defences ever assembled in exchange for one of the most disappointing offences you'll ever see.
Getting a lot of boss baby vibes from Jon Gruden
Haha. In fairness to Gruden (don’t know why I’m being fair to that doofus but still…), the Bucs were not already SB winners when Gruden took them over. But like Switzer, he did have his greatest success in the NFL on the back of someone else’s work.
It’s a good question TBF
Fair enough. I was just trying to think of an average player that’s a starting QB.
Colts should've won that game. That fumble from Lamar Jackson which was returned for the cancelled touchdown should've stood. It was a backwards pass from the Colts player to his teammate.
Anyone else play against Lamar Jackson in fantasy last night and went to bed thinking you’ve won? Fecking hell, 54.3 points 
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There’s gonna be plenty of fallout from all this after it’s all said and done.
Not sure anyone is surprised that the entirety of the league - owners/coaches/players/media - are all scumbags.
I'm not generally interested in the hyperbole around Lamar (and I'm a Ravens fan) because people seem to keep putting up barriers for him, he's a running back, can't win with his arm, can't win from behind, can't win in the playoffs, he's been found out... The goalposts keep moving for him and it's pretty shitty to be honest. Herbert is being anointed right now, and he could well continue on and be an excellent quarterback, but you don't hear everyone saying he can't do this and that. The next time the Ravens lose, a bunch of people will come out with "I told you so"s and "he's been found out" again. That's just how it is.
I'm just enjoying watching an excellent player doing wild things. As a Ravens fan that watched Elvis Grbac, Chris Redman, Kyle Boller, Troy Smith, a broken down Steve McNair, Joe Flacco (superbowl run aside) play QB for this team, it's just great fun watching him. Naturally I hope he wins a Superbowl, I hope he wins it every year for the next decade, but it's a tough league with a lot of really good teams and some amazing QBs. So I'm just excited that the Ravens have a crazy fun offense to watch.
Agree 100% and I’m not a Ravens fan. I just think with Lamar, there’s so many people in the media that want him to fail because the more successful he is, the more it proves that they don’t know what they’re talking about.
I think most of the complaints on Lamar in the past are his inconsistencies throwing the ball. I think he’s come on massively in that regard this season. His mechanics look a lot cleaner.
Earlier this year there was a discussion about Lamar and his passing ability and I was very much of the view that his passing ability is underrated. Having said that; outside of Herbert who is a golden child for some reason of the media compared to any of the other young QBs, this makes it sound like some of the criticism levelled at Lamar is unjustified.
I think some of it is unjustified. But I don’t necessarily think it’s irrational. And it’s hard to argue Lamar doesn’t get his credit especially when he has won MVP, which means he is recognised.
I think the view he can’t pass is the one I particularly disagree with.
However, he has thus far struggled in the play offs, for whatever reason. And that’s a criticism that has been levelled on many QBs who’s performances in the post season haven’t matched their regular season performances. So I think that’s fair.
He has historically struggled against the better teams. But he overcame that Kansas bug this year and so I think that one is slowly dissipating.
And anyone who says he is just a running back or can’t win from behind or any of that nonsense isn’t really worth the time, but then, I personally haven’t seen that opinion all that frequently.
I think there were reasons to question him. But over time he’s answering these questions. Doesn’t mean one was wrong to wonder before, but just have been answered.
I've thought the exact opposite this week - people can't stop talking about Lamar's performance but forget that they had like 3 points midway through the 3th quarter. Herbert put up 47 points on the Browns with a very similar statline as Lamar yet I've seen Lamar catapulted to the top of the MVP rankings while Herbert's incredible performance has mainly gone under the radar after the Ravens game.
Maybe that’s just this week. Herbert has been raved about for a while. Lamar typically goes up and down significantly andfrequently.
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Honestly sounds like a great guy.
That’s a great answer, totally ignore Gruden, don’t even mention his name, just shine a light on what really matters.
Class.
As opposed to Carr: ‘I love the man, hate the sin’.
Super super response, that.
I think the comment about realising that there is so much more in common with the people those emails referred to in the emails than not is very resonating. People spend a lot of time talking about the differences between people but actually if you spend a moment to realise how much all people have in common, regardless or race, gender, sexual orientation, or whatever, it’s striking. But yet no one really thinks that way. Which is why I found that trail of thought quite powerful.
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