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UntrueNobody voted for more tax and thats why you have the govt you have. Live with it or vote differently.
UntrueNobody voted for more tax and thats why you have the govt you have. Live with it or vote differently.
But what would people be making this additional contrinution for precisely? If voters want nurses to get a £2,000 pay rise, such should be guaranteed up front. Similarly, we can't re-open closed facilities just because there'll be several billion extra in the coffers. New Labour had larger annual increases to the annual budget yet we still lost thousands of beds across the NHS.The Tories cut income tax, but raised various indirect ones, such as VAT.
I'd pay an extra penny on income tax if that additional money was ring-fenced for the NHS, but it won't be. Plus I'm thankfully at a stage where I can afford it- plenty can't after a decade of stagnant wage growth and spiralling house prices.
Fewer beds were needed. Labour was investing money in social care and putting money into preventative healthcare. The conservatives have gutted social care and more people need to stay in hospitals for prolonged periods. The current situation the NHS faces has been wholly engineered by Jeremy Hunt, David Cameron and George Osborne.New Labour had larger annual increases to the annual budget yet we still lost thousands of beds across the NHS.
It probably was a glib, but well-meant statement on my behalf tbf. I know cash alone won't solve the problem, but it should help stem the cuts. Can't remember if you live in my neck of the woods or not out west, but you wonder if cash could say help prevent the downgrading of Charing Cross Hospital, which the government is trying to do, despite staunch local opposition.But what would people be making this additional contrinution for precisely? If voters want nurses to get a £2,000 pay rise, such should be guaranteed up front. Similarly, we can't re-open closed facilities just because there'll be several billion extra in the coffers. New Labour had larger annual increases to the annual budget yet we still lost thousands of beds across the NHS.
I'm not criticising your willingness to act for the greater good, not at all, however i don't think it's enough to simply ring-fence these funds for the general budget.
The public would also need to understand that cash alone won't solve our problems, although that is a harder sell.
Certainly in part, but not wholly. Demographics keep working against us too.Fewer beds were needed. Labour was investing money in social care and putting money into preventative healthcare. The conservatives have gutted social care and more people need to stay in hospitals for prolonged periods. The current situation the NHS faces has been wholly engineered by Jeremy Hunt, David Cameron and George Osborne.
They knew the demographic pressures.Certainly in part, but not wholly. Demographics keep working against us too.
Well, there is that, true.They knew the demographic pressures.
Fewere A&E units, fewer maternity units, closed convalescent hospitals, but that'ss perfectly justifiable in your book. In their place we have longer journeys for patients and indebted trusts. Between the years of 1997 and 2015 the UK population increased by 7 million, however you advocate a reduction in NHS capacity.Fewer beds were needed. Labour was investing money in social care and putting money into preventative healthcare. The conservatives have gutted social care and more people need to stay in hospitals for prolonged periods. The current situation the NHS faces has been wholly engineered by Jeremy Hunt, David Cameron and George Osborne.
Agree with you on staff retention, particularly with regard to nursing. The easy option is to increase pay, but there are also schemes like the Freedom Pass which could be extended to certain fields. And no, i'm more north than west: we've already had the cuts, albeit after the customry legal challenge. I can understand your position, which is why i think people need to be told what the taxation would be used for.It probably was a glib, but well-meant statement on my behalf tbf. I know cash alone won't solve the problem, but it should help stem the cuts. Can't remember if you live in my neck of the woods or not out west, but you wonder if cash could say help prevent the downgrading of Charing Cross Hospital, which the government is trying to do, despite staunch local opposition.
It won't alone magic loads of qualified nurses out of thin air, I grant you that, but more incentives for people to stay in the profession and new entrants to take the training, could be something.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2015/07/day-case-surgery-good-news-story-nhsFewere A&E units, fewer maternity units, closed convalescent hospitals, but that'ss perfectly justifiable in your book.
In their place we have longer journeys for patients and indebted trusts
This is a gross mischaracterisation.however you advocate a reduction in NHS capacity.
Hmm...I've never justified cuts to the NHS. What the feck are you talking about?
Fewer beds were needed.
If you say so.They knew the demographic pressures.
If you put on your reading glasses on you'd realise we were talking about how conservatives cuts to social care have led to an increased demand for longer hospitalisations. This reversed the trend under Labour.Hmm...
If you say so.
You quoted a post which made no direct reference to that at all. And while social care is indeed in a state, the two concerns are not mutually exclusive. Furthermore, the closure of both A&E units and closure od day hospitals are a factor in the demands being placed on the service.If you put on your reading glasses on you'd realise we were talking about how conservatives cuts to social care have led to an increased demand for longer hospitalisations. This reversed the trend under Labour.
I made a direct reference in the second sentence of my post. The first one wasn't very long either.You quoted a post which made no direct reference to that at all.
Older people need to stay in hospitals longer because there's nowhere else they can be looked after. Thanks to the conservative party. This was not the case under Labour.And while social care is indeed in a state, the two concerns are not mutually exclusive.
Also thanks to the conservative party.Furthermore, the closure of both A&E units and closure od day hospitals are a factor in the demands being placed on the service.
Yes, it is. I'd recommend you visit a big A+E dept to fully assess the scale of this shitstorm.Is it really getting worse? Honestly I've been hearing the same thing since I developed the ability to remember hearing things.
Fully agree. The onus is on people to take care of their health, and the least they can do is remember their appointments. Going to be late or don't need it? Then tell us.They should also charge £10 for every missed appointment. That would cut down waste a lot.
Not good enough. If the appointment was forgettable, then you didn't need it in the first place and you're likely taking up a space for someone more needy.People forget appointments
If you're not prepared to accept that lessons must be learnt from Labour's decisions and pattern of spending, there's not much of a conversation to be had. I disagree with the present Government's record on both as it happens, however the red rosette's actions seem to be beyond reproach here. The party can't live off Bevan's deeds forever, as much as they might like to.I made a direct reference in the second sentence of my post. The first one wasn't very long either.
Older people need to stay in hospitals longer because there's nowhere else they can be looked after. Thanks to the conservative party. This was not the case under Labour.
Also thanks to the conservative party.
If you're going to criticise Labour, choose from the plentiful shitty things they did. Don't list waiting times, which went down under their rule, for example.If you're not prepared to accept that lessons must be learnt from Labour's decisions and pattern of spending, there's not much of a conversation to be had. I disagree with the present Government's record on both as it happens, however the red rosette's actions seem to be beyond reproach here. The party can't live off Bevan's deeds forever, as much as they might like to.
First of all this is a lie. Seriously, its not even an intelligent lie, its just a stupid lie. With sufficient cash, you could have a hospital and extensive medical staff for every town in the country. You could pay huge wages to encourage people into the medical profession, buy the best equipment and construct custom facilities for everything.The public would also need to understand that cash alone won't solve our problems, although that is a harder sell.
I didn't.Don't list waiting times, which went down under their rule, for example.
So i was talking about personal health, preventive medicine, cleaner air, social care policy e.t.c.First of all this is a lie. Seriously, its not even an intelligent lie, its just a stupid lie. With sufficient cash, you could have a hospital and extensive medical staff for every town in the country. You could pay huge wages to encourage people into the medical profession, buy the best equipment and construct custom facilities for everything.
When you actually spend a moment thinking about it, this is obvious.
So why do people keep repeating a very stupid and obvious lie? Simple, because modern conservative parties on both sides of the Atlantic have willingly and knowingly taken up a propaganda technique best described as follows:
"The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, it should be a big lie, and one should stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous."
Why lie? Well if people start to believe that cash doesn't solve the NHS's problems, then they're less likely to want to lynch you when you reduce the stream of that cash, right?
So we have had to listen to years of Tory politicians going on TV repeating the same fecking inane and dishonest mantras: 'Cash alone won't solve all the NHS's problems!', 'It's time to have an adult conversation about the NHS!' blah blah blah. All of it to try and soften people's ironcast support of the National Health Service so the Tories can fundamentally change it. Something they are determined to do despite having absolutely no democratic mandate for.
Please feel free to point out which of those is not solved via cash.So i was talking about personal health, preventive medicine, cleaner air, social care policy e.t.c.
Thanks for such an enlightening and reasonable reply though.
What a bullshit excuse. Whats the problem with professionals being accountable for their actions and mistakes.Many of the Brits in my course here are really reluctant to go back to the UK, after they graduate, because of the lack of protection they get from the NHS and the GMC, and incidents like this one is only making their resolve stronger - https://www.medscape.com/viewarticl...80210_mscpedt_news_mdscp_bawagarba&faf=1#vp_1
Did you even read the article?What a bullshit excuse. Whats the problem with professionals being accountable for their actions and mistakes.
Yes I did.Did you even read the article?
Then how exactly are you holding one person accountable for the failures of an entire medical system?Yes I did.
She was held accountable for her own mistakes leading to the death of a kid.Then how exactly are you holding one person accountable for the failures of an entire medical system?
This kind of thing is becoming normal because the service is so starved of funding. My wife developed an extremely bad chesty cough a few weeks ago. She wasn’t calling the GP and was taking over the counter meds. It was getting worse and worse so I forced her to ring the GP and she was told by the receptionist that they were getting a lot of calls about this and there was a nasty virus going around. It could last anything up to 6 weeks and advice was to call the doctor only if it hadn’t gone away by then. I was absolutely livid and called them immediately next day and said that she had been suffering for about 7 weeks now and she needed to see the GP urgently. She found an appointment for that morning and the GP determined she had an infection and gave her 2 weeks worth of antibiotics. She was probably on her tenth day when she called initially, if she had followed their advice and waited another 30 god knows what that infection ould have developed to.Just had my weekly call with my Parents in the UK. About 3-4 weeks ago my Mum sounded really sick on the phone and I chewed her out for not going to the doctors. She obviously had a server chest infection and needed antibiotics and steroids. Her excuse was the media had been telling people to only go if they were really. She is mid 70s with a history of chest infections so her condition was potentially life threatening. She did go to the doctor a couple of days later and he gave her antibiotics and steroids. She went back for a second lot of steroids.
Today she sounds a lot better but is still not breathing that well. Apparently the doctor wants to send her for a scan however he can't do that on his own. All the doctors in the practice meet once a week and vote on that sort of thing. WTF