So who would you prefer?
Nicolás Otamendi or Sergio Ramos
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Otamendi, mostly because I hate Ramos with a burning, fiery passion as he's a monumental cnut. Also, he's a walking red card.
Never seen Otamendi play or if I did it didn't register. Seen plenty of Ramos, the good the bad and the ugly, I think he's less prone to calamities these days and has matured into a world class centre back so purely on that basis I'll have to pick Ramos even though I feel this little early summer romance was over before it even began.
Otamendi, mainly because I don't see us being able to prise Ramos away until we part with DDG and I would rather keep DDG.
I think if Otamendi was much better on the ball this would be pretty easily settled in his favour.
Cue penis graph II as poll drags on and people realise that Ramos (who I voted for) will not be coming
Ramos but since he won't come probably im fine with Otamendi.
In a perfect situation - both.
In a perfect situation - both.
The first one who signs.
If it's possible that we could get Ramos then it shouldn't even be close.
If people are saying the benefit of Otamendi is that he's a couple of years younger then surely we should be going for Mustafi who's even younger & looked just as good as Otamendi last year. For what it's worth, Mustafi is the player being linked with Real now rather than Otamendi.
Both looked good players last year in much more organised Valencia team but neither are anywhere near Ramos' level.
If people are saying the benefit of Otamendi is that he's a couple of years younger then surely we should be going for Mustafi who's even younger & looked just as good as Otamendi last year. For what it's worth, Mustafi is the player being linked with Real now rather than Otamendi.
Both looked good players last year in much more organised Valencia team but neither are anywhere near Ramos' level.
John Stones.
I've not seen Otamendi play but I've heard so much about him I'd be quite happy to sign either or.
As long as we sign one of them, I genuinely don't care. There are pros and cons with both, and to me they weigh up to 50/50 with which one I would prefer. I do, however, feel that Ramos is unattainable and I Just hope we don't mess about and lose out on Otamendi.
Otamendi seems to be a better foil for Smalling, who I'd expect will be the other starter.
Otamendi no brainer
Ramos' ball playing abilities win this for me. Though I'm happy with either, or both 
Neither of them is really great on the ball tbh or passing our from the back. Smalling did improve this aspect last season but still has some way to go until he fits the ball playing defender role for us.
Im trying convince ramos to come to united.
Woody needs to give me some tips.
Woody needs to give me some tips.
That would be the United signing, and my vote too.
The people picking Otamendi: Is it because you think he's a better player or is it because of other factors such as age, price etc.?
I picked Ramos based on the fact that he is the better player by far and one of the three best center-backs in the world. Don't understand how this is even a debate, let alone how Otamendi is leading.
I picked Ramos based on the fact that he is the better player by far and one of the three best center-backs in the world. Don't understand how this is even a debate, let alone how Otamendi is leading.
Add an option for both. That worked well the last time a player choice thread was created
That's my thinking too, but then most people preferred Schneiderlin to Schweisteiger in that other poll.
There wasn't an option for both in that last poll.Add an option for both. That worked well the last time a player choice thread was created
Interesting. So 50% of the people on this forum either hate Ramos, are massive Otamendi fanboys or just plain thick.
Older, likely to want more wages, likely to cost more, and most importantly a cuntbag i don't want in our team; I have no idea if Otamendi is better or way worse, neither do I care since it's Ramos.
The same would be said for Pepe, Sir Sergio of Busquets & Luis Suarez.
Otamendi just because he can offer more years of service. Ramos is way better player than Otamendi with a doubt but because of the DDG's situation, Madrid wont have Ramos as part of the exchange. Clearly they want full price for him which is no chance due to his age, so negotiations has broken down between the clubs. So Otamendi to me is safer bet because he can offer more years of service, a buyout clause worth 36m which is worth for the experience he has and the years of service he can commit. If by any chance the DDG situation comes up again and does eventually fall through and Madrid do agree the exchange plus money, then Ramos all the way. One thing i dont want is United spending most of the summer chancing these deals, Otamendi just looks more of a straight forward transfer if United meets the buyout clause.
Ramos, price not being a factor.
Ramos, we need a leader and a worldclass defender at the back who is also at his prime
Do we need either one ?
Paddy McNair looked to have great potential when i saw him last year. Smalling is coming into his prime. Jones is solid.
No need to spend for the sake of it. If we've got a spare 30m, I'd rather it went on a striker
Paddy McNair looked to have great potential when i saw him last year. Smalling is coming into his prime. Jones is solid.
No need to spend for the sake of it. If we've got a spare 30m, I'd rather it went on a striker
thats my thoughts as well...
probably a new keeper, a new rightback, a pretty inexperienced left back and one of jones / smalling who although decent defenders are not good communicators who marshal the defence.
That said I wouldnt mind if all the Hummles stuff resurfaced as I think he would do a cracking job as well
But any of those three would improve our defence a lot (albeit in slightly different ways)
Both would be nice, and the way this summer is panning out I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what happens. Otamendi would be my logical long-term choice, but Ramos will probably bring the greatest instant bang-for-buck and I think that is what LVG will be looking for primarily, if only because of the length of his own contract. Woody will no doubt drop both at LVG's feet like an awesome gun dog.
Where's your white text man for god's sake.
McNair - Too Young, Needs time
Jones - Cannot see things before they happen. Far too many last ditch attempts and hasn't been able to provide real security.
Smalling - He's turning into a really top defender.
Now what we need is an immediate injection of proven, top level talent. We can't possibly challenge on all fronts with one half of the defence still in development.
Let's get in Ramos or Otamendi. These guys have faced the very, very best and come away with their reputation intact. Otamendi is where Smalling is at, at the cusp of achieving real prominence in defence. Ramos has seen it all and done it all. We ain't getting him, but you cannot deny the man's achievements and the fact that he's been picked ahead of his team mates in every team he's played in and under every manager.
Ramos is older, would cost more, a bigger cnut and a walking red card. He's one of two players in world football that I would never ever want to see at United.
Thankfully it looks like he's staying at Madrid.
Otamendi. Apart from his footballing abilities, i think with Angel ( if he stays) and Rojo being somewhat new, another Arg would be helpful in them settling in better
Ramos by a distance, for me.
Cool, seems like the hatred for Ramos is the reason why Otamendi is winning. At least that makes more sense than people voting for him for footballing reasons.
I had no idea so many people considered Ramos an idiot.
Well, the fact he has more red cards to his name than the rest of the professional players of the world combined* is a pretty good footballing reason.
*I may have exaggerated slightly.
There's no doubt he has had too many red cards during his career but he's cut a lot of that rashness out of his game. No sending-offs this season.
But I'm getting confused again now, do you believe Otamendi to be the better player?
Another reason to prefer Ramos, I'm not sure if we've ever had an Argie that worked out well...
Rooney, England captain.
Schweinsteiger, Germany captain.
Ramos, Spain captain.
A leader and seasoned warrior in attack, midfield and defense.
That's how you fast-track a team that barely made top 4 to the absolute top! These guys will drag their teammates kicking and screaming up to their level
Schweinsteiger, Germany captain.
Ramos, Spain captain.
A leader and seasoned warrior in attack, midfield and defense.
That's how you fast-track a team that barely made top 4 to the absolute top! These guys will drag their teammates kicking and screaming up to their level
No, not least because I saw Otamendi play like twice so can't really judge him.
But I hate Ramos and there's at least one footballing reason to justify my dislike, that being the amount of red cards he managed to collect during his career.
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