Come back Nicky, I beg you.
Nicola Sturgeon and Scottish Independence
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It's a sad state of affairs that we've got this clown in charge now.Congratulations SNPon electing Humza “where are all the men?” Yousaf.
Just a damning indictment on the calibre of SNP politicians. Clown leading a clownshow.
Even though some 50k revoked their SNP membership since 2019, he still only got 52% of the membership vote. Fair guess that had those members stayed in the party he would have been trounced.
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I had an argument (not a sky sports style ‘heated’ one though thankfully), with a SNP supporting friend that the party are essentially a coalition of independence supporters with a wide range of different views on domestic policies. He argued that’s not true and that there is a fixed centre left alignment, but I don’t buy that at all, especially when looking at their record in office in Holyrood.
If they did achieve their dream of independence (though that seems even further away to me now that it was when the 2019 and 2021 general and Scottish election results came in), it’s clear to me that the party would disband / split according to political views.
BTW I agree that Humza Yousaf is absolutely hopeless and has failed across the board during his career.
If they did achieve their dream of independence (though that seems even further away to me now that it was when the 2019 and 2021 general and Scottish election results came in), it’s clear to me that the party would disband / split according to political views.
BTW I agree that Humza Yousaf is absolutely hopeless and has failed across the board during his career.
Left leaning SNP voters are usually deluded about their parties identity. 48% of members voting for a conservative christian candidate wont snap them back to reality either.
More Vote Leave than Greenpeace.
Agreed. Some of the people I spoke to who said they supported independence, mainly talked about their dislike of the Tory / Tory-led Westminster governments since 2010 (which many of us can agree on) - that's enough for them to support indpendence when Indy Ref 2 isn't even on the horizon, but I doubt it would be if they were actually faced with making the import voting decision.
I personally think that the EU referendum result, coupled with the fact that more people voted to remain than leave in every single counting area in Scotland, was a material change in circumstances since 2014 (I don't see how it wouldn't be) to justify Indy Ref 2. However in the unlikely event that Indy Ref 2 happens, I would expect 'No' to win again. Certainly Labour wouldn't repeat their castastrophic decision to share a platform with the Tories like they did in 2014.
For me the vote for independence seemed necessary after the Brexit vote. The main purpose for me was to remove the shackles of a Westminster government that have zero interest in anything going on outside of their postcode. Brexit just confirmed it after their Indyref "Better Together" bullshit and how media outlets such as the BBC suddenly started giving a shit about Scottish news and opinions for all of five seconds. It was like an absent parent trying to make amends by going overboard for a few days before reverting to type. That "type" now being leaving the EU after Scotland collectively voted against it, and the news went back to its normal London-centric self.
Anyway, the SNP failed to make a case because they have nothing but empty rhetoric. My Facebook feed is, to this day, still filled with shitty IndyRef 2.0 posts such as "Scottish Tax Revenue = £20Bn, Scotland Gets Back £10Bn from England. INDEPENDENCE NOW #IndyRef2 #MelGibson" because apparently it still resonates with some people. It's like Brexit if the idiots were on the side that fundamentally wanted to vote for a good thing.
I can look at some of the things that are good about Scotland today; free prescriptions, free university education, free public transport in certain local authorities. At least my taxes aren't just going in some rich donor's pockets. But that isn't something that only the SNP could exclusively deliver.
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Listening to the BBC news this morning...it's all "first minority devolved leader, sunak in no10, look how forward thinking and liberal we are". Nothing about how objectively shite Humza has been, nothing about politics.
What's going on?!
What's going on?!
I am very much on the outside looking in, but if I were Scottish, I'd wish to go independent as it seems clear to me that the current system is not properly representative for the Scottish electorate and will always be a second rate priority to the whims of English concerns. Exemplified by brexit, but it is endemic to the setup.
What are all these tweets I'm seeing about an Indian and a Pakistani in charge of separation of the UK. Rule and then divide.
What are all these tweets I'm seeing about an Indian and a Pakistani in charge of separation of the UK. Rule and then divide.
the non-empire strikes back.
At least Sunak has some sort of Calibre to lead, Scotland does have a much smaller population so I guess the talent pool is also smaller.
Do the Scottish in here want independence? It seems that most of Scotland doesn’t they voted no, why does the conversation persist, doesn’t Scotland get more budget than they would if they left?
Do the Scottish in here want independence? It seems that most of Scotland doesn’t they voted no, why does the conversation persist, doesn’t Scotland get more budget than they would if they left?
Found the little Englander
Vocal minorities always shout the loudest.
In October and November last year the Truss thing was going full pelt. There was a spike in those who though Brexit was a disaster, in support for Labour over the Cons, and in Scottish independence sentiment. Rishi has brought some measure of stability, but its only a holding position, not a reversal. The new SNP leader too seems like oil on the waters, the establishment guy (of the SNP). Not the one, it seems to me, to get to the next level. But a solid pair of hands for the waiting years. Sinn Féin in a similar place in the North of Ireland.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65187823
Sturgeon's husband arrested in SNP finance probe
So that's why she resigned!
Sturgeon's husband arrested in SNP finance probe
So that's why she resigned!
Not the most surprising. She clearly knew something was up when she resigned out the blue.
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Quelle surprise.
Just another reminder that no matter who you align with, they’re all corrupt as feck.
That’s one hell of a police presence for financial / funding crimes. Looks like it’s been cordoned off for forensics.
Maybe he buried those missing 60k party members in his back garden.
So...what did she know, and when did she know it?
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Summat fishy about that
Have we finally found 'H'? 
My wife used to work in that building
this is the kind of thing that happens when you idolise false prophets. boris would never have done the scots this dirty.
Liberal my arse. They're a shower of cnuts in the SNP, but the thickos will continue to vote for them. Embarrassing.
So why has Michelle Mone been allowed to walk away with £133m? I presume her arrest is soon to come?
Ahh so this is why Sturgeon resigned..
Classic
Classic
No no it was because of the lesbian tryst accusations and burnout from championing scotland so damn much.
Apparently the police have started to dig up the garden. This might be about to turn real sinister.
It does seem properly weird that a white collar fraud investigation would need police tents and barricades around the suspects house.
Indeed. Must have good reason to believe evidence has been buried..
Intriguing
Absolutely. Although, that statement comes with the heavy caveat that I know feck all about such matters.
Police are generally Tory wankers, they’re going to milk every bit of this.
Even in Scotland?
They’re still police