Nigel Farage - Reform leader

Reform have been getting this coverage since before they were even close to the Lib Dems or Greens. For a couple of years they have often been seen as the alternative to the Tories or Labour. Whenever Farage farted it was on the 10 o'clock news.

If anything I'm surprised they're not polling higher based on the level of favourable coverage they've received. Labour trip up and it's decried as a massive scandal, Labour have a scandal and it's treated like the press didn't just spend the Boris years covering up for his mistakes. And yet Reform aren't even a political party and nobody even raises it as a concern.
I think it's purely because it's a vehicle for Nigel Farage, who has for years been a renowned political personality. If in some parallel universe he'd joined the Greens, they'd be getting the same publicity. He had brand recognition, basically. Rupert Lowe has just done the same thing and invented a party out of thin air, but despite being famous he won't get anywhere near the coverage because he isn't popular.
 
Guys it doesn’t work like that. Farage obviously has backers with big pockets that like seeing him on air pushing their narratives
A decent amount of big Tory backers I assume now back Reform with all the switches of allegiance. Also some of the other parties, Lib Dems being one, have actively avoided press and tv, like question time, their own radio slates them for it. I do get it, if I were an MP for Labour I would not be anywhere near anything televised right now as I'd spend the whole time being asked about Starmer/Mandelson/Epstein & it seems like half the well known Tories have defected. Reform just say yes to everything and are everywhere, though I do feel it's backfiring a bit as people seem a bit fatigued by it all and their wave of poll increases seems to have plateaued a bit.
 
Yes, labour famously supports giving labourers less rights. That's why they're called "Labour".

voters are smrt.
 
double shifts ?


Your giving reform voters far too much credit saying they know policy.



I've had a conversation like this, that lasted about two minutes and the guy changed his mind on who to vote for based on one thing I said about policy.

It's infuriating that people don't seem to connect the dots that who they vote for will matter a lot to their lives, and so don't invest the bare minimum of effort in looking stuff up. It's mostly just about who they like the best.

Also annoying is the fact that if all of these people in the video go have another 2 minute conversation with a facist they'll be back to voting Farage again! It's that easy to sway most people. They might as well flip a coin and vote because they haven't put any thought into it at all.

Is it like this in every country or is it especially bad in the UK?
 
I've had a conversation like this, that lasted about two minutes and the guy changed his mind on who to vote for based on one thing I said about policy.

It's infuriating that people don't seem to connect the dots that who they vote for will matter a lot to their lives, and so don't invest the bare minimum of effort in looking stuff up. It's mostly just about who they like the best.

Also annoying is the fact that if all of these people in the video go have another 2 minute conversation with a facist they'll be back to voting Farage again! It's that easy to sway most people. They might as well flip a coin and vote because they haven't put any thought into it at all.

Is it like this in every country or is it especially bad in the UK?
The person who said 'who am I supposed to vote for then?' raises a valid point about the lack of options. The arguments about policy, or lack thereof, miss that desire for change.

Much as I like my local MP, I can't say I'm bothered now that I messed up and wasn't able to vote in the last election, given how this government has turned out.
 
The person who said 'who am I supposed to vote for then?' raises a valid point about the lack of options. The arguments about policy, or lack thereof, miss that desire for change.

Much as I like my local MP, I can't say I'm bothered now that I messed up and wasn't able to vote in the last election, given how this government has turned out.

Yeah, there's absolutely been a failure of the state to engage people with politics and the letdowns of new Labour certainly haven't helped.
 
I really hope that the uk don’t use the election as a way to strike back at government. That happened during Brexit and look what happened.

As bad as the government may be, people need to realize they Reform will be worse than they could ever imagine to be. You’re only hearing some of their ideas now. Imagine what you hear them come up with if they get into power. Every idea that Trump had will he copied. They will reduce your rights to nothing. You won’t be able to complain. They will introduce some kind of ICE program. People will be discriminated against like nothing else. They will rob your pension and savings through taxes etc. this money will go back into their rich friends, not the people. They will sell the NHS off. People will get left behind not being able to afford private healthcare. Once that’s done it’s done, no other succeeding government will be able to reverse it. People like Farage and Tommeh will have free rein to say what they want or more importantly say what their backers in Isreal and Russia want.

Look at the makeup of his cabinet. It’s the extreme version of the failed Tory party.

Vote tactically if you need to. Do not give Reform your vote.
 
Praying that the new even further right wing party restore Britain splits the vote so the greens can sneak in
 
I really hope that the uk don’t use the election as a way to strike back at government. That happened during Brexit and look what happened.

As bad as the government may be, people need to realize they Reform will be worse than they could ever imagine to be. You’re only hearing some of their ideas now. Imagine what you hear them come up with if they get into power. Every idea that Trump had will he copied. They will reduce your rights to nothing. You won’t be able to complain. They will introduce some kind of ICE program. People will be discriminated against like nothing else. They will rob your pension and savings through taxes etc. this money will go back into their rich friends, not the people. They will sell the NHS off. People will get left behind not being able to afford private healthcare. Once that’s done it’s done, no other succeeding government will be able to reverse it. People like Farage and Tommeh will have free rein to say what they want or more importantly say what their backers in Isreal and Russia want.

Look at the makeup of his cabinet. It’s the extreme version of the failed Tory party.

Vote tactically if you need to. Do not give Reform your vote.
I'm hopeful that the decline of of the main parties and their splintering will be a good thing in terms of providing other right wing options, and eventually split the vote. I can't really think of a time when it wasn't just the Tories as the only serious right wing option (BNP had their 15 minutes but were too racist to be taken seriously by most), whereas now you've got the tories, reform, advance UK, restore Britain all competing for disgruntled right wingers who want to their country back etc. previously all of those votes would be going in the Tories box.
 
Praying that the new even further right wing party restore Britain splits the vote so the greens can sneak in
Couldn't agree more. As I said above, it should even things up finally and make the Tories less of a behemoth.
 
For what it's worth, I live in an area that's being run by a Green (Ellie Chowns) and it feels like we're being run by an actual principled adult.
 
For what it's worth, I live in an area that's being run by a Green (Ellie Chowns) and it feels like we're being run by an actual principled adult.
I'm, the same, we have Carla Denyer as well as a green led council and while there's normal arguments over traffic, congestion charging and road changes etc everything seems very smooth and grown up.
 
Praying that the new even further right wing party restore Britain splits the vote so the greens can sneak in
Was hoping Reform would do the same to the right wing vote, but we're now in a situation where they've not only gutted the Tory party, but look set to leapfrog Labour. They've been a little too "successful" for my liking.

While Reform and its policies are disgusting, Restore Britain looks 10x worse. It's flagrantly racist.
 
Was hoping Reform would do the same to the right wing vote, but we're now in a situation where they've not only gutted the Tory party, but look set to leapfrog Labour. They've been a little too "successful" for my liking.

While Reform and its policies are disgusting, Restore Britain looks 10x worse. It's flagrantly racist.
I agree I hate both of the parties, however the only way they aren't getting in to power at the next election is if they steal votes from each other, is my personal opinion.

Admittedly I work in a very male orientated field, and people are very money orientated, but all I hear on a day to day basis is about how Reform will save the country :rolleyes:

My only hope is the closet racists and full blown racists screw each other over and the greens can capture a lot of the left leaning vote now that Labour have completely screwed themselves.
 
Was hoping Reform would do the same to the right wing vote, but we're now in a situation where they've not only gutted the Tory party, but look set to leapfrog Labour. They've been a little too "successful" for my liking.

While Reform and its policies are disgusting, Restore Britain looks 10x worse. It's flagrantly racist.
This party terrifies me.

Not because I think they will win, but people will look at them and say "see, Reform aren't that bad".
 
This party terrifies me.

Not because I think they will win, but people will look at them and say "see, Reform aren't that bad".
The overton window has shifted so far to the right, the Tories are starting to look progressive by comparison.

Heck Cameron's Tories are probably more empathetic and definitely less bigoted than Starmer's Labour.
 
I really hope that the uk don’t use the election as a way to strike back at government. That happened during Brexit and look what happened.

As bad as the government may be, people need to realize they Reform will be worse than they could ever imagine to be. You’re only hearing some of their ideas now. Imagine what you hear them come up with if they get into power. Every idea that Trump had will he copied. They will reduce your rights to nothing. You won’t be able to complain. They will introduce some kind of ICE program. People will be discriminated against like nothing else. They will rob your pension and savings through taxes etc. this money will go back into their rich friends, not the people. They will sell the NHS off. People will get left behind not being able to afford private healthcare. Once that’s done it’s done, no other succeeding government will be able to reverse it. People like Farage and Tommeh will have free rein to say what they want or more importantly say what their backers in Isreal and Russia want.

Look at the makeup of his cabinet. It’s the extreme version of the failed Tory party.

Vote tactically if you need to. Do not give Reform your vote.
I don't think it's about striking back, it's about desperation for an alternative. Lib Dems have really messed up, maybe it's still scar tissue from Clegg's rise/fall but they should really be the ones in poll position now.
 
I don't think it's about striking back, it's about desperation for an alternative. Lib Dems have really messed up, maybe it's still scar tissue from Clegg's rise/fall but they should really be the ones in poll position now.
These kind of excuses about disenfranchisement and voting for an alternative just aint going to wash for people voting Reform or Restore. Farage is an establishment politican, not someone new who has just appeared. Brexit was his thing which has been a disaster. There are plenty of alternatives which people could vote for but they choose to vote for a party which is xenophobic and racist. Reform's don't have any proper costed policies, just hot air about repealing this and deporting that. People who are voting for Reform know exactly what they are doing, they know what they are voting for and they like it, that's what they want. How can any sane person look at the Council's Reform have ran and say 'we want some of that'.
 
Not taken long for Reform to have their first disputes on policy. Jenrick: 'we're keeping the triple lock', but Farage saying it's 'open for debate' five minutes later.

Also telling that Farage's agenda is pushed around by the right wing press as much anyone else's. On Reform's U-turn on the two child cap.

'What I wanted is the two-child cap lifted for working British families and for my efforts I got branded by the Tory press as being a ‘socialist’. It backfired. It didn’t work.

'Any attempt to do anything that is pro-family seems to be very, very difficult to do. And anyway it was only going to cost a tiny amount of money compared to the upwards of £3bn that this Labour Party has changed [by lifting the cap entirely]. So look, I accept it, it’s fine.'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ecomm_id=dfad6a9a-c5ef-4c70-8ace-3c69723a4852
 
Reform pledge to scrap the Equality Act.
Yep Farage talked about this a week ago. That, along with withdrawing from the ECHR (which only Russia & Belarus are not members off, says it all) will set a very dangerous time for the public and especially workers. They will lose or shorten any rights that stop them being more productive (eg maternity leave), nothing then to stop them firing pregnant women, the rights of gay people, trans people, black people, Irish people etc will all be impinged upon. Back to the good old days of “no blacks, no Irish, no dogs”, any excuse at all to shit on the poor man will be taken
 
Nothing ever change, oh no
Nothing ever change

I'm just living in a life without meaning
I walk and walk, do nothing
I'm just living in a life without feeling
I talk and talk, say nothing



Robert Jenrick texted a copy of his speech on the economy to George Osborne after he gave it yesterday, the former chancellor reveals.

Reform’s new Treasury spokesperson said he hopes Osborne will “approve” of it. Jenrick wrote in full: “George, trust your well. Here’s a copy of a speech I gave today on the economy
“It commits to the OBR and to fiscal responsibility, which I hope you will approve of.”

Osborne responded on his podcast: “I say yes, I do. Although I’m not sure I approve of much else in the Reform programme.”
 
Yep Farage talked about this a week ago. That, along with withdrawing from the ECHR (which only Russia & Belarus are not members off, says it all) will set a very dangerous time for the public and especially workers. They will lose or shorten any rights that stop them being more productive (eg maternity leave), nothing then to stop them firing pregnant women, the rights of gay people, trans people, black people, Irish people etc will all be impinged upon. Back to the good old days of “no blacks, no Irish, no dogs”, any excuse at all to shit on the poor man will be taken
This is one of the main things Brexit has always been about, minimizing employer's rights towards employees.
 
Farage and Reform are awful. They can only be leading in the polls because the majority of voters are idiots.
 
The anywhere but Clacton tour continues. This Cnut is trying to get near a military base so he can have a photo op about being rejected. There’s me thinking he’s a fan of border control.


 
The anywhere but Clacton tour continues. This Cnut is trying to get near a military base so he can have a photo op about being rejected. There’s me thinking he’s a fan of border control.



This is going to be near heretical for me, but he has given air time to Chagossians on GB News allowing them to explain how badly the UK government has treated them, and to discuss their dispossession.

He is completely doing it for the wrong reasons, mind, but I'll take the positives where I can.
 
This is going to be near heretical for me, but he has given air time to Chagossians on GB News allowing them to explain how badly the UK government has treated them, and to discuss their dispossession.

He is completely doing it for the wrong reasons, mind, but I'll take the positives where I can.
Yeah, you have to separate the “who” from the “what”…

He’s a moron but any focus on what’s happening to the Chagossians and the deal we’re trying to strike (why, did people lie to Parliament, who’s actually benefitting, etc) is important.
 
Honestly at this point we need to look past getting angry at people like him.

The Farage, Tommy ten names and Lowes of this world can't do what they do without enablers.

If either of them get into number 10 in a few years, they wouldn't have given themselves the majority/most votes.