Nigel Farage - Reform leader

There was no national election. There was a series of local elections you fecking facist Cnut.

Also this Cnut has fecking slandered everyone else and lies through his teeth every day.

 
Well Farage had his own show on LBC a while back

It will be interesting to see when the media choose the drop the kid glove treatment and start attacking Farage in a similar way to Polanski
They used to. I think they just misjudged how badly a large bulk of people wanted an alternative to the established parties. Since then they have increased their funding, got more media on side and should get the most coverage now given their size. They're not unlike City 115 in a way - lie about stuff long enough to benefit from the lie, by the time people realise a lot of what they were told were lies you are a major player in the game and can bully others financially.
 
There was no national election. There was a series of local elections you fecking facist Cnut.

Also this Cnut has fecking slandered everyone else and lies through his teeth every day.


Well said.
Which national election was that then Nigel. There were no elections in the area that I live in. Not even council elections.
 
There was no national election. There was a series of local elections you fecking facist Cnut.

Also this Cnut has fecking slandered everyone else and lies through his teeth every day.


There's a long tradition of not applying defamation laws to political speech, especially during elections. Good to see Nigel is going to ignore that rule.
 

Farage to be investigated by Commons standards watchdog over claim he broke rules by not declaring £5m gift​

Nigel Farage will be investigated by the Commons standards watchdog over the revelation that he did not disclose a £5m donation from the crypt billionaire Christopher Harborne that he received shortly before the 2024 election, the BBC is reporting.

BREAKING from @ChrisMasonBBC

The BBC understands that the Parliamentary Standards Commissioner has decided to begin an inquiry into whether the Reform leader Nigel Farage has breached the House of Commons Code of Conduct over accepting a £5m gift and not declaring it
 
Reform UK claims that Nigel Farage was under no obligation to declare the donation because it was a personal gift intended to pay for his security. It was not related to his subsequent work as an MP, the party says.

Although there is an exemption for gifts that are purely personal, the House of Commons rules say that gifts should be registered if people might reasonably assume there could be a political motive behind them. The relevant section says MPs do not have to register:

Benefits which could not reasonably be thought by others to be related to membership of the house or to the member’s parliamentary or political activities; for example, purely personal gifts or benefits from partners or family members. However, both the possible motive of the giver and the use to which the gift is to be put should be considered. If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered.
Harborne has said the gift was just personal. He told the Telegraph: “I wasn’t expecting anything in return apart from ensuring [Farage’s] safety.”

But, given that Harborne donated £10m to the Brexit party before the 2019 election, and £12m to Reform UK (the new name for the Brexit party) in 2025, it is not particularly surprising that the parliamentary commissioner for standards, Daniel Greenberg, has decided that this is matter that merits a proper investigation.

In a story for the Observer at the weekend, Catherine Neilan quoted experts saying that, if an inquiry finds Farage has broken the rules, the punishment could be quite serious. She said:

A senior official who was also involved in the partygate investigation added: “It’s hard to see how they wouldn’t investigate and impose a sanction.

“[Farage] is saying it’s about security. Well, if that is true, it’s in part because he’s an MP… But setting aside his own rationale, such a donation for any MP should be disclosed.

“In my view, it is impossible to say there isn’t at least a perception of a conflict or obligation created.”

Another source added: “If Farage received this in the year before he was elected, then it should have been declared, no doubt about it.

“My forecast would be that Farage will receive a lengthy suspension, which could trigger a byelection, but that he would relish this and storm back to victory because the good burghers of Clacton would think that he was being clobbered by the establishment.”
In the US Donald Trump faced multiple prosecutions ahead of the 2024 presidential election, and he was found guilty of falsification of business records in a hush-money case.

But the criminal proceedings had little or no impact on Trump’s popularity because he successfully persuaded his supporters that the investigations were evidence he was being persecuted by the establishment because he was standing up for ordinary people.

It is not hard to imagine Farage trying a similar ploy in a Clacton byelection.
 
Reform UK claims that Nigel Farage was under no obligation to declare the donation because it was a personal gift intended to pay for his security. It was not related to his subsequent work as an MP, the party says.

Although there is an exemption for gifts that are purely personal, the House of Commons rules say that gifts should be registered if people might reasonably assume there could be a political motive behind them. The relevant section says MPs do not have to register:


Harborne has said the gift was just personal. He told the Telegraph: “I wasn’t expecting anything in return apart from ensuring [Farage’s] safety.”

But, given that Harborne donated £10m to the Brexit party before the 2019 election, and £12m to Reform UK (the new name for the Brexit party) in 2025, it is not particularly surprising that the parliamentary commissioner for standards, Daniel Greenberg, has decided that this is matter that merits a proper investigation.

In a story for the Observer at the weekend, Catherine Neilan quoted experts saying that, if an inquiry finds Farage has broken the rules, the punishment could be quite serious. She said:


In the US Donald Trump faced multiple prosecutions ahead of the 2024 presidential election, and he was found guilty of falsification of business records in a hush-money case.

But the criminal proceedings had little or no impact on Trump’s popularity because he successfully persuaded his supporters that the investigations were evidence he was being persecuted by the establishment because he was standing up for ordinary people.

It is not hard to imagine Farage trying a similar ploy in a Clacton byelection.
Surely there should just be a blanket rule for being in politics that you declare any/all gifts? I have no doubt Farage needs some kind of security, though I am unsure he needs £5m worth of it - unless he starts travelling around in a tank or something. I feel like we all know how this game works - donations are never free from billionaires whether they like the left or right, as they expect decisions to be made that are favourable with their own view on the world.
 
The more worrying thing for me here, other than it wasn't picked up before the election is, I wonder how many who voted knew about this and it was the reason they voted?

Also, how many others of these are we going to see coming out of the closests of Reform and Restore?

 
It's going to be hard to keep up with the amount of resignations, suspensions and criminal charges for the newly elected Reform councillors.

I've counted 5 so far. It's probably be more

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c152ned1dl5o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j2wexpy03o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0pd27kzgzo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgp420e5z0o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v3r1lr07ro

I was thinking the same too.

Here's another one (possibly)

 
Why are all of these articles coming out after the election?
 
He'll be found in breach, they'll have a bye election after a recall petition and the feckers will vote for him again and he'll come out smelling of roses.

Yep. He'll probably win by a bigger margin and the simpletons in this country will feel like there's a witch hunt against him.
 
Decent summary here of some of the stuff the British media does its best to ignore.

 
Yep. He'll probably win by a bigger margin and the simpletons in this country will feel like there's a witch hunt against him.
Pretty much.

Labour or Green Party member does dodgy dealing - "Omg they're all the same. Corrupt bastards. Hang them from their bumcheeks."

Farage does dodgy dealing - "Left wing witch hunt the media are all woke".
 
Can someone just give you £5m in the UK?

Do you not need to pay tax on that?
 
Can someone just give you £5m in the UK?

Do you not need to pay tax on that?

I think in theory if it's a personal gift and doesn't look like either an employee or a business relationship then yes they can. However I believe you'd be liable for some inheritance or capital gains tax or something were they to die within 7 years. I don't know for sure if there is some sort of limit on gifts though, you'd think £5m would hit it if so! I suppose you could also query whether it looks like a business relationship but then donations in politics can probably be argued away fairly easily I would have thought.
 
Pretty much.

Labour or Green Party member does dodgy dealing - "Omg they're all the same. Corrupt bastards. Hang them from their bumcheeks."

Farage does dodgy dealing - "Left wing witch hunt the media are all woke".

The scary thing is I don't know how you defeat it.

I play football with a bunch of lads that love Farage and are all voting Reform. There's nothing I, or any of the left leaning lads can say that will change it.

A bit like the Brexit vote I think Reform will win the next election, and win with the biggest landslide of any party in recent history.

When you look at the state of the candidates that Reform put up, its a genuinely terrifying prospect.
 
The scary thing is I don't know how you defeat it.

I play football with a bunch of lads that love Farage and are all voting Reform. There's nothing I, or any of the left leaning lads can say that will change it.

A bit like the Brexit vote I think Reform will win the next election, and win with the biggest landslide of any party in recent history.

When you look at the state of the candidates that Reform put up, its a genuinely terrifying prospect.
1) Scottish Independence
2) Eat tins of baked beans for a few years due to a financial deficit but at least we're not like those folk down South wearing brown shirts and eating chlorinated chicken.
3) Open borders and let in anyone from England who isn't an arsehole in.

That's the only solution I can think of right now.
 
The scary thing is I don't know how you defeat it.

I play football with a bunch of lads that love Farage and are all voting Reform. There's nothing I, or any of the left leaning lads can say that will change it.

A bit like the Brexit vote I think Reform will win the next election, and win with the biggest landslide of any party in recent history.

When you look at the state of the candidates that Reform put up, its a genuinely terrifying prospect.
Well said
 
It's going to be hard to keep up with the amount of resignations, suspensions and criminal charges for the newly elected Reform councillors.

I've counted 5 so far. It's probably be more

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c152ned1dl5o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1j2wexpy03o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0pd27kzgzo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgp420e5z0o

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v3r1lr07ro
In all honesty, I very much doubt that a large proportion of the people who voted for a reform candidate knew anything about who they were voting for. They just saw they were from reform and voted on that basis
 
In all honesty, I very much doubt that a large proportion of the people who voted for a reform candidate knew anything about who they were voting for. They just saw they were from reform and voted on that basis
Spot on!
It's the same disillusion with politics as drove the Brexit decision, it hasn't gone away.

One of my neighbours is a rabid Reform supporter, sticker in window, on car, everywhere.... the only way he will not vote for Farage is if I can convince him Farage is a secret Man City fan!!!..... I am not joking!

The guy is in his early sixties, for the first thirty years of his working life after serving an apprenticeship in Fabrication (mainly heavy stuff (plating), but some sheet -metal bashing), he found work in two companies one local, the second 30 miles away. Then at the age of 45 he was made redundant, three time in 3 years... then when he could not find a job in his trade, he was persuaded to retrain as a pastry chef, (his personal interest was baking). Again his employment was intermittent, he then tried to start his own business, (suspect he had no real idea of business) and had to declare bankruptcy.
Always voted Labour, but got disheartened when JC took over " always on about other bu**ers problems abroad, not ours" was his favourite saying; has since voted Tory once, UKIP once... went back to Labour briefly then after Brexit he became a big, big, fan of Farage..."I understand him" is his main political statement!

I don't share his current politics, only his support for United... but if I want a cake making for my wife's 80th birthday I know where to go. Most of our political operators don't know how to talk to guy's like him... Farage does!!!
 
Why are all of these articles coming out after the election?
It's quite clever and a repeat tactic.

If the journos/activists expose the prospective councillors/MPs before the selection deadline, then Reform can swiftly withdraw the nomination and nominate somebody else.

By exposing them after the deadline and in the weeks leading up to the election, Reform are unable to take the nominee off the ballot paper, the party get their name dragged through the mud and if the nominee is still elected, are likely to perform an "internal investigation" and sack them soon after.
 
It's quite clever and a repeat tactic.

If the journos/activists expose the prospective councillors/MPs before the selection deadline, then Reform can swiftly withdraw the nomination and nominate somebody else.

By exposing them after the deadline and in the weeks leading up to the election, Reform are unable to take the nominee off the ballot paper, the party get their name dragged through the mud and if the nominee is still elected, are likely to perform an "internal investigation" and sack them soon after.

Exactly this.

Also, it's not just politicians they do this too. I remember years ago one of the editors and top journalists of The News of The World & The Sun came out and said how they often have stories on famous and important people saved up. They get to a point where they have enough or something so big happens they can't keep it to themselves and then they drop them all over a course of a few weeks to keep the interest (and public hate and distrust) up to sell more papers and to inflict maximum damage/embarrassment on the person in the frame at the time.

The most obvious people they used this tactic with that I can think of were David Beckham, Gordon Ramsey and Max Clifford.

They definitely have been saving stuff on Nige and i'm guessing a lot more is going to come out on him soon. Although, the slow drip feed doesn't seem to be working as much now as so far he seems to be the British version of Trump where things don't stick, nobody seems to care, or he can ride it out and change the narrative.
 
Spot on!
It's the same disillusion with politics as drove the Brexit decision, it hasn't gone away.

One of my neighbours is a rabid Reform supporter, sticker in window, on car, everywhere.... the only way he will not vote for Farage is if I can convince him Farage is a secret Man City fan!!!..... I am not joking!

The guy is in his early sixties, for the first thirty years of his working life after serving an apprenticeship in Fabrication (mainly heavy stuff (plating), but some sheet -metal bashing), he found work in two companies one local, the second 30 miles away. Then at the age of 45 he was made redundant, three time in 3 years... then when he could not find a job in his trade, he was persuaded to retrain as a pastry chef, (his personal interest was baking). Again his employment was intermittent, he then tried to start his own business, (suspect he had no real idea of business) and had to declare bankruptcy.
Always voted Labour, but got disheartened when JC took over " always on about other bu**ers problems abroad, not ours" was his favourite saying; has since voted Tory once, UKIP once... went back to Labour briefly then after Brexit he became a big, big, fan of Farage..."I understand him" is his main political statement!

I don't share his current politics, only his support for United... but if I want a cake making for my wife's 80th birthday I know where to go. Most of our political operators don't know how to talk to guy's like him... Farage does!!!
That is interesting.
Proper communication is so important nowadays. And as we appreciate Starmer is better on strategy and organising. But not good on communication.
I do accept that Farage is better able to cut through the fog and keep things simple. And this can only work for a single policy.
But I have to ask, is that really the criteria we should use to elect a PM.
Opposition to easy, as Labour know well.
Government is almost impossible, especially in the current climate.
And despite all the good things Labour has been doing, it counts for nothing if people just don't like you.
 
Spot on!
It's the same disillusion with politics as drove the Brexit decision, it hasn't gone away.

One of my neighbours is a rabid Reform supporter, sticker in window, on car, everywhere.... the only way he will not vote for Farage is if I can convince him Farage is a secret Man City fan!!!..... I am not joking!

The guy is in his early sixties, for the first thirty years of his working life after serving an apprenticeship in Fabrication (mainly heavy stuff (plating), but some sheet -metal bashing), he found work in two companies one local, the second 30 miles away. Then at the age of 45 he was made redundant, three time in 3 years... then when he could not find a job in his trade, he was persuaded to retrain as a pastry chef, (his personal interest was baking). Again his employment was intermittent, he then tried to start his own business, (suspect he had no real idea of business) and had to declare bankruptcy.
Always voted Labour, but got disheartened when JC took over " always on about other bu**ers problems abroad, not ours" was his favourite saying; has since voted Tory once, UKIP once... went back to Labour briefly then after Brexit he became a big, big, fan of Farage..."I understand him" is his main political statement!

I don't share his current politics, only his support for United... but if I want a cake making for my wife's 80th birthday I know where to go. Most of our political operators don't know how to talk to guy's like him... Farage does!!!
How though? What is Farage actually saying to this man that makes him think his life is going to improve?
 
How though? What is Farage actually saying to this man that makes him think his life is going to improve?
I don't think this particular guy thinks his life will improve that's not his beef any longer, his hope has gone; the thing is he thinks such as Farage understands him, thinks if he met Farage in a pub he would be able to talk to him, more importantly he thinks he can trust such as Farage.... that is the danger!