Nigel Farage - Reform leader

Maticmaker said:
I don't think this particular guy thinks his life will improve that's not his beef any longer, his hope has gone; the thing is he thinks such as Farage understands him, thinks if he met Farage in a pub he would be able to talk to him, more importantly he thinks he can trust such as Farage.... that is the danger!
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But what makes him think that? What has Farage actually done or said that makes people think this? This is what continually confuses me about Farage, what examples are there that gives people this view of him?
 
Buster15 said:
And despite all the good things Labour has been doing, it counts for nothing if people just don't like you.
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This is a the heart of the matter.

Taking this bloke as an example, I am not sure he is interested in the Labour party anymore, as he thinks they are not interested in him. From being a 16 yr old apprentice he followed/supported Labour for years, blindly so to speak; believing they would 'do something' to help when his life's trade disappeared, when even after he travelled 30 miles, the work just kept disappearing.

The only help he got was to be advised to re-train and because of his love of baking he trained as a pastry chef, this was following a visit to a re-employment counsellor, arranged by his local Trade Union branch, and incidentally he still attends reunion meetings of his former branch... but I suspect he is only 'here for the beer' though!.

Sound bites on TV seem to hold sway with this guy, the comments about JC 'only caring about the problems of people in other countries', Gordon Brown's off the record comments about the old lady who asked about immigration, and one or two other quotes he makes regularly when asked about politics.

He genuinely seems to believe the Labour party has left him, it doesn't 'chime' with his thinking anymore, but apparently Farage does; especially about illegal immigrants coming in on boats and nobody's stopping them, they are receiving (apparently) help with everything, a lot more than he got when he was out of work.

Farage may have his ear, but I strongly suspect my neighbour is so far gone, so worn down, he will not vote at all in the next GE.
 
Mogget said:
But what makes him think that? What has Farage actually done or said that makes people think this? This is what continually confuses me about Farage, what examples are there that gives people this view of him?
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There was that photo of him drinking a pint that one time, remember?! Proper salt of the earth, man of the people, our Nige...
 
Buster15 said:
That is interesting.
Proper communication is so important nowadays. And as we appreciate Starmer is better on strategy and organising. But not good on communication.
I do accept that Farage is better able to cut through the fog and keep things simple. And this can only work for a single policy.
But I have to ask, is that really the criteria we should use to elect a PM.
Opposition to easy, as Labour know well.
Government is almost impossible, especially in the current climate.
And despite all the good things Labour has been doing, it counts for nothing if people just don't like you.
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Herein lies the problem. This will be the 2nd leader in a row that the media have pushed a narrative so that the public buy into and hence take a dislike too.

I was watching a clip on FB of a guy who goes around interviewing reform voters, people who admit to liking Nigel Farage. He lists a few horrible policies such as selling off the NHS, being able to sack pregnant women, not paying women the same pay as men etc and he asks them what they think of those. They all don’t like them. He then says who do you think suggests those policies? A few say Labour but nobody says reform. He tells them the truth then asks again what they think of farage? All the women have gone off him. Even the men say they’re not voting for reform and yes changed their minds.

My point? People are led by the media that they consume and the social media channels that they subscribe too. If someone tells them Starmer is bad, then in their mind Starmer is bad. No logic applied.

It’s a horrible time of media corruption that we live in. So much for neutral media. Until this is somehow resolved, the next 10 Labour leaders will go the exact same way.
 
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Maticmaker said:
This is a the heart of the matter.

Taking this bloke as an example, I am not sure he is interested in the Labour party anymore, as he thinks they are not interested in him. From being a 16 yr old apprentice he followed/supported Labour for years, blindly so to speak; believing they would 'do something' to help when his life's trade disappeared, when even after he travelled 30 miles, the work just kept disappearing.

The only help he got was to be advised to re-train and because of his love of baking he trained as a pastry chef, this was following a visit to a re-employment counsellor, arranged by his local Trade Union branch, and incidentally he still attends reunion meetings of his former branch... but I suspect he is only 'here for the beer' though!.

Sound bites on TV seem to hold sway with this guy, the comments about JC 'only caring about the problems of people in other countries', Gordon Brown's off the record comments about the old lady who asked about immigration, and one or two other quotes he makes regularly when asked about politics.

He genuinely seems to believe the Labour party has left him, it doesn't 'chime' with his thinking anymore, but apparently Farage does; especially about illegal immigrants coming in on boats and nobody's stopping them, they are receiving (apparently) help with everything, a lot more than he got when he was out of work.

Farage may have his ear, but I strongly suspect my neighbour is so far gone, so worn down, he will not vote at all in the next GE.
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Have you asked him for concrete examples of anything Farage promised about Brexit that have actually come true.
And in the highly likely event he says that it is all down to the way it was implemented, ask him why Farage has not been banging the drum and putting forward solutions.
Because the simple fact is that he has been quieter than a Monk and certainly does not want to talk about it.
 
golden_blunder said:
Herein lies the problem. This will be the 2nd leader in a row that the media have pushed a narrative so that the public bye into and hence take a dislike too.

I was watching a clip on FB of a guy who goes around interviewing reform voters, people who admit to liking Nigel Farage. He lists a few horrible policies such as selling off the NHS, being able to sack pregnant women, not paying women the same pay as men etc and he asks them what they think of those. They all don’t like them. He then says who do you think suggests those policies? A few say Labour but nobody says reform. He tells them the truth then asks again what they think of farage? All the women have gone off him. Even the men say they’re not voting for reform and yes changed their minds.

My point? People are led by the media that they consume and the social media channels that they subscribe too. If someone tells them Starmer is bad, then in their mind Starmer is bad. No logic applied.

It’s a horrible time of media corruption that we live in. So much for neutral media. Until this is somehow resolved, the next 10 Labour leaders will go the exact same way.
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You seeing into the future?!
 
golden_blunder said:
Herein lies the problem. This will be the 2nd leader in a row that the media have pushed a narrative so that the public bye into and hence take a dislike too.

I was watching a clip on FB of a guy who goes around interviewing reform voters, people who admit to liking Nigel Farage. He lists a few horrible policies such as selling off the NHS, being able to sack pregnant women, not paying women the same pay as men etc and he asks them what they think of those. They all don’t like them. He then says who do you think suggests those policies? A few say Labour but nobody says reform. He tells them the truth then asks again what they think of farage? All the women have gone off him. Even the men say they’re not voting for reform and yes changed their minds.

My point? People are led by the media that they consume and the social media channels that they subscribe too. If someone tells them Starmer is bad, then in their mind Starmer is bad. No logic applied.

It’s a horrible time of media corruption that we live in. So much for neutral media. Until this is somehow resolved, the next 10 Labour leaders will go the exact same way.
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Great post. Depressing but nonetheless a great post.
 
Does anyone know why Harborne lives in Thailand? The usual reason middle-aged/older British men move to Thailand?
 
Mogget said:
But what makes him think that? What has Farage actually done or said that makes people think this? This is what continually confuses me about Farage, what examples are there that gives people this view of him?
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Don't confuse logic with emotion. To many, it is as basic as Nige isn't Labour or Tory so I will vote for him instead.
So what are his policies....answer stop immigration.
 
Mogget said:
But what makes him think that? What has Farage actually done or said that makes people think this? This is what continually confuses me about Farage, what examples are there that gives people this view of him?
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I dont know the wider answer, but based on my chats with my neighbour that involve Farage, it is all about the perceived 'persona' that Farage gives out, and incidentally what Labour does not.

Since his UKIP days Farage has been in and around in the public eye, along time now; his persona has only gained in momentum with those like my neighbour who have experienced a 'real mid-life' crisis; when the only thing they could earn a living at was slowly being diminished, fading away, until completely vanished and nobody did anything or even seemed to care.

Especially the Labour party something, a political entity, that such as my neighbour had always believed in and supported, who to many like him, were not even speaking the same language anymore. As my neighbour has pointed out to me many times, Labour was discussing "everything under the sun, but what their grass-root supporters wanted to hear".

Then starting with Brexit, Farage was suddenly providing a focus/reason for their problems, i.e.that all the loss of industry etc. occurred because we were in the EU e.g. 'Freedom of movement' 'meant people from the EU taking our jobs; then it became illegal immigrants, flooding in to the country uncontrolled, etc. Then when Labour floundered, apparently couldn't decided 'stay or leave' and the Tories eventually messed it up, Farage followed it up, attracting attention, the limelight on him and he has never lost it since.

The real danger is that in this next few weeks Labour is about to commit political suicide in public and confirm to my neighbour everything he believes they are; self indulgent and with no idea how to organise; even the proverbial '**iss up in a brewery'!
 
golden_blunder said:
Herein lies the problem. This will be the 2nd leader in a row that the media have pushed a narrative so that the public buy into and hence take a dislike too.

I was watching a clip on FB of a guy who goes around interviewing reform voters, people who admit to liking Nigel Farage. He lists a few horrible policies such as selling off the NHS, being able to sack pregnant women, not paying women the same pay as men etc and he asks them what they think of those. They all don’t like them. He then says who do you think suggests those policies? A few say Labour but nobody says reform. He tells them the truth then asks again what they think of farage? All the women have gone off him. Even the men say they’re not voting for reform and yes changed their minds.

My point? People are led by the media that they consume and the social media channels that they subscribe too. If someone tells them Starmer is bad, then in their mind Starmer is bad. No logic applied.

It’s a horrible time of media corruption that we live in. So much for neutral media. Until this is somehow resolved, the next 10 Labour leaders will go the exact same way.
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Spot on with this.
 
Buster15 said:
Have you asked him for concrete examples of anything Farage promised about Brexit that have actually come true.
And in the highly likely event he says that it is all down to the way it was implemented, ask him why Farage has not been banging the drum and putting forward solutions.
Because the simple fact is that he has been quieter than a Monk and certainly does not want to talk about it.
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No, I have not, partly because that is not on our agenda when we meet up and if it was I would suspect we wouldn't be meeting that often. As I mentioned earlier he is a big United fan, use to be a season ticket holder like me, but his budget does'nt run to it anymore, that is ostensibly the reasons for our discussions.

I do not challenge his views on Farage, just try to find out why...? It seems to me Farage is the modern day equivalent of the 'Pied-piper' the tune he plays has resonance with those who life has treated badly, or who they believe it has!

As far as Brexit is concerned it was probably when Farage first appeared on my neighbours radar (like many others).

I suspect that if I did push him on why hasn't Farage been putting forward solutions, I suspect my neighbour would say, "because when he has nothing to say he keeps his trap shut". Given his past experiences, that Labour in particular never did talk about the things he (my neighbour) wanted them to talk about, this would be seen as a 'big plus' for Farage, at least in my neighbour's book!!

I suspect my neighbour like many who only see Farage through certain 'types of spectacles'; he makes sounds and noises that make them turn their heads, they may even cheer him, but how many will actually vote for him, will I suspect be down to how Labour conducts its self, especially now, over its leadership issue.

If, given all the cost of living Issues, the bleak future outlook etc, there is currently within this country, in the middle east and Ukraine, climate change etc. etc. if Labour believes now is the time to engage in a political blood bath that will without doubt arise from forcing out a sitting leader with at least (a paper) massive majority, who is unwilling to go... then I suspect my neighbour would say they deserve everything Farage can drag up against them!
 
Maticmaker said:
No, I have not, partly because that is not on our agenda when we meet up and if it was I would suspect we wouldn't be meeting that often. As I mentioned earlier he is a big United fan, use to be a season ticket holder like me, but his budget does'nt run to it anymore, that is ostensibly the reasons for our discussions.

I do not challenge his views on Farage, just try to find out why...? It seems to me Farage is the modern day equivalent of the 'Pied-piper' the tune he plays has resonance with those who life has treated badly, or who they believe it has!

As far as Brexit is concerned it was probably when Farage first appeared on my neighbours radar (like many others).

I suspect that if I did push him on why hasn't Farage been putting forward solutions, I suspect my neighbour would say, "because when he has nothing to say he keeps his trap shut". Given his past experiences, that Labour in particular never did talk about the things he (my neighbour) wanted them to talk about, this would be seen as a 'big plus' for Farage, at least in my neighbour's book!!

I suspect my neighbour like many who only see Farage through certain 'types of spectacles'; he makes sounds and noises that make them turn their heads, they may even cheer him, but how many will actually vote for him, will I suspect be down to how Labour conducts its self, especially now, over its leadership issue.

If, given all the cost of living Issues, the bleak future outlook etc, there is currently within this country, in the middle east and Ukraine, climate change etc. etc. if Labour believes now is the time to engage in a political blood bath that will without doubt arise from forcing out a sitting leader with at least (a paper) massive majority, who is unwilling to go... then I suspect my neighbour would say they deserve everything Farage can drag up against them!
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That is very fair.
To be honest, were I in your position, I would expect to have said that same thing. My post was a bit over the top really.
 
Buster15 said:
That is very fair.
To be honest, were I in your position, I would expect to have said that same thing. My post was a bit over the top really.
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No problem, myself and my neighbour rarely have "political discussions" as such.

I think the main point I was seeking to highlight was that many who seem drawn to Farage, are people who lives have been radically change through no fault of their own, and Farage' s persona is one they find gives them a sympathetic outlook of what(might) have happened at least one they can relate too...also because no one else has bothered to even try to explain.
Wishing you well my friend:+1:
 
Farage: "The money was given to me for no specific purpose whatsoever."

Also Farage: "The money was given to me because I campaigned for Brexit."
 
Not sure about financial donations but lets be honest..probably

Musk was definitely pushing for Reform to allow Tommy Robinson into the party and to his credit (though the decision is self interested) Farage refused, because he's always known that associating with the BNP/ National Front types loses him more than it gains.

That's why online you have the artificial push for Restore, because of this Musk fracture
 
golden_blunder said:
Herein lies the problem. This will be the 2nd leader in a row that the media have pushed a narrative so that the public buy into and hence take a dislike too.

I was watching a clip on FB of a guy who goes around interviewing reform voters, people who admit to liking Nigel Farage. He lists a few horrible policies such as selling off the NHS, being able to sack pregnant women, not paying women the same pay as men etc and he asks them what they think of those. They all don’t like them. He then says who do you think suggests those policies? A few say Labour but nobody says reform. He tells them the truth then asks again what they think of farage? All the women have gone off him. Even the men say they’re not voting for reform and yes changed their minds.

My point? People are led by the media that they consume and the social media channels that they subscribe too. If someone tells them Starmer is bad, then in their mind Starmer is bad. No logic applied.

It’s a horrible time of media corruption that we live in. So much for neutral media. Until this is somehow resolved, the next 10 Labour leaders will go the exact same way.
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I’d say that on top of the drift towards populism, especially right wing populism, that a lot of democracies have seen recently, Britain has the added problem of a complete infantilisation of politics, driven by the media and lobby journalists in particular. Rather than political coverage being a sober discussion about serious issues and analysing policies, it’s just treated as a game, a big soap opera. And like any soap opera it needs constant drama, shocking twists, backstabbing, etc. And the only people that benefits are figures like Farage who have no solutions to the serious questions but live for the drama.
 
Eric_the_Red99 said:
I’d say that on top of the drift towards populism, especially right wing populism, that a lot of democracies have seen recently, Britain has the added problem of a complete infantilisation of politics, driven by the media and lobby journalists in particular. Rather than political coverage being a sober discussion about serious issues and analysing policies, it’s just treated as a game, a big soap opera. And like any soap opera it needs constant drama, shocking twists, backstabbing, etc. And the only people that benefits are figures like Farage who have no solutions to the serious questions but live for the drama.
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Quite right
 
The Guardian is concerned by the recent publication on Nigel Farage’s social media pages of the professional credentials of a photographer working on behalf of the Guardian while he was working lawfully in a public space. Holding public figures to account is the role of a free press.

As part of the Guardian’s journalism covering Nigel Farage’s purchase of a £1.4m property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift, a photographer took pictures from a public path and showed his press card when asked to identify himself.

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New tactic of doxxing the press.
 
Frosty said:
The Guardian is concerned by the recent publication on Nigel Farage’s social media pages of the professional credentials of a photographer working on behalf of the Guardian while he was working lawfully in a public space. Holding public figures to account is the role of a free press.

As part of the Guardian’s journalism covering Nigel Farage’s purchase of a £1.4m property in cash shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift, a photographer took pictures from a public path and showed his press card when asked to identify himself.

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New tactic of doxxing the press.
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He really is a spiteful, hateful person. Has learnt well from Trump it seems.

The media need to stand firm and keep on him. Get him pushed out of politics
 
Sir Matt said:
Does anyone know why Harborne lives in Thailand? The usual reason middle-aged/older British men move to Thailand?
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Think he spent much of his life there and favourable crypto laws I would assume. He's not different to most of their donors I'd bet, Tory donor turned Reform donor. Just seems weirdly invested in Brexit. Not really surprising he gives them money though, Reform are just new Tories and that means very favourable laws for the mega rich.
 
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