Nigel Farage - Reform leader

Dancfc said:
One hill I'll always die on is there should be an IQ test before being eligible to vote.
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Or your vote is weighted to your IQ or to use your level of education as a surrogate... You can make your vote should matter most by taking extra tests, from literary to understanding of politics, economics, finances etc. I'm all for it.
 
So the people who can afford a top education have more say than those who can't.

Just what we need right now.
 
Nas-JR said:
Or your vote is weighted to your IQ or to use your level of education as a surrogate... You can make your vote should matter most by taking extra tests, from literary to understanding of politics, economics, finances etc. I'm all for it.
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IQ has nothing to do with a person’s level of education
 
That'sHernandez said:
IQ has nothing to do with a person’s level of education
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Most studies do actually show further education correlates to a higher IQ. However that's probably somewhat self selecting.

Given we're moving towards ID Cards and 16 year olds getting the vote I do think now is the time to do a political education of sorts. Mask it up as a Britishness test to please the daily mailers if you will but a basic online registration would do wonders. Include some basic information, one of those political ideology quizzes and you'd have millions questioning their vote.

There's not enough effort involved in voting and sadly the system demands it. Millions read some hate content, turn up with their card and tick a box not knowing the MP they're voting for or even their policies.
 
Smores said:
Most studies do actually show further education correlates to a higher IQ. However that's probably somewhat self selecting.

Given we're moving towards ID Cards and 16 year olds getting the vote I do think now is the time to do a political education of sorts. Mask it up as a Britishness test to please the daily mailers if you will but a basic online registration would do wonders. Include some basic information, one of those political ideology quizzes and you'd have millions questioning their vote.

There's not enough effort involved in voting and sadly the system demands it. Millions read some hate content, turn up with their card and tick a box not knowing the MP they're voting for or even their policies.
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While I largely agree with this, my concern is that the political leanings of those providing this education could further manipulate or misinform voters.

The framing could be manipulated to convince people that they're much more corporatatist than they really are, for example. Or questions like 'do you think Israel have a right to exist' could trick voters into thinking they support pro genocidal candidates.

If the questions are fair and balanced, the right would lose their mind and claim discrimination (ironically). Otherwise, at best it's a both-sides factory, and at worst a tool to reinforce the status quo.
 
That'sHernandez said:
IQ has nothing to do with a person’s level of education
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I partially agree. It doesn't, but it can be a surrogate. Someone with a PhD is generally going to have a higher IQ than a non-skilled labourer, in the conventional definition of IQ at least.

What's more important though is that as you go up the education ladder the more exposed you get to different ideas, philosophies and even cultures which expands your understanding of how the world works, meaning your less likely to fall for the propaganda that your farages and trumps spout out. This won't necessarily elevate your IQ but it makes you better prepared for dealing with life.

Before you get your knives out, I know this is obviously not always the case, and the impact of education in it's current form has been diluted over the last couple of decades, but let's not swing the other way and assume education is worthless.
 
The only "acceptable" test to "earn" the right to vote would have to consist in purely and exclusively objective questions about the current democratic rules, processes and institutions of the country or region the election is being held for. As in "is the system one of proportional representation?" or "are the members of the House of Lords elected?" or "can the king propose/modify/veto/whatever laws/bills/regulations/whatever?". I've been thinking about for a long time now, in particular since I found out my parents (and many other I've talked to about it since) didn't know that (in Spain) your votes for a party that doesn't get any seats in the electoral subdivision ("circunscripción") are "lost", they don't count towards the final composition of the Parliament. And that's just one example of the extremely widespread and fundamental ignorance of the average voter, there are thousands of others.

But even in that case I'm extremely dubious about its legitimacy and potential implementation. It should certainly be every voter's civic duty to be and stay informed about the most basic workings of the system they live and vote in, but you just know that enforcing that would end up being an ideological shitshow at best.
 
Just make practical political education part of the school curriculum from an early age.

How to register to vote.

How to vote.

What elections are and how they differ.

What Parliament is.

What powers it has.

What powers the courts have.

The current levels of political knowledge of new voters is shocking, and I don't think it is their fault.
 
Nas-JR said:
What's more important though is that as you go up the education ladder the more exposed you get to different ideas, philosophies and even cultures which expands your understanding of how the world works, meaning your less likely to fall for the propaganda that your farages and trumps spout out. This won't necessarily elevate your IQ but it makes you better prepared for dealing with life.
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Just to add that this is definitely not the case in the US anymore, where they have spent decades meticulously crafting end-to-end education pathways which serve the sole purpose of restricting world views and reinforcing one path.

It's extremely visible and egregious in the US, but it's probably the same in other countries too that I just haven't heard as much about.
 
unchanged_lineup said:
Just to add that this is definitely not the case in the US anymore, where they have spent decades meticulously crafting end-to-end education pathways which serve the sole purpose of restricting world views and reinforcing one path.

It's extremely visible and egregious in the US, but it's probably the same in other countries too that I just haven't heard as much about.
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That's fair. There's a nefarious side to it for sure that I'm perhaps unaware of. The US is a world of it's own, although it's trying to drag everyone else to the depths it's going towards, so who knows where we go from here.
 
Frosty said:
Just make practical political education part of the school curriculum from an early age.

How to register to vote.

How to vote.

What elections are and how they differ.

What Parliament is.

What powers it has.

What powers the courts have.

The current levels of political knowledge of new voters is shocking, and I don't think it is their fault.
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It's outrageous that it isn't part of the curriculum.
 
Frosty said:
Just make practical political education part of the school curriculum from an early age.

How to register to vote.

How to vote.

What elections are and how they differ.

What Parliament is.

What powers it has.

What powers the courts have.

The current levels of political knowledge of new voters is shocking, and I don't think it is their fault.
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Almost like the constant cutting and destabilising of our education system is by design.
 
Frosty said:
Just make practical political education part of the school curriculum from an early age.

How to register to vote.

How to vote.

What elections are and how they differ.

What Parliament is.

What powers it has.

What powers the courts have.

The current levels of political knowledge of new voters is shocking, and I don't think it is their fault.
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When I used to work in elections, we tried to do outreach work in schools and colleges about this including mock parliaments etc but it should definitely be part of the school curriculum.
 
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Berbasbullet said:
Everyone is god party :lol:
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Mr White wants to rid the world of cash and control banking through one single bank that the Government (aka himself) has total control of. He wants to regulate parenting and has a statement at the top of several of his policies which reads: ‘We have a simple choice, more privacy and more crime, less privacy and less crime.’ He also wants to make being rude and being late for work a crime.
 
Farage looks like the 90s animatronic version of a real person, he was born in the uncanny valley.
 
One would hope that the UK checks and measures are effective in exactly the way that the US ones aren’t.
Reform need a hugely intrusive anal audit. For all of them. No Vaseline.
 
Very good video done by Channel 4 on Christopher Harborne and his role in Brexit and the rise of Reform. It’s quite harrowing to see how much influence one individual can have on the political direction of an entire country. What I dont get is why? He's a bloody billionaire, he's got enough cash for generations, is he doing it for more money? More power?

 
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