No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?

[spiriticon]

We can argue about how good he is today but the fact is he still will lose us a cup if it goes to penalties and we don't sub him off *shrugs*

He simply needs to practice saving pens vs Ronaldo, day in day out

 

[Sandikan]

De Gea has the shirt until there's reason to take it off him.

Hendo can play the league cup/FA cup in the meantime.

 

[Oranges038]

Do you have any evidence to support the last bit? Have we scored more goals from it, any goals at all? Not saying that distribution isn’t important, but Henderson isn’t really on Ederson’s level is he.

All last season won more games, conceded less goals and kept more clean sheets win Henderson in goal. Not sure if more goals were scored but that's how it was the last time I checked.

If you look at De Gea in his last couple of games, still reluctant to leave his line to sweep or take crosses or corners. As an example, that double save today, he should have been claiming the cross, instead he's glued to his line, last season I don't know how many goals were conceded from these situations. He still doesn't look to make himself an option to take passes of his defenders and his distribution is still quite shit.

But he made a couple of decent saves so the obvious flaws in his game and the shit performances of the last 3 years are all of a sudden forgotten.

 

[Varane around town]

One of the better things about the start of this season has been De Gea's form.

Who knows if DDG will have a big wobble and lose his place at some point? Who knows if Henderson was going to be our no.1 until he got Long COVID? Anyway, DDG is our number 1 for now until there's a good reason to take the place away from him. I do hope that Ole gives Henderson plenty of opportunities so we can see just how good Henderson is. I'd play him in the cups and the Champions League group stage.

 

[Kerry Donaghy]

All last season won more games, conceded less goals and kept more clean sheets win Henderson in goal. Not sure if more goals were scored but that's how it was the last time I checked.

If you look at De Gea in his last couple of games, still reluctant to leave his line to sweep or take crosses or corners. As an example, that double save today, he should have been claiming the cross, instead he's glued to his line, last season I don't know how many goals were conceded from these situations. He still doesn't look to make himself an option to take passes of his defenders and his distribution is still quite shit.

But he made a couple of decent saves so the obvious flaws in his game and the shit performances of the last 3 years are all of a sudden forgotten.

Agree with this 100%, for most other professional goalkeepers that is a standard catch or punch away, yet against us it's a clear goalscoring opportunity because De Gea is rooted to the line as usual.
To be clear, I'm not saying it wasn't great reflexes for the follow up save, it was, and credit where it's due, but he's got lucky that the first header was straight at him, if it's headed anywhere else then he probably would have just stood and watched it go past him (as has happened on many many occasions before) and then our defenders would have taken all the blame.

I've been saying this for years now, and I stand by it, that double save yesterday is a perfect example of why he's so overrated in the first place. As I said, for most other keepers, a cross that close to the goal is one they would come and claim without much drama (and therefore attention on it), but against us then it's a basically a 50/50 chance of a goal depending on who wins the header, the attacker or the defender.
It's the equivalent of a fireman going around and putting out fires that they themselves have started and then getting labelled as the greatest fireman in the world.

We got lucky this time, but I can guarantee you that if De Gea is reinstated as our number one then our defence will always struggle overall because of his weakness in terms of commanding the box, no matter what defenders we start with. Pulling off the odd world class save every now and again just doesn't compensate for this major flaw in my opinion.
I genuinely hope he proves me wrong but I've been waiting 11 years for this to improve so it's hard to be optimistic about it.

 

[Eugenius]

All last season won more games, conceded less goals and kept more clean sheets win Henderson in goal. Not sure if more goals were scored but that's how it was the last time I checked.

If you look at De Gea in his last couple of games, still reluctant to leave his line to sweep or take crosses or corners. As an example, that double save today, he should have been claiming the cross, instead he's glued to his line, last season I don't know how many goals were conceded from these situations. He still doesn't look to make himself an option to take passes of his defenders and his distribution is still quite shit.

But he made a couple of decent saves so the obvious flaws in his game and the shit performances of the last 3 years are all of a sudden forgotten.

Henderson isn't much better in the air. Better sweeping through balls, but a bit small and doesn't dominate his 6 yard box at corners & can be flappy in open play.

I agree DDG is weak in the air, but that doesn't mean Henderson is the answer. I still think there's a question whether Romero should have got the chance in the team ahead of him.

 

[OleBoiii]

DDG undroppable right now. He's been great so far.

 

[PeteManic]

All the muppets voting for Henderson. Laughable. DDG ten years of experience. Absolute legend.

 

[Lyng]

Henderson isn't much better in the air. Better sweeping through balls, but a bit small and doesn't dominate his 6 yard box at corners & can be flappy in open play.

I agree DDG is weak in the air, but that doesn't mean Henderson is the answer. I still think there's a question whether Romero should have got the chance in the team ahead of him.

This is my main issue. Yes DDG has a clear weakness, but Henderson isn't much better in that area, on the other hand DDG is on a different level to Henderson when it comes to shot stopping.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

All the muppets voting for Henderson. Laughable. DDG ten years of experience. Absolute legend.

I voted De Gea (and before this season started of course) because if he can rediscover his ceiling, he’s unstoppable.

But I do see the argument for Henderson. He’s going to be a very good GK, potentially England’s #1, is homegrown and I cannot see him having another temporary loan stint.

There’s something about De Gea since he’s come back though, he has a different aura and almost looks different. Clear he has the determination to reach his best again and his early performances are showing promise that we’re going to see the De Gea we know best

 

[pratyush_utd]

De Gea had his issues but I dont see Henderson as his replacement. So for me De Gea till there is an issue.

 

[sillwuka]

A confident De Gea should be our number one without a doubt.

Henderson will most likely be sold next year and we will get similar money to Ramsdale which isn't too bad.

 

[PeteManic]

If Henderson wasn't English he wouldn't be there.

 

[RedDevilLucio]

If we keep giving free headers 6 yard out we are screwed whoever the GK is!! And it was Verane who got mugged before that De Gea double save

 

[Bebestation]

If Henderson wasn't English he wouldn't be there.

Thank god for that then. United being an English club and having some good English players is great to see.

Especially with Goalkeepers who have a tendency to get better with alot of age and experience- for example van der sar or even Schezeny who is now playing for Juventus, I have hope that Henderson will be like that.

 

[VanDeBank]

Thank god for that then. United being an English club and having some good English players is great to see.

Especially with Goalkeepers who have a tendency to get better with alot of age and experience- for example van der sar or even Schezeny who is now playing for Juventus, I have hope that Henderson will be like that.

I'd botch it worse, but still

You're right. GKs peak in their 30s plenty.

 

[hmchan]

Agree with this 100%, for most other professional goalkeepers that is a standard catch or punch away, yet against us it's a clear goalscoring opportunity because De Gea is rooted to the line as usual.
To be clear, I'm not saying it wasn't great reflexes for the follow up save, it was, and credit where it's due, but he's got lucky that the first header was straight at him, if it's headed anywhere else then he probably would have just stood and watched it go past him (as has happened on many many occasions before) and then our defenders would have taken all the blame.

I've been saying this for years now, and I stand by it, that double save yesterday is a perfect example of why he's so overrated in the first place. As I said, for most other keepers, a cross that close to the goal is one they would come and claim without much drama (and therefore attention on it), but against us then it's a basically a 50/50 chance of a goal depending on who wins the header, the attacker or the defender.
It's the equivalent of a fireman going around and putting out fires that they themselves have started and then getting labelled as the greatest fireman in the world.

We got lucky this time, but I can guarantee you that if De Gea is reinstated as our number one then our defence will always struggle overall because of his weakness in terms of commanding the box, no matter what defenders we start with. Pulling off the odd world class save every now and again just doesn't compensate for this major flaw in my opinion.
I genuinely hope he proves me wrong but I've been waiting 11 years for this to improve so it's hard to be optimistic about it.

Didn't realize when I watched it live but when I saw the replay, I came up with the same conclusion. It was a weak ball straight into the center of the six-yard box and this was a typical situation where keepers came off their line to claim the cross, as in routine training. And guess what someone was really putting the blame on Varane.

 

[Andycoleno9]

 

[sullydnl]

Well this has certainly swung in a very definite direction.

 

[Andycoleno9]

No way that Hendo would save half of Villareal's chance. And later it would be described "not his fault". My point is; United keeper must pull world class saves and DDG is one of the best in the world in that

 

[RetroStu]

Even though he obviously cant save every shot, i always feel way safer with DDG in goal.

I know he's had some dodgy spells over recent seasons, which has had people question him, but i never understood the fans that thought he's finished and couldnt get back to good form. The guy is 30, which is barely middle aged for a keeper in footballing terms.

 

[morbidsaint]

Finally, this debate should be settled. /Thread.

 

[Paxi]

Time to lock this thread. De Gea with a dip in form was still arguably on par with Henderson so switching them would have been a sideways move.

Now, it’s not even a debate.

 

[RUCK4444]

Time to lock this thread. De Gea with a dip in form was still arguably on par with Henderson so switching them would have been a sideways move.

Now, it’s not even a debate.

Yup.

 

[Paxi]

Oh and shout out to those 255 who never lost faith.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Oh and shout out to those 255 who never lost faith.

What about 3 new ones who are trying to jump to train now?

 

[Paxi]

What about 3 new ones who are trying to jump to train now?

Sneaky feckers

 

[Tom Cato]

I voted Henderson just to be edgy.

But lets be real here, De Gea has put up a pickete fence and kitchen in the goal area, it's his home.

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

I really wanted to vote for Tom Heaton, but after last night I have changed back to DDG

 

[patter]

Now, De Gea has amazing form. He helped Man Utd with many super saves.