Official: Casemiro to leave at the end of the season | Maybe?

Already know how this will end.

He will extend, have a bad game and all the "he should not have renewed. Should have been released" crowd will pile on ( i will be part of that crowd for sure)

I love Casemiro and his dedication to his craft, but do not want the good feelings of him singing off on a high and getting United in to the champions league to erode.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" 100% will apply to Casemiro if he renews.

Best for him to go, play in a lower league and enjoy his semi retirement.

If we as a club have any ambition to win the league and the champions league in the next 3 odd seasons, we need to plan for younger players.
 
He has been fantastic playing in a normal position and is arguably still our second best player after Bruno.

I would be delighted by this news. He is a legend and there just isn’t anyone around who brings close to the experience he brings.

He loves the club and would be absolutely invaluable even coming on at the end of games.
 
Red00012 said:
It’s time for him to go , we need an upgrade on him especially with CL next season. He’s been good but at times our midfield have been destroyed by teams . Bournemouth must have ran through our midfield 4/5 times last night .
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We do need an upgrade. But, at this moment, we are only on one central midfielder for next season. Ugarte is also leaving, remember?

Bringing 3 new midfielders is a huge task. Not just money wise. It is better to keep Casemiro and buy only two midfielders. With 4 competitions next year, we need quality AND quantity.
 
The way I see it is ugarte is out the door come the summer, so we need 1 to add to our midfield anyway plus Ugartes replacement minimum. Add in European games and we will be severely low of numbers. If we lose casimiro as well I don’t have the faith the club will replace him even with a warm body. Getting 3 first team midfielders in one summer is too much of a stretch. Keep him another year.
 
Witchking said:
Already know how this will end.

He will extend, have a bad game and all the "he should not have renewed. Should have been released" crowd will pile on ( i will be part of that crowd for sure)

I love Casemiro and his dedication to his craft, but do not want the good feelings of him singing off on a high and getting United in to the champions league to erode.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" 100% will apply to Casemiro if he renews.

Best for him to go, play in a lower league and enjoy his semi retirement.

If we as a club have any ambition to win the league and the champions league in the next 3 odd seasons, we need to plan for younger players.
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You can be as ambitious as you want. Signing three or four midfielders in one window is extremely likely to mean you sign a dud or two. Depending on the salary, this could be a very sensible idea in the circumstances..
 
Witchking said:
Already know how this will end.

He will extend, have a bad game and all the "he should not have renewed. Should have been released" crowd will pile on ( i will be part of that crowd for sure)

I love Casemiro and his dedication to his craft, but do not want the good feelings of him singing off on a high and getting United in to the champions league to erode.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" 100% will apply to Casemiro if he renews.

Best for him to go, play in a lower league and enjoy his semi retirement.

If we as a club have any ambition to win the league and the champions league in the next 3 odd seasons, we need to plan for younger players.
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Also fair chance that a new signing that replaces him initially struggles and we’ll have loads of people piling on him with comments saying ”we should have just kept Casemiro”.

I want him to stay given his performance level this season. We’ll have a higher amount of games next season where he will be needed.

Would also be great for any new signing or younger players to have someone with his experience around
 
All for this on reasonable wages. He's been very good this season, has immense experience and is clearly a brilliant mentality in the dressing room. One of our few proper winners.

I hope he's happy to accept a big adjustment, perhaps alongside some increased win bonuses?
 
Raoul said:
Pay him whatever he wants. It will still be a drop in the bucket compared to having to spend upwards of £150m for two new midfielders. The club will no doubt be well aware of this.
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We need two new midfielders anyway, with the plan for both of them to be consistent starters. Casemiro can only start one game a week at most, Mainoo isn't good enough to start regularly yet and Ugarte obviously isn't good enough.

Two new midfielders, Casemiro and Mainoo is what we'll hopefully have next season. Casemiro staying reduces some of the pressure on the new guys to instantly start well, while having the two new midfielders reduces the pressure on Casemiro having to play too much. He'd probably start most of the European matches, then we'd pick and choose which other games he starts on the weeks we don't play CL. Over the course of the season he hopefully wouldn't start any more than half our matches (which may still be 25-30 games).

If Casemiro leaves then we'd also need to try to pick up a third relatively cheap midfielder to cover that extra spot.

While I'd certainly want him to reduce his wage somewhat, I'd still be happy for him to remain one of our highest earners to keep him for that one season (maybe two?). I think his experience and impact makes it worthwhile even if his actual gametime is limited. Then by the time he leaves hopefully Mainoo will be ready to start more consistently and rotate evenly with the other two.
 
Honestly felt it wouldn't be a bad idea to extend, but then I think the Bournemouth game kinda exposed his lack of pace (along with the rest of the team) and the result was Maguire's red card. I think Carrick noticed it and subbed on Ugarte for that reason.

I wouldn't mind extending Case but I definitely want another DM brought in, preferably much younger & quicker.
 
Casemiro is doing well. However he's also playing 1 game a week thus giving him ample time to recover. That option will go away next year as fixtures will pile up. He's also being played in a system that accommodate slow players but is quite predictable. We'll need to shift to a high tempo system soon as that tactic won't be working in the near future, at least not week in week out.

Letting Casemiro go is daunting but so was letting Keane go. We simply had to adapt to it. Wilcox had an entire year to prepare for this. If he can't come out with names past Baleba and Anderson then maybe we need a more experienced DOF.
 
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I personally think he needs to go. He’s been either really great for us or really bad. At the moment he’s great but he’s at the tail end of a stunning career. He’s a true great if the game but he’s not who he used to be and at over £300k or £350k a week depending what you read, you’d expect a superstar who is at peak age and ability.

My concern is who we get, we need a few top midfielders and the prices we are supposed to be getting quoted are similar to the money for Bellingham, Rice and Caiceido. If we are going to spend £80 to 100m on a midfielder should we not be getting the absolute best around and if so do we need to buy in the PL?

The buying of PL ready players (Cuhna and Mbeumo) was a genius and needed step this season. I just think we could go but the best mid in Italy or Germany for that money rather than decent premier league players especially after the humiliation PL clubs have suffered in the CL this week. It in my opinion shows that the continents best get better value for money in the transfer market.
 
Why is there a thread change? Who has reported it?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
We do need an upgrade. But, at this moment, we are only on one central midfielder for next season. Ugarte is also leaving, remember?

Bringing 3 new midfielders is a huge task. Not just money wise. It is better to keep Casemiro and buy only two midfielders. With 4 competitions next year, we need quality AND quantity.
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Who said Ugarte is leaving ? It’s a rumour that’s all from a tier 3 source if I’m correct and surely if Casemiro is leaving he’s thinking this is my moment to show I can replace him. Lastly I don’t know any club that is going to pay more than 15 million for him. He has barely played this season.
 
Red00012 said:
Who said Ugarte is leaving ? It’s a rumour that’s all from a tier 3 source if I’m correct and surely if Casemiro is leaving he’s thinking this is my moment to show I can replace him. Lastly I don’t know any club that is going to pay more than 15 million for him. He has barely played this season.
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It’s hardly a stretch to understand he wants out.

He’s shown nothing to suggest he warrants more game time. He’s just a warm body at this point. He knows the club is buying at least one midfielder in the summer.
 
Baleba was our target but he wont be worth the money after this season. And yes it might even be financially better to extend Casemiro for one more year than risking it on Baleba. Dont think Brighton would budge, theyre just that kind of club who would rather wait in order to get maximum transfer fee, its their business model.

I think thats why we reopened the talks.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
We do need an upgrade. But, at this moment, we are only on one central midfielder for next season. Ugarte is also leaving, remember?

Bringing 3 new midfielders is a huge task. Not just money wise. It is better to keep Casemiro and buy only two midfielders. With 4 competitions next year, we need quality AND quantity.
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It's an issue because of this EPL proven obsession and our slooooow way of doing things. For example there was an opportunity to bring Garner and McKennie on a free this summer yet the club have that a pass
 
tenpoless said:
Baleba was our target but he wont be worth the money after this season. And yes it might even be financially better to extend Casemiro for one more year than risking it on Baleba. Dont think Brighton would budge, theyre just that kind of club who would rather wait in order to get maximum transfer fee, its their business model.

I think thats why we reopened the talks.
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Baleba had been shit for the entire season. That gave wilcox ample time to find alternatives
 
devilish said:
It's an issue because of this EPL proven obsession and our slooooow way of doing things. For example there was an opportunity to bring Garner and McKennie on a free this summer yet the club have that a pass
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Garner wasn’t available on a free this summer
 
Andy Mitten said it’s not happening and that Casemiro already knows where he’s going.
 
Raoul said:
Pay him whatever he wants. It will still be a drop in the bucket compared to having to spend upwards of £150m for two new midfielders. The club will no doubt be well aware of this.
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There’s no way on earth Ineos will pay him what he wants and nor should they, yes he’s looked good this season but a lot of the headlines he’s getting is from scoring rather than all round performances.

We have the luxury right now of playing just league games which means outside of injuries we have the freshest squad in the top 6 and whilst I would be happy to keep Casemiro is should be done on the basis he’s a squad player and much lower wages, he hasn’t got two games a week in him.

Keeping him on lower wages means we can bring in two midfielders rather than three which will possibly allow us to also get a left back and a left winger which are also very needed but keeping Casemiro on £350K a week or anywhere near is ridiculous, his experience and leadership is needed but not at the cost of strengthening the squad.
 
We should only keep him if it doesn’t hinder other midfield signings. I can just see us putting out a statement that we’ve only gone for Sander Berge because we’re keeper Casemiro
 
Donut said:
Andy Mitten said it’s not happening and that Casemiro already knows where he’s going.
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Yep. Though this was in the podcast prior to the tweet (unless he repeated himself post Bournemouth?)

In any case, the source is completely unverified, not sure why the threat title was changed.
 
Sign him on reduced wages, plus sign 2 starting midfielders. Let Ugarte go to balance some of the money and we'll be set for next season
 
Casemiro now is similar to De Gea in his last season. De Gea had a good final season with us and did make his usual headline grabbing saves, but there were genuine questions over his all round game and whether we needed to move on. Considering the amount he was being paid he wasn't really justifying the cost all round.

As with De Gea then I think it's the right time to move on from high earner who is capable of winning us matches but whose limitations undermine us in other areas.

Let's just hope we don't balls up the choice of replacement on this occasion.
 
P-Nut said:
Sign him on reduced wages, plus sign 2 starting midfielders. Let Ugarte go to balance some of the money and we'll be set for next season
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Exactly this, bring in Anderson and Guimares to compete with Casemiro and Mainoo whilst moving Ugarte on and giving those spare minutes Ugarte gets to the likes of Kone or the Fletcher twins.
 
Donut said:
Andy Mitten said it’s not happening and that Casemiro already knows where he’s going.
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In this case we need 3 new CM. 2 established proper first teamers and one young prospect to replace Ugarte who also needs to be sold. Let's see if INEOS deliver
 
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as much as i love the guy...he's too expensive to keep on the payroll and he can't play more than one time per week
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Do not keep him. This form will fall off a cliff.
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If he is being rotated with Mainoo and 2 other quality players (assuming we sign 2) then I don't see why not seeing as his bad performances usually come during fixture congestion. If we can manage his minutes I see no reason why he cant stay 1 or 2 more years as a high level rotation player who is a squad leader.
 
Maybe if enough people report that he's going to sign a new contract he'll feel really awkward and embarrassed and just stay even though he hates being with me and would rather go live with Dave and his magical giant cock.
 
Donut said:
Andy Mitten said it’s not happening and that Casemiro already knows where he’s going.
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They should have asked him for update on these midfielders from Spain who are eyebrow raising. Getting it back on topic I keep hearing we should keep on reduced wages so what figure do people have in mind then?
 
After that interview clip posted all over social media I guess that’s a clear indication he’s having another year
 
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