No thanks. Lets invest heavily in midfield and move to the future
Official: Casemiro to leave at the end of the season | Maybe?
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We aren’t buying three midfielders this year, whether we save on Case’s wages or not. And none of the options are guaranteed to hit the ground running.
A one year extension is shrewd
guy can only play once a week and for that amount of money for his wages.....time for him to move on to a club where he can retire and play at the level his legs will allow which is certainly NOT the CL
The CL is probably a lot more fitting for someone like Casemiro, as the tempo is usually quite slower than in the Prem.
That being said, I agree we should move on.
He is still a world class player in some regards, but we need to plan ahead and not spend that kind of money on someone that old.
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Totally is. Even if he declines further as a midfielder, he's worth it for his monster set piece contributions alone for another year.
Experience and leadership like Casemiro is worth its weight in gold. When he can still give us so much, even if it were once a week, we would be mad to let him walk away with such a lack of options in midfield.
He is fantastic and we need another year!
He is fantastic and we need another year!
He's gone.
Will remember him very fondly. God we could have done with him a few years ago.
Will remember him very fondly. God we could have done with him a few years ago.
We just finished 8th and 15th with his experience and leadership. How bad exactly would we have been without him, relegated?
When he’s been at his best for us we finished third in his first season and we currently sit third. When he’s been hung out to dry in a dysfunctional midfield we finished 8th and 15th. That shows his worth.
It’s not his fault we hired incompetent coaches that were determined to work against the team. He still did his best whenever he was called upon despite being benched for awful players at times and needing to cover the midfield by himself.
He is a modern great and people are talking about him as if he is Djemba Djemba!
He is still class when he isn’t being asked to do ludicrous things and he loves the club. 60 minutes of Casemiro in that role is a better 60 minutes than you will get from 99,99% of elite players. There is no reason not to keep him around in a season with more games and few options.
Should definitely be moved on in an ideal world but as others have pointed out, we’re not signing 3 midfielders in one summer - so if he’s happy with a reduced role (he’s a model professional so I think he wants to play), and a reduced wage, then it would be a positive. His transfer fee is already a sunk/fully amortised cost on our books. He’d add great experience if we were to sign a few younger players like Anderson, Wharton, Baleba or the likes.
Very much in the camp of keeping him if he's happy with reduced wages and a slightly reduced role. We still need to sign 2 midfielders mind.
Not that I'd blame him if he wants to go and get his wages in Saudi or have a kick about with Messi in Miami.
Not that I'd blame him if he wants to go and get his wages in Saudi or have a kick about with Messi in Miami.
What exactly indicates that he’s supposed to stay here? If that is, indeed, that clip.
It's almost as if the quality of the squad, tactics and circumstances (one game a week) are the determining factors on us doing well rather than some magical power of "experience" and "leadership" from players who are way past their prime.
Arsenal are somehow 15 points ahead of us without this leadership and experience.
Experience is useless then is it? Maybe, just maybe, quality, tactics, circumstances and experience are all factors in being successful.
We must NOT get sucked into any late season emotional decisions on this.
Leave in the summer and we all have happy memories.
People have exceptionally short memories and seem to forget for at least a year huge amounts of posters were moaning that we'd saddled ourselves with such a huge contract until this summer.
Leave in the summer and we all have happy memories.
People have exceptionally short memories and seem to forget for at least a year huge amounts of posters were moaning that we'd saddled ourselves with such a huge contract until this summer.
If that clip indicates anything, than that the decision to leave after the end of the season is final.
One more season actually does make sense and is definitely not just playing into sentimentality. Two midfielders incoming, Ugarte sold, and one more year of Case is the perfect off season
Exactly my point.
Having 34 year olds for the sake of experience is the least important factor by far. It's why we can have supposedly elite experience and still finish 15th and lose a final to serial bottlers Spurs who have no experience.
We need two midfielders.
If Ugarte goes, we probably need three, which is a lot, especially when you consider other needs in the squad.
So it would actually make sense short term to let Ugarte go - as he's giving us nothing - but keep Casemiro for another year, on reduced wages, so that we don't need that third midfielder this summer.
But it seems that ship has sailed. Maybe he doesn't even want to stay.
If Ugarte goes, we probably need three, which is a lot, especially when you consider other needs in the squad.
So it would actually make sense short term to let Ugarte go - as he's giving us nothing - but keep Casemiro for another year, on reduced wages, so that we don't need that third midfielder this summer.
But it seems that ship has sailed. Maybe he doesn't even want to stay.
Oh yeah, that had absolutely nothing to do with being managed by a fecking ego maniac who turned out to likely be the worst, self sabotaging wanker in our history.
It’s clearly because we had a player, who this season has been one of the top midfielders in the league and who has eaten the likes of Rice for breakfast, in midfield.
It's been pretty clear that he's leaving.
There is an argument to keep for another year for his influence and to play some of the European games etc. However, that only makes sense if he takes a massive paycut. £350k a week when he can't play the full 90 even once a week is madness.
There is an argument to keep for another year for his influence and to play some of the European games etc. However, that only makes sense if he takes a massive paycut. £350k a week when he can't play the full 90 even once a week is madness.
How have we gotten that he’s staying from that clip? That doesn’t suggest that, at all?
He’s gone.
He’s gone.
There's nothing in that to suggest he's staying. It's a goodbye and thank you message to the club, fans and the city.
There's nothing emotional about it. If there is a reasonable way to keep him for another season we need to do it. Of all the names we've talked about as Casemiro replacements -- Baleba, Anderson, Tonali, Wharton -- not one of them is capable right now of doing the job that Casemiro has done for us this season and gives us reason to believe he can do it again next season as we make a serious push for the PL and CL trophies...we'll come up short in both but we could make a serious push for both with shrewed player retooling. We toiled in misery under Amorim but Carrick showed that with a few tweaks we can actually win some games...and with a few new players to fill some gaps we might be able to raise more than a few eyebrows.
That said, it looks like Casemiro is definitely on the way out for that huge payday, whether in Saudi or USA. And even if he reopens the door to us, we can't spend 350k/week on him next season and he would want two seasons in any event.
That said, it looks like Casemiro is definitely on the way out for that huge payday, whether in Saudi or USA. And even if he reopens the door to us, we can't spend 350k/week on him next season and he would want two seasons in any event.
Nothing you have said disproves the value of experience or leadership. Casemiro clearly also brings more to the table than just that.
You beat me to it. Dozens of managers would have beaten Spurs in that final with Casemiro starting for United.
I mean, it’s pretty fecking crystal clear now that had say, Michael Carrick been managing last season, we’d have finished NOWHERE near 15th and we’d have won that EL final.
But sure, let’s pretend that result was somehow Casemiro’s fault and that we’d have finished 4th and won the final if we just had Zubimendi playing instead of him.
The sooner fans realise that our past two seasons were down to absolute numpty coaches with some batshit crazy tactics, the better. You’d have thought the absolute night and day difference from Amorim to Carrick would’ve woken people up, but alas.
If they want to keep him for another year it'll never be on 350k pw, the club, the fans and Casemiro himself know that is not realistic.
My preference is keep him for at least another year on reduced wages and perfomance/appearance related bonuses. This will reduce the pressure on us to get midfielders. It's a smart move.
Keep Casemiro, get rid of Ugarte and buy at least two midfielders. If we opted to let Casemiro leave as well, it puts us in a precarious position.
Think he’d be great for whatever new signing we bring in to learn from for one year…but not gonna happen sadly
Some people just want him to leave so Kobbie becomes a undisputed starter which I oppose heavily. Kobbie got some good tools in his toolbox but thats all there is just tools with no function. We need to keep Cas and buy two midfielder to see over the transition before we part ways with him.
Strange point given that Kobbie is currently a starting player and wouldn't be competing with Casemiro for a first team spot anyway.
Our requirement isn’t of a raw talent that needs Casemiro’s handholding.
It’s best for everyone that he leaves. At his age the chances of a massive drop off back to his levels of a not so long back are very high.
Well we have been mostly linked with projects rather then ready made midfield generals.
Of course he’s leaving, let him go on a high. He can’t play two games a week and next season we’re certainly going to have European fixtures and (I would assume) more domestic cup games than we’ve had in 25/26. Case has been brilliant and I love the bloke, but we need to recruit his replacement asap and build for the future. He’s too critical to our team right now to hold on to him and have him be a part timer next year.
It sounds like it's the players own decision more than anything. If he's bowing out or not interested in signing the extension year it's probably because he's finding it harder each year and he just doesn't want to go through it all again next season, it's a really tough physical league these days. He can get a good long contract elsewhere on big money off the back of this season. Maybe not so much if his form falls off or he naturally becomes a bit part player next year. The club has to let him go on a free either way so it's not really in the players interest to sit out another year
How good he has been this season has been exaggerated, our standards are so low in midfield that people get carried away. He also won’t want to stay on a one year deal on massively reduced wages as a squad player.
The time is right for all parties to move on and we need to finally address the midfield an stop making do.
The time is right for all parties to move on and we need to finally address the midfield an stop making do.
Exaggerated? Casemiro has in fact been outstanding for us this season. Some of the ones being mentioned as possible successors, such as Baleba, who performed nowhere near the level of Casemiro this season.
That said, all the arguments for not bringing Caseniro back for another season are well taken. They’re not not debatable arguments, but are very well taken nonetheless.