One year would be good businesses. Our new MFs can easily flop or need some time. Mainoo can't play one man mf.
Official: Casemiro to leave at the end of the season | Maybe?
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Depending on who we sign, he most likely would be. Casemiro is our best CM and I’ve been saying that for 18 months now. Signing any of Anderson, Wharton or Baleba is for from a sure thing in terms of improvement as they’re all inconsistent. But I think they all bring more to the table than Kobbie.
They literally don't play the same position or do the same things. How would Kobbie and Casemiro be competing for the same place?
It just sounds like conspiracy theory type stuff from someone who apparently is in the minority who don't rate Mainoo at all. People are ok with Casemiro leaving because he's on the decline, can't play 90 mins once a week when we'll likely have two a week most of the season and his wages are extremely high. It's nothing to do with anyone being a Kobbie fan-boy.
We need keep him for 1 more season. His experience in CL is invaluable and he will be great mentor for the incoming CMs.
I'd keep him for another year, bolster the midfield and manage his time so that he is available and 100% for the big games.
Why are people talking about one more year?
The player and club have already confirmed he's leaving.
The player and club have already confirmed he's leaving.
My thoughts, also. However, he's well within his right to change his mind and if the club are willing to give him another year, then I believe it'd be a win win for both parties.
I may be being a tad harsh here given he'll probably command huge wages in a MLS or a Saudi Pro league but at this stage, i'd only be looking an attempting a mind change if he'd do a Huddlestone type of role now. Mainly passing on knowledge to the next generation but being on hand if ever required.
I know that won't happen, so lets enjoy the games he has left and hope he continues to play well.
I know that won't happen, so lets enjoy the games he has left and hope he continues to play well.
Things can change
In the latest interview where he's asked about "one more year?" he answered all the questions in Portugese. Reminds me of Valencia where he never really learned the lingo.
He’s always said twice it’s done and he’s leaving
This is exactly my point, he hasn’t been outstanding, we are weak in midfield and there is huge scope for improvement. Baleba isn’t even good enough for Brighton at the moment so I have no idea why we get linked to him but we really don’t need to make do with Casemiro for another year.
And this pipe dream people have that we can keep him for another year on half the money is never going to happen.
How can that be exactly your point when I argued that he has in fact been outstanding? Maybe I'm wrong and that Casemiro has been a disgrace for us this season, but I don't know anyone, apart from you, who argues that he has been anything less than outstanding this season.
All your other points are reasonable -- although I would have Baleba if we could get him for 40m as the Ugarte replacement and bring in a superior central midfielder to replace Casemiro who can play at either 6 or 8 (Anderson ticks all the boxes). As for Casemiro himself, yeah I think he's gone but if I were on the board I would make the case to Case that one last run in the CL would be a glorious way to end his career in European football and then he can go have a ball in Saudi and make all kinds of money he can never possibly spend.
It’s one extreme to the other, the alternative to outstanding isn’t a disgrace. He clearly hasn’t played at a level that should be described as outstanding and you wouldn’t have to look hard to find people who agree.
He’s a shadow of the player but overall this season he has done a lot better than we could have expected. He’s been outstanding at times and teams have ran rings round him a lot as well.
We are weak in midfield and part of that is because of his limitations and the board are entirely correct not committing to spending another 15m in wages on him.
I mean statistically he’s in the top three best performing in his position this season in the PL?
Which statistics?
Depends where you get your stats from, you look at somewhere like Squawka and he’s not even in the top 10 best midfielders this season.
Because he is a top Pro who could help us ease our way back into Europe whilst the new CMs settle. The problem we have right now is that we don't have anyone good enough to effectively rotate him but if we do get a couple of CMs in then he could play a squad role more effectively that any player available on the market.
He's such a top pro He's finally turned up in the last year of his contract after years of not being fit enough and phoning it in.
This is such a bad take.
He looked unfit and unable to play during the time Ten Hag insisted on playing him as a single DM having to cover huge gaps all over the pitch. Even prime Kante would have looked a lost cause
That's all just theatre until his inevitable walk on to the stage at the last home game with a mic to shout "I'm not feckin' leavin'." And as the crowd cheers wildly he chews on some of the acorns he stores in his cheek pouch.
He looked unfit because he wasn't fit enough.
People have been giving him credit this season for actually being fit!
All it does is annoy me that he didn't make more effort over the last few years.
Most teams play with a single DM. If he can't play as a single DM then that's yet another reason to move him on.
Shadow of what player? Himself at peak Casemiro, sure, but he’s been one of the best players on the squad this season. Perhaps that’s not saying much for some, but Casemiro really has been crucial to our recent run of form of late, after having been out in an impossible role under Amorim.
It’s this last point, Casemiro being out in an impossible role under Amorim but having been brilliant under Carrick, that merits greater appreciation. Exactly no one was pulling up trees under Amorim. But under Carrick our midfield has been reborn and we’ve taken gobs of points to where we’re now a virtual lock for a CL spot — which was unimaginable under Amorim. Casemiro has been an important part of our fantastic run under Carrick that will lead to whatever the financial windfall we’ll enjoy by virtue of being in the CL next season. In other words, the 15m we spent on Casemiro this season has been worth every penny.
If we could be confident that Casemiro could maintain this form next season it would be a no-brainer to re-sign him. But there is a real risk of a drop off in form due to age. But we just can’t use his current outstanding form as an argument to not bring him back for another season.
There's a lot of revolutionism on here!
He was put in an impossible position under Ten Hag, then another impossible one under Amorim but then ten games under Carrick and he deserves a new contract.
This is EXACTLY the sort of mistake the old Man United would have made.
The fact that we are letting him go is a good indication that we are being run far more sensibly now.
He was put in an impossible position under Ten Hag, then another impossible one under Amorim but then ten games under Carrick and he deserves a new contract.
This is EXACTLY the sort of mistake the old Man United would have made.
The fact that we are letting him go is a good indication that we are being run far more sensibly now.
It’s always an impossible role when he doesn’t play well, Bournemouth were running rings round him the other day. I’m sure that was someone else’s fault and he was still outstanding somehow. He’s been very good in some games under Carrick and very poor in others as well.
He gets away with a lot because of his reputation and he gets some important goals but throughout his time with us his performances have fluctuated massively. He’s never justified his salary since he’s been here, you don’t pay someone over 300k a week to play well for half a season which is all he’s ever managed. He’s never been able to maintain good form since he joined so there’s absolutely no reason to suspect he would next season.
60m transfer fee. If you have to add on 33% you've clearly lost the argument already.
Didn’t realise it was an argument. You forgot about the entire transfer fee.
Ok the 'debate', if you prefer. It was 60m plus potential 10m success based add-ons, and as discussed in numerous sources recently essentially none of those were triggered.
The deal for Manchester United was £60M + £10M in add-ons
•Winning the league
•Champions League success
•Appearance-related clauses
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This is a new level of internet shite. 10 Hag and Amorim are proven spoofers. Casemiro is one of the best midfielders in the world over his career, whose talent was wasted by those 2 spoofer managers.
Today, he is one of the first names on our teamsheet, if he is injured or suspended we are worried.
Next season we most likely have 60 games, letting him walk is pure stupidity.
Strange to pick Casemiro out for a lack of effort. It’s literally the last thing you can say about him since he’s been at the club.
I get the feeling there is just a bittersweet ending for club and player here. United want to move on and Case is on a serious amount of money. If he signed a new 1 year it would be at a vastly reduced level and within a budget that probably doesnt suit Case (as he will likely earn more elsewhere) so it won't happen, even though it would be a shrewd move if he hadn't been brought in on such exorbitant money to begin with.
It's not about blaming Casemiro, but it's about perspective. We can't credit his experience when we're doing well, and then suddenly accept it's irrelevant when we're shit. We do well when the squad, tactics and circumstances are favourable, that's what our focus should be on, our focus should not be on paying huge wages to 34 year olds just because they're old as if that's a value that's going to bring us success.
I'm far more concerned about replacing his progressive passing, ball winning and aerial ability than I am about some mythical magical "experience" and "leadership". If you think he's one of the best midfielders in the world still, then we'd obviously be keeping him on that basis, we don't need to push a mythology around the power of being in your mid 30s and past your prime as if that's an attribute in itself.
The constant framing of old players having some sort of mystical powers of making everyone around them better I just simply don't buy, we've had enough wise old heads over the years whilst we've been shit for me to think it's absolutely overstated. Just build a squad of elite players in their prime and you'll compete for the big trophies.
Dozens of teams have managed to be better than us over the last few years at various points and they've all managed to achieve that without Casemiro in their team. So although I'd be fine to keep him another year, I'm not buying into the doom and gloom of losing him due to "experience".
It's more a sign of where we've been at in the post Sir Alex years.
Casemiro stands out amongst a sea of shite.
Even now he struggles to play at a high level for more than 60 minutes.
If we bring in a top level replacement we can win the title next season.
Look at Salah and Van Dijk now, that will likely be Casemiro next season, and everyone will be saying why did we renew him instead of signing...
We have to move forward as a club.
The myth that he can't play for 90 is still.going??
He quite clearly can, and even if he can't, to have a player like Casemiro for certain games/moments is invaluable.
The fact that you've already made your mind that he will be crap next season makes your opinion moot and void.
We have no way of telling what Casemiro will be like next season, but given his professionalism throughout his career and his fitness this curtailed season, I'd say he'd be a very good squad player to have.
I don’t think anyone calling for one more year is suggesting it would be in the same capacity the renewals of VVD or Salah were.
More of a passing of the torch to whoever comes in, rather than being the main man.
Going into next season with potentially only Mainoo as a starting CM if Ugarte goes too and relying on the club getting the signings right is an incredible risk.
Hes not gonna stay I accept that. Would it be great if he did of course.
But what happens if he does stay and we sign 1 or 2 midfielders and they are excelling without Casemiro in midfield? Hes not gonna be happy being on the bench most times, us fans wouldnt be happy if our manager chopped and changed a solid midfield just for Casemiro to play.
In that scenario all it would take is a horror show from Casemiro and everybody be cursing him playing and the fact we kept him another year. All hypothetical but could see it happen.
But what happens if he does stay and we sign 1 or 2 midfielders and they are excelling without Casemiro in midfield? Hes not gonna be happy being on the bench most times, us fans wouldnt be happy if our manager chopped and changed a solid midfield just for Casemiro to play.
In that scenario all it would take is a horror show from Casemiro and everybody be cursing him playing and the fact we kept him another year. All hypothetical but could see it happen.
It's not a myth.
He's only completed 90 minute's ten times this season, and that's in a season with no European football.
Do you think that will get worse or better next year?
Ah yes, the famous professionalism that improved in the final year of his contract!
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What happens if he stays so we miss out on a player that would have been a brilliant replacement?
If he leaves then we have to replace him.
Our recruitment has been really good recently so I'd back them to bring in a better player.
Sir Alex always tended to know when to move a player on and upgrade them.
Now is that time for Casemiro.
I agree with that. Id only accept him staying if it doesnt change the transfer plans for midfield. If him staying means oh we dont need to sign someone else then no I cant get on board with that.
If we knew what his plans were then it would help. If he was going to MLS to earn a fortune on a 1 or 2 year deal I wouldn't begrudge him of that and wouldnt even bother trying to persuade him. But if he was going back to Spain to a lower club on low wages then makes sense we could convince him.
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