Official: Casemiro to leave at the end of the season

[Rolaholic]

 

[davidmichael]

If he is happy on 50% of his current wage and as a squad option then I’m all for it as he’s a squad leader, a mentor to younger players and experienced at the highest level which is massively needed in our squad due to a lack of trophies in our squad.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

If he is happy on 50% of his current wage and as a squad option then I’m all for it as he’s a squad leader, a mentor to younger players and experienced at the highest level which is massively needed in our squad due to a lack of trophies in our squad.

Most people are of the same opinion. But it does need a drastic wage cut, and he can’t be a nailed on starter as we need at least one starting midfielder in the summer.

I don’t see it happening.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Most people are of the same opinion. But it does need a drastic wage cut, and he can’t be a nailed on starter as we need at least one starting midfielder in the summer.

I don’t see it happening.

Maybe they can structure something that’s an acceptable basic (in our new limit.. seemingly £200k since last two years?) but with add ons for certain things.

Even then, not sure that’s fair on others as the TEAM would earn those add ons probably.

 

[Raoul]

Pay him whatever he wants. It will still be a drop in the bucket compared to having to spend upwards of £150m for two new midfielders. The club will no doubt be well aware of this.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Pay him whatever he wants. It will still be a drop in the bucket compared to having to spend upwards of £150m for two new midfielders. The club will no doubt be well aware of this.

Ridiculous. “Pay them whatever they want”. No.

We need those midfielders anyway, Casimero if he stays would be a squad player. We know he can’t cope with the no of games we will have - he would be a big bus to have on the squad, and a wage would need to reflect that.

 

[Raoul]

Ridiculous. “Pay them whatever they want”. No.

We need those midfielders anyway, Casimero if he stays would be a squad player. We know he can’t cope with the no of games we will have - he would be a big bus to have on the squad, and a wage would need to reflect that.

None of them will offer the experience and leadership Casemiro does, so no point in spending ridiculous sums if we can pay Casemiro a wage that he's comfortable with. We can still buy Anderson and probably cheaper, younger CM to replace Ugarte and still come out ahead. Then spend the rest of the money on a LB or LW.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

None of them will offer the experience and leadership Casemiro does, so no point in spending ridiculous sums if we can pay Casemiro a wage that he's comfortable with. We can still buy Anderson and probably cheaper, younger CM to replace Ugarte and still come out ahead. Then spend the rest of the money on a LB or LW.

If he gets paid as a squad player. Then great. But that’s wildly different to “pay them whatever they want” remembering he’s one of the top 5 best paid players in the league.

 

[Raoul]

If he gets paid as a squad player. Then great. But that’s wildly different to “pay them whatever they want” remembering he’s one of the top 5 best paid players in the league.

He wouldn't be a squad player though - he's the starting midfielder at Manchester United, the Brazil captain, and a five time CL winner who will be pivotal for us in Europe next year. He should be able to determine his own wages (within reason), especially after his contributions this year.

 

[AndySmith1990]

He wouldn't be a squad player though - he's the starting midfielder at Manchester United, the Brazil captain, and a five time CL winner who will be pivotal for us in Europe next year. He should be able to determine his own wages (within reason), especially after his contributions this year.

He would be a squad player though. He's 34, and we'll be in the CL and looking to improve the team to get closer to the title. Not even the oil clubs would pay him "whatever he wants"

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He wouldn't be a squad player though - he's the starting midfielder at Manchester United, the Brazil captain, and a five time CL winner who will be pivotal for us in Europe next year. He should be able to determine his own wages (within reason), especially after his contributions this year.

Disagree. For us to progress, no he shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter. He starts now because there’s literally no one else.

Even with us playing the lowest no. of games in over 100 years, he’s gassed often after an hour.

He’s clearly no longer the player he once was. If he stays, he will no doubt have some good games, but no he won’t be pivotal, he does not have the legs.

 

[Raoul]

He would be a squad player though. He's 34, and we'll be in the CL and looking to improve the team to get closer to the title. Not even the oil clubs would pay him "whatever he wants"

He would be our starting CM next year - otherwise there wouldn't be much point.

As for the latter bit, the oil clubs in Saudi definitely would (even though he's rumored to be MLS bound). It would be far cheaper for us to keep him for another year in conjunction with a new midfielder instead of buy two expensive midfielders. I'd much rather have a combination of Casemiro, Anderson, Mainoo, and one more, than be in the CL next year without Casemiro available.

 

[Raoul]

Disagree. For us to progress, no he shouldn’t be a guaranteed starter. He starts now because there’s literally no one else.

Even with us playing the lowest no. of games in over 100 years, he’s gassed often after an hour.

He’s clearly no longer the player he once was. If he stays, he will no doubt have some good games, but no he won’t be pivotal, he does not have the legs.

I look at it this way - if we're in the CL, we're look at upwards of 60 plus fixtures in all comps. That's a massive amount of extra games from this year's mostly league only schedule, so we are going to need a lot of depth and experience to get us there. Casemiro obviously wont start every game, but he would be a pivotal player who starts in many of them, especially the big ones. If we buy Anderson, retain Mainoo and Casemiro and possibly buy a younger cheap CM, that should be enough imo.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Yes please. I know he will have to be used sparingly, especially with so many games next year, but he's such a big game player that we'd be foolish to not have a proper transition year (or years) with a new DM coming in as his understudy/competitor.

He's elite even now that he's a pensioner. And the romantic in me also wants him to leave us on a high, not just a season where we get CL qualification. He came here for the challenge and to see where the club has gone from when he joined us to now is a story I want to see continue.

 

[The Cat]

Yes please. I know he will have to be used sparingly, especially with so many games next year, but he's such a big game player that we'd be foolish to not have a proper transition year (or years) with a new DM coming in as his understudy/competitor.

He's elite even now that he's a pensioner. And the romantic in me also wants him to leave us on a high, not just a season where we get CL qualification. He came here for the challenge and to see where the club has gone from when he joined us to now is a story I want to see continue.

Yes please. +1.

 

[VP89]

Never heard of that source

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I look at it this way - if we're in the CL, we're look at upwards of 60 plus fixtures in all comps. That's a massive amount of extra games from this year's mostly league only schedule, so we are going to need a lot of depth and experience to get us there. Casemiro obviously wont start every game, but he would be a pivotal player who starts in many of them, especially the big ones. If we buy Anderson, retain Mainoo and Casemiro and possibly buy a younger cheap CM, that should be enough imo.

He’s still not starting every game, far from it.

As said previously, on a salary that’s commensurate with a reduced role, that’s ok.

But categorically he’s nowhere near a standard of “pay him whatever he wants”.

On a vastly reduced wage, then yes he would be beneficial to the squad, if not we move on.

 

[Raoul]

He’s still not starting every game, far from it.

As said previously, on a salary that’s commensurate with a reduced role, that’s ok.

But categorically he’s nowhere near a standard of “pay him whatever he wants”.

On a vastly reduced wage, then yes he would be beneficial to the squad, if not we move on.

He's starting most games now, so that wouldn't change. And I don't think United would attempt to reenter into negotiations this late if they simply viewed him as little more than a squad player.

 

[Roboc7]

It’s time to move on, he’s done a decent job this season but I think the level he has been playing at has been over rated. He’s also had a very up and down career at Utd since he joined, we’ve seen way to many performances like last night where he just can’t keep up with the pace of the game.

I think we’d regret keeping him beyond this season and still expect him to leave.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He's starting most games now, so that wouldn't change. And I don't think United would attempt to reenter into negotiations this late if they simply viewed him as little more than a squad player.

You can’t seem to comprehend that there will be a different context next season.

We are buying at least one midfielder, irrespective of whether he stays. That player will expect to start.

So yes, it will change!

He has no competition at the moment, and only a game a week. Next season will be very different.

 

[Raoul]

You can’t seem to comprehend that there will be a different context next season.

We are buying at least one midfielder, irrespective of whether he stays. That player will expect to start.

So yes, it will change!

He has no competition at the moment, and only a game a week. Next season will be very different.

I don't disagree. The different context will be that we're in the CL and may have a different manager. If we get Enrique, there's no guarantee we will buy the midfielders we've been previously linked with and I don't think Mainoo would necessarily be an automatic starter either.

 

[Scandi Red]

Pay him whatever he wants.

I agree. Stuff those glorious cheeks with cash!

 

[Godfather]

Get Guimaraes and keep him and we look good for next season.

If Ugarte leaves get a (young) guy in as squad option

 

[M Bison]

I can’t see him signing another contract personally, I do think it’s the right thing for him, if he were to leave at end of season. Realistically he’s on his last legs, still a massive part of the team but is fading.

We all know how these things go, if he stayed and was struggling he’d become a joke and a meme, the fans would start to resent him. Going this season, he’s still done well and will be remembered fondly.

 

[Hester_manc]

He has had a fine season, but I think it is time to let him go. If possible... replace him with Wharton.

 

[Escobar]

It’s time to move on, he’s done a decent job this season but I think the level he has been playing at has been over rated. He’s also had a very up and down career at Utd since he joined, we’ve seen way to many performances like last night where he just can’t keep up with the pace of the game.

I think we’d regret keeping him beyond this season and still expect him to leave.

And he wont get better. We saw yesterday that overall, he is done. Time to move on

 

[Dominos]

Pay him whatever he wants. It will still be a drop in the bucket compared to having to spend upwards of £150m for two new midfielders. The club will no doubt be well aware of this.

We need two midfielders if he stays, and 3 if he leaves.

We need 4 options for the two midfield spots especially given we'll be back in Europe.

Currently it's looking likely we'll have just Mainoo in midfield next season (Casemiro and Ugarte will leave).

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

It would be a huge mistake, Its clearly visible his legs have gone and against any team with high intensity, which is basically all PL away matches and 50% home matches (where teams try to press us), he struggles soo much and we are constantly overrun.

The only possible acceptable option is if he accept a 1 year deal at 100 to 120k as a squad rotation option for few CPL matches where intensity is slow or some cup or league games where we are expected to completely dominate and other team is expected to sit at the edge of box with 10 men. But we should still sign 2 top class Cms this summer. Casemiro and Mainoo to be subs and maybe play mix and match with others depending on the match.

 

[Parma Dewol]

He wouldn’t be able to play week in week out, but could surely still contribute in a meaningful way.

We lack quality, leadership, experience and depth in a lot of areas. If there’s any possibility to keep a five times Champions League winner, we must.

 

[DOTA]

We'd regret it.

 

[SuperiorXI]

Just offer him a 1+1 with performance and fitness incentives on a decent wage. He'd be useful for 1 more year.

 

[Dominos]

We lack quality, leadership, experience and depth in a lot of areas. If there’s any possibility to keep a five times Champions League winner, we must.

I'm not against keeping him on reduced terms as long as we sign 2 midfielders.

But I just don't buy the supposed value of keeping old players for the sake of "experience" and "leadership". We just finished 8th and 15th with his incredible leadership and experience. What would we have been without his experience and leadership, relegated?

What will improve this team is signing quality players in their prime who can go into the starting 11.

Arsenal are somehow top of the league and still in all the cup competitions without the need for a 34 year old five time champions league winner in their squad. They just bought a load of good players in their prime and are getting their reward.

 

[Carl]

We'd regret it.

We'd only regret it if he was still our best midfielder. I dont think anyone is advocating keeping him on as our main midfielder like now. He'd be extremely useful in the squad though and particularly in Europe where the pace is still much slower.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

We'd regret it.

I’m with Carl here.

If he’s on seriously reduced wages then I think it’s an absolute no brainer. The problem comes if he’s still by far our best midfielder come August.
If we wanna challenge again, Cas and and at at least one top quality midfielder needs to be brought in. Without Cas we need at least two top quality midfielders and I’m not certain we’ll manage it. We’ll almost certainly get one wrong.

 

[Parma Dewol]

I'm not against keeping him on reduced terms as long as we sign 2 midfielders.

But I just don't buy the supposed value of keeping old players for the sake of "experience" and "leadership". We just finished 8th and 15th with his incredible leadership and experience. What would we have been without his experience and leadership, relegated?

What will improve this team is signing quality players in their prime who can go into the starting 11.

Arsenal are somehow top of the league and still in all the cup competitions without the need for a 34 year old five time champions league winner in their squad. They just bought a load of good players in their prime and are getting their reward.

You make a good point, and I do agree we would still need to sign two midfielders even if we were to keep Cas.

I always think that to build a top side you need players all over the park (and on the bench) capable of putting in a MOTM performance, meaning they contribute enough to get the team over the line. On his day Cas can still do that.

Interesting you mention Arsenal. Looking at their team sheet I count 10 or so players I think could turn a match through a top performance.

We absolutely need more quality players. In a perfect world I’d like to keep Cas and have incomings, but with our finances that’s probably unrealistic.

 

[r0663664]

Keeping Casemiro is now a financial question and Casemiro willingness to compromise. It is unlikely any big club will sign him on massive wages, I can't see anyone except going to Saudi. There is ongoing war in middle east so I think it is unlikely he would go. As long as he is open taking a wages cut maybe 35-40%, we can keep him for another year or 2. He has become one of our top scoring midfield, whoever we buy is unlikely scoring as regularly as Casemiro.

 

[Red00012]

It’s time for him to go , we need an upgrade on him especially with CL next season. He’s been good but at times our midfield have been destroyed by teams . Bournemouth must have ran through our midfield 4/5 times last night .

 

[2 man midfield]

If he wants to take a 50% pay cut then I don't see why not. I think his good form this season is largely down to the reduced amount of games and reduced amount of running. So it depends what happens next season - If we get Nagelsmann and CL football then he can't be a starter.

 

[Raoul]

You make a good point, and I do agree we would still need to sign two midfielders even if we were to keep Cas.

I always think that to build a top side you need players all over the park (and on the bench) capable of putting in a MOTM performance, meaning they contribute enough to get the team over the line. On his day Cas can still do that.

Interesting you mention Arsenal. Looking at their team sheet I count 10 or so players I think could turn a match through a top performance.

We absolutely need more quality players. In a perfect world I’d like to keep Cas and have incomings, but with our finances that’s probably unrealistic.

Signing two would probably happen anyway given that we're probably losing Ugarte and the jury is still out on whether Mainoo can be a consistent starter.

 

[DJ_21]

He’d be useful to have next season… especially since we’ll be playing twice a week and in 4 competitions. He’s a massive threat on set pieces and will chip in with goals.