Official: Casemiro to leave at the end of the season

I hadn't noticed the "Maybe?" In the thread title and thought it was new. I'm annoyed that there's no new info and he's probably still leaving.

Actually I'm livid. I'm livid that he's clearly not losing his ability and we're letting him go without a proper succession plan. I'm annoyed that we'll have more games next season and it's the perfect year to transition from him to a replacement whilst making sure both players get plenty of playing time. But most of all I'm pissed off by the thread title because I'm hanging it out right now and there's no news to tug to.
 
It makes sense for him to go now on a relative high.

He's 34, he doesn't have much left in the tank in the Premier League. I'd rather he went now than wait for his legs to go.
 
led_scholes said:
I m torn. I want him to stay but I get the wages are an issue. Also, given his age and the games we are going to play he will struggle to be a starter. However, i think he will be very good for CL. Even in his worst year here, he was good at the lower pace of Europa League.
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They're not an issue at all. They would be more of an issue if we kept players like Sancho, Onana and Rashford but we're not. It opens a massive amount for us to be able to pay one of the best midfielders in the league what he deserves. We're not upgrading on Casemiro, and we're in Champions League next season. We need all the quality we can get.
 
He has been great this season, it´s still the right decision. Hope he goes out on a high, he will be remembered fondly here. Getting a top replacement should be top priority but not sure there is anybody that can.
 
I think ideally you convince him to sign on for a short contract. Tell him if at any point next season he feels like he's done we'll respect that. If we could get a few months out of him next season it would help a great detail.
 
arthurka said:
He has been great this season, it´s still the right decision. Hope he goes out on a high, he will be remembered fondly here. Getting a top replacement should be top priority but not sure there is anybody that can.
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That’s the problem. There is no central midfielder on the planet right now who is playing at the level of Casemiro. Right now, that is, but what he’ll be capable of next season is the open question. If we could pull it off I’d love to see him stay on for one more season but it seems written in stone that he’s off into the sunset of MLS or maybe Saudi.
 
arthurka said:
He has been great this season, it´s still the right decision. Hope he goes out on a high, he will be remembered fondly here. Getting a top replacement should be top priority but not sure there is anybody that can.
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It's only the right decision if we've an acceptable replacement lined up. Which I have my doubts we do.
 
lex talionis said:
That’s the problem. There is no central midfielder on the planet right now who is playing at the level of Casemiro. Right now, that is, but what he’ll be capable of next season is the open question. If we could pull it off I’d love to see him stay on for one more season but it seems written in stone that he’s off into the sunset of MLS or maybe Saudi.
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I think like Giggs, Scholes and, to a lesser extent, Rio; Casemiro can be effective for a couple of years provided he is managed correctly. If we reduce his appearances to once a week, sixty minutes and subbed off, then he can extend his stay at the top. He is an absolute legend of the game, he has Championship winning pedigree and he is someone we should want around for a year longer, at least.
 
AneRu said:
I think like Giggs, Scholes and, to a lesser extent, Rio; Casemiro can be effective for a couple of years provided he is managed correctly. If we reduce his appearances to once a week, sixty minutes and subbed off, then he can extend his stay at the top. He is an absolute legend of the game, he has Championship winning pedigree and he is someone we should want around for a year longer, at least.
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I think so too, but in defense of whose who stand behind not even bothering to keep Casemiro there are some great prospects now in the market who may not be in the market next season. I'd still lean heavily toward keeping Casemiro, though, and still buying those central midfielders whether they are Anderson or maybe even Wharton. But would the likes of Anderson and Wharton be willing to come to United knowing that Casemiro and Mainoo are in the squad? Maybe not.
 
DRJosh said:
Great points. I remember him being heavily criticised in seasons before as many thought his best years were behind him. Especially when he was expected to press. But when used properly, he will always be one of the most intelligent midfielders in world football.
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True

Couple problems:

1. Our Scrooge Mcduck owners have no desire paying anybody $350K/week, unless their name is Bruno (and they tried selling even Bruno last year)
2.Casemiro himself doesnt want to stay and slowly degradr. Which is totally respectable
 
Much better he leaves at the end. He is on a high, found some joy and form recently, plus brings us back into the CL. He needs to be replaced and imagine this thread if his legs are even more gone or him being out of form next season
 
Replacing his goals is the biggest concern but I feel we can get better control in midfield replacing him. His weakness is on the ball which I know isn’t his role but when you have someone like Bruno as part of the midfield 3 the other 2 CM need to be good a passing.

If we could get another season out of him on reduce wages United would be mad not to try. Losing him and trying to sell Ugarte creates a big hole in midfield. I’d argue we already needed 1 midfielder before these 2 left.
 
Great to see a player leaving on a high, rather than stinking out the place. How it should be
 
What a great professional, i hope Jim comes out and recoganises case's contribution after all those early leaks about how ineos considered case's deal was the worst one the club had made in recent years. He has showed his class in his performances and goals. Hopefully he wins the world cup in summer .
 
lex talionis said:
I think so too, but in defense of whose who stand behind not even bothering to keep Casemiro there are some great prospects now in the market who may not be in the market next season. I'd still lean heavily toward keeping Casemiro, though, and still buying those central midfielders whether they are Anderson or maybe even Wharton. But would the likes of Anderson and Wharton be willing to come to United knowing that Casemiro and Mainoo are in the squad? Maybe not.
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We aren't getting Anderson, he is City bound. I think Wharton is not necessary as long as we have Mainoo. We need a proper 6 who can hold fort, who excels under pressure and with acceptable passing skills.

Its also a squad game, everyone gets to play an adequate number of minutes throughout the season.
 
AneRu said:
We aren't getting Anderson, he is City bound. I think Wharton is not necessary as long as we have Mainoo. We need a proper 6 who can hold fort, who excels under pressure and with acceptable passing skills.

Its also a squad game, everyone gets to play an adequate number of minutes throughout the season.
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Could we aim just a little higher?
 
AdamColeBebe said:
Could we aim just a little higher?
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I am just thinking of an ideal player to partner Kobie and realistically speaking it's very hard to find a midfielder who can cover Kobie's physical limitations and still be an excellent technician. If they exist they are already signed up by the big guns. Tchouameni would be my ideal signing but Madrid, especially if they get Mourinho, won't sell.
 
AneRu said:
We aren't getting Anderson, he is City bound. I think Wharton is not necessary as long as we have Mainoo. We need a proper 6 who can hold fort, who excels under pressure and with acceptable passing skills.

Its also a squad game, everyone gets to play an adequate number of minutes throughout the season.
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It does seem nailed on that Anderson will go to City, but that could change if Pep leaves. I agree that a proper 6 is the vastly higher priority, but I would like a 8/6 hybrid who can serve in the rotation during a grueling season. For me that doable option is Tonali for the 6.
 
AneRu said:
We aren't getting Anderson, he is City bound. I think Wharton is not necessary as long as we have Mainoo. We need a proper 6 who can hold fort, who excels under pressure and with acceptable passing skills.

Its also a squad game, everyone gets to play an adequate number of minutes throughout the season.
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Is that not Wharton?

I'm not sure he's quick enough but in terms of protecting the back 4 he pretty mich planks himself right in fromt of them doesn't he?

And his ability to receive and pass the ball under pressure is kind of his thing isn't it? He's probably better at that than Casemiro is.
 
lex talionis said:
It does seem nailed on that Anderson will go to City, but that could change if Pep leaves. I agree that a proper 6 is the vastly higher priority, but I would like a 8/6 hybrid who can serve in the rotation during a grueling season. For me that doable option is Tonali for the 6.
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Newcastle would take us to the cleaners regarding a fee and once we get into the territory of what they would consider acceptable then Bruno G becomes the better choice, even at 29.
Marwood said:
Is that not Wharton?

I'm not sure he's quick enough but in terms of protecting the back 4 he pretty mich planks himself right in fromt of them doesn't he?

And his ability to receive and pass the ball under pressure is kind of his thing isn't it? He's probably better at that than Casemiro is.
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Not as a partner to Mainoo with both behind Bruno, no. He just doesn't have the needed intensity and physicality for a permanent role alongside Mainoo.
 
We are going to spend 100 million on a player that isn’t as good. I still think people underrate him here because of bonkers Ten Hag.

He is a modern legend of the game and elevates the team so much. Quality like that is like gold dust. That’s why a 40 years old Modric still makes a noticeable difference at Milan.

If it’s the clubs decision to let him go, it’s a bonkers one. It will be impossible to make up the numbers and retain the quality in the summer. We are lucky to have him and should act like it.

Letting go of a 5 times CL winner in this form on our return to the competition is so very modern United.
 
Top class first and final seasons. I'd be happy to give him one more year given his attitude this year
 
Marwood said:
Is that not Wharton?

I'm not sure he's quick enough but in terms of protecting the back 4 he pretty mich planks himself right in fromt of them doesn't he?
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Wharton is like a feckin' wet paper towel in front of the defence:

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I’d love for him to stick around in like a coaching capacity. His experience and mentality is so much needed in this team. We only really have Bruno as the other leader.
 
AneRu said:
Newcastle would take us to the cleaners regarding a fee and once we get into the territory of what they would consider acceptable then Bruno G becomes the better choice, even at 29.

Not as a partner to Mainoo with both behind Bruno, no. He just doesn't have the needed intensity and physicality for a permanent role alongside Mainoo.
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Depends what you mean take you to the cleaners. I would imagine finishing where they are in the league this year they're gonna need to sell players and Tonali might be the one who's gettable for a decent market value. Certainly rumours seem to suggest he'd be noticeably less expensive than the likes of Anderson or Baleba.
 
We all know he is smart enough and will leave on the highest he could hope before this swansong season... don't we??
 
Maluco said:
We are going to spend 100 million on a player that isn’t as good. I still think people underrate him here because of bonkers Ten Hag.

He is a modern legend of the game and elevates the team so much. Quality like that is like gold dust. That’s why a 40 years old Modric still makes a noticeable difference at Milan.

If it’s the clubs decision to let him go, it’s a bonkers one. It will be impossible to make up the numbers and retain the quality in the summer. We are lucky to have him and should act like it.

Letting go of a 5 times CL winner in this form on our return to the competition is so very modern United.
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Super post.
 
Maluco said:
We are going to spend 100 million on a player that isn’t as good. I still think people underrate him here because of bonkers Ten Hag.

He is a modern legend of the game and elevates the team so much. Quality like that is like gold dust. That’s why a 40 years old Modric still makes a noticeable difference at Milan.

If it’s the clubs decision to let him go, it’s a bonkers one. It will be impossible to make up the numbers and retain the quality in the summer. We are lucky to have him and should act like it.

Letting go of a 5 times CL winner in this form on our return to the competition is so very modern United.
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Agreed.

I've said it before in earlier posts - the cost of paying him whatever wage he wants for another year is far lower than buying some 100m + player who may or may not be as productive for us - both in terms of leadership, passion, headers, and beyond.
 
Does anyone actually know if Casemiro was offered a contract, whether he turned it down if it was?
 
Maluco said:
We are going to spend 100 million on a player that isn’t as good. I still think people underrate him here because of bonkers Ten Hag.

He is a modern legend of the game and elevates the team so much. Quality like that is like gold dust. That’s why a 40 years old Modric still makes a noticeable difference at Milan.

If it’s the clubs decision to let him go, it’s a bonkers one. It will be impossible to make up the numbers and retain the quality in the summer. We are lucky to have him and should act like it.

Letting go of a 5 times CL winner in this form on our return to the competition is so very modern United.
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Bravo. Great post.
 
Maluco said:
We are going to spend 100 million on a player that isn’t as good. I still think people underrate him here because of bonkers Ten Hag.

He is a modern legend of the game and elevates the team so much. Quality like that is like gold dust. That’s why a 40 years old Modric still makes a noticeable difference at Milan.

If it’s the clubs decision to let him go, it’s a bonkers one. It will be impossible to make up the numbers and retain the quality in the summer. We are lucky to have him and should act like it.

Letting go of a 5 times CL winner in this form on our return to the competition is so very modern United.
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100% agree. We could have played prime Makelele in that chaos/suicide ball system that ETH played and he would have looked horrifying.

Case has been a very good signing for us and, even though it won’t happen, I would love for him to stay an extra year.
 
goldenboy said:
Wharton is like a feckin' wet paper towel in front of the defence:
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Not a stats-backed arguement, but he was a monster defensively for Palace tonight against Shakhtar, showing that combination of both being able to break up play and then use the advantage to start offensive movements - that's a rare quality in an individual player, not expecting to outsource to another midfielder to do the other half of the job. A specific opposition, and not a regular pattern of how he plays, but I think he has potential to be more complete than he shows.

For me the worry would be more about his killer instinct in the final third. He's got an absolutely laughable scoring record - no real ability to score from outside the box, not an aerial presence in the box, not an opportunist.

Ultimately a long of saying I think he's wrong for us, but for different reasons. But I wouldn't be totally against a gamble on him.
 
I'd happily reward him with one more year, he was brilliant in his first season and this one, but it looks like the decision is mutual on both sides. I can't help wondering how fantastic he would have been if he'd been at OT in our heyday
 
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