Official: FC Barcelona charged with Corruption over payments to former referees chief | UEFA open investigation

Messi's records/goals/trophies. :lol: :lol:

At this rate Steven Gerrard will have been more successful than him. Anyone going to revive the Maradona v Madonna thread? :wenger:

Poor Pep, at this rate all he will have to console himself with are those Bundesliga titles.
 
That's a real world take. And those sums are extraordinary and the logical assumption is that it cannot have been for mere specialised information. I'd love to get info on the general income that ex ref and his "company" made from other clients.
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It was set up just to receive Barca payments and when the payments went up so did the salaries of the companions directors. His sons. So his sons took the money as wages to give to the father.
 
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It was set up just to receive Barca payments and when the payments went up so did the salaries of the companions directors. His sons. So his sons took the money as wages to give to the father.

That's it then.
 
Are we talking just finals, because what about the teams they knocked out on the road to winning those finals. I'm thinking specifically 2009? :wenger:

United would have won 3-0 in the finals
 
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It was set up just to receive Barca payments and when the payments went up so did the salaries of the companions directors. His sons. So his sons took the money as wages to give to the father.

What has this company's income been like since Barca stopped paying them? Is it an actual legit company, or one of those shell companies set up specifically to receive payments from Barca?
 
Messi's records/goals/trophies. :lol: :lol:

At this rate Steven Gerrard will have been more successful than him. Anyone going to revive the Maradona v Madonna thread? :wenger:

I don’t think they would strip titles, hell I am surprised this wasn’t sweeped under the rug.

At most a fine. All I want really is for Real to not have done any of this shit.
 
You'd think corruption would be less stupid than this.
 
On a positive note, Barcelona will absolutely be storming the Tercera Federacion next season. It will be a real thrill for the part-time bricklayers to get to play against their heroes like DeJong.
 
Uh huh. Totally surprised. Not

The way they have operated over the years, followed by the ridiculous 'levers' nonsense has been farcical. It was funny seeing deluded Barca fans defending it and thinking it'll be without consequence
 
There's another manager who is loving this...


He really knew about this and tried to fight while he was in Spain.
If our club bribed the refs, then punishment is neccessary according to the law .
According to the law... Oh, thats too rich.
What has this company's income been like since Barca stopped paying them? Is it an actual legit company, or one of those shell companies set up specifically to receive payments from Barca?
95% of the company income came from Barca. Two years after Barca stopped paying the ref VP, the company ceased existing.
 
The charge is a logical step after those leaks of course. No one is denying this payment. Now we'll see if barca broke the rules by bribing the refs or really just payed him for consultation as the club tells. If our club bribed the refs, then punishment is neccessary according to the law as well as take away the trophies from that period. If there was no bribing, everyone needs to move on.

According to which rules? I thought it was not possible to take any measure of that nature after 3 years.
 
I'd be over the fecking moon if we get those 2 cl titles but I doubt it would come to pass unfortunately, the implications would be massive.

Although barca did have farcical games in both of those wins, against Chelsea in 2009 and arsenal in 2011.

Knockout competitions are trickier, in a league you can give it to the 2nd place team, like should happen with us if City get punished but in a knockout competition any team they'd knocked out would claim they should have been in the next round instead
 
In a period when they had one of the best sides ever, they still felt the need to cheat. :lol:
 
Knockout competitions are trickier, in a league you can give it to the 2nd place team, like should happen with us if City get punished but in a knockout competition any team they'd knocked out would claim they should have been in the next round instead

Also, nobody ever thinks about the teams that don't compete for the league but may be harmed by decisions that made them not qualify for European trophies or directly get relegated.
 
Pep went from one corrupt club to another. They should start investigating Bayern too.
 
Knockout competitions are trickier, in a league you can give it to the 2nd place team, like should happen with us if City get punished but in a knockout competition any team they'd knocked out would claim they should have been in the next round instead
Yeah it would open whole can of worms so perhaps the more logical conclusion would be to void those titles entirely but even then the outrageous decisions going in their favor is undeniable, in every cl title they won from arsenal to Juventus.
 
Trying to forget about it
No ordinary wins
Typical, predictable
Barca, knew the score before it started
Ref got me feeling like he owes us something
'Cause at times in games he gave us nothing
Then against the run of play
Payment made, time for the shady things they do
Barca we can't forgive you
Don't matter what you say
And whatever you may do
We can't take no more

You've been cheating and it was all lies
You've been making payments left and right
You've been pulling every lever in sight and
You've been feckin around but now you've been found out
It's over now

To Big Ang - Cheating and telling me lies
 
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I happened to be in Spain for vacations a few weeks ago when this news broke and some Barca spokesperson said on TV something like:

"if they were any payments its was only because we wanted an investigation to make sure OTHER TEAMS are not incurring into corrupt practices with the referee team to impair with Barca CF" :wenger::wenger::wenger:

Haha and all that with a straight face

Hope they get relegated
 
This is much worse. At the end they didn’t even get Juve on buying referees (if I remember)and were treated harshly. I’m sure a Juve fan could explain better than any of my attempts

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Its because people from Juve were innocent according to the final sentence in 2013(and 2011). So the club which was hit the most, was in the end found not guilty...

On 15 June 2011, FIGC announced that former Juventus directors Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo would be banned for life from any football-related roles in Italy. But the sentence stated that no Article 6 (about match-fixing or attempted match-fixing) violations were found within the intercepted calls and the season was fair and legitimate. Also no requests for specific referees, no demands for favours and no conversations between Juventus directors and referees themselves were found.

That why Juve is fighting in court to give them back those 2 tittles.
Nope. Juventus and the people involved were cleared by penal justice because all the proof - while obvious - was circumstantial, and penal justice must prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. Which is the same reason why Barcelona and the people involved in this case will get away with it too
 
Always had this impression that referees heavily favorized Barca, even in UCL.
 
I heard on an athletic podcast a couple of weeks ago they cannot be punished in league terms as it is time barred because it happened more than 3 years ago (similar to city). Be interesting to see what happens.
 
Nope. Juventus and the people involved were cleared by penal justice because all the proof - while obvious - was circumstantial, and penal justice must prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. Which is the same reason why Barcelona and the people involved in this case will get away with it too
Juve never had a money trail though. They can’t even bring up a weak defence with any kind of proof.
I can’t see how the prosecutors bring this forward without absolute confidence in their case.
 
Nope. Juventus and the people involved were cleared by penal justice because all the proof - while obvious - was circumstantial, and penal justice must prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. Which is the same reason why Barcelona and the people involved in this case will get away with it too
Negreira has already declared that he was being paid to avoid Barça getting any unfavourable refereering.

Not bad considering the trial hasn't even started.
 
Anyone got a respectable answer for what 8 MILLION Euros buys you from an official if not favours?
 
I don’t think they would strip titles, hell I am surprised this wasn’t sweeped under the rug.

At most a fine. All I want really is for Real to not have done any of this shit.

You're ok. I don't think Madrid have ever done any shit. Like ever. :lol: :wenger:
 
Is this only Spanish league games? They should look into European games, that game in 08/09 at Stamford Bridge was definitely referee rigged.

After the process give us the 09 champions league :wenger:
That game was my immediate thought, it was great entertainment watching Ballack chasing the referee and Drogba losing his mind after the final whistle “It’s a f**ng disgrace”.
 
Juve never had a money trail though. They can’t even bring up a weak defence with any kind of proof.
I can’t see how the prosecutors bring this forward without absolute confidence in their case.
Money trail which isn't illegal in and of itself. Italian courts had Moggi gifting swiss phone cards to the refs, ref designators and FA head honchos...
Negreira has already declared that he was being paid to avoid Barça getting any unfavourable refereering.

Not bad considering the trial hasn't even started.
Has he now? And that would hold up in court? Becauese yeah that makes it more likely they get convincted
 
Partidazo] Extract from the Public Prosecutor's complaint against FC Barcelona for the payments to Enriquez Negreira. "Barça reached an agreement in exchange for money to obtain actions tending to favour the club in the decision making of the referees in the matches".
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Has he now? And that would hold up in court? Becauese yeah that makes it more likely they get convincted
I guess so, as it is a declaration made in public document ("diligencia" to the Spanish Tax Agency) that was leaked but we will see.

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((According to the article 107 Ley General Tributaria:
The "diligencias" made during tax inspections and procedures have the the nature of public documents and prove the facts that motivated their formalization))
 
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That game was my immediate thought, it was great entertainment watching Ballack chasing the referee and Drogba losing his mind after the final whistle “It’s a f**ng disgrace”.

In other circumstances it would have not surprised me to see both of Ballack and Drogba being sent off for that.