Official: Harry Maguire signs a new deal

ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I would bet we are actively looking at a new CB. Clearly midfield is a priority, but this contract is just a sticking plaster - a necessary one because of the other two that we can’t get out on the football field.
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We're unlikely to be able to sell Martinez or De Ligt even if we want to, and we have two very promising young CB's who can can hopefully step up and use those breaches caused by the senior CB's missing matches to gain experience and maybe even overtake them. So I'd expect us to start next season with the same set of CB's we currently have.
 
Not a senseless decision. I like Harry and think he was Onana'd there for a while.
 
Logical decision given we have so many other positions to fill in the summer and we won't have the money to upgrade our CB options.

However I wouldn't mistake that for thinking our CB options are good. We have 3 experienced centre backs who are all varying degrees of injury prone and have zero pace between two any of them - having a painfully slow defence will hold us back as a team. And two young ones who aren't ready yet.

Maguire in the form of his life has given away two pens and got a red card over the last couple of months through being slow and cumbersome.
 
Good choice.
Stability for another year as the midfield revamp is being done.
No way we have enough cash to fix everything immediately, some short-term decisions must be made.
 
Amir said:
We're unlikely to be able to sell Martinez or De Ligt even if we want to, and we have two very promising young CB's who can can hopefully step up and use those breaches caused by the senior CB's missing matches to gain experience and maybe even overtake them. So I'd expect us to start next season with the same set of CB's we currently have.
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I’m not saying we will necessarily buy one. But potentially if the opportunity arises. If the prognosis on De Ligt is particularly bad and/ or we get an offer for Martinez (who we should sell if we can).

Ultimately if the right player comes along, I don’t think Maguire contract stops us signing a new player, but it does mean it’s no longer essential we just buy anyone to fill a slabhead sized hole.
 
His experience and leadership will be even more crucial next season with Casemiro leaving. The way he's bounced back from where he was 3 years or so ago is a fantastic example for the younger players at the club.
 
I've always been pro-Maguire and never understood all the hate. His ability to win air battles and offensive and defensive corners overwhelms any weaknesses in his game. Good decision.
 
A sound decision by the club and the player. Sure, we could have signed a new CB but at the cost of 40m minimum and realistically more like 60m. Whatever is in the transfer watchest is better spent on the two, probably three midfielders, we desperately as well as a LB. And for some a LW as well though the need for a striker to replace Zirkzee is vastly more urgently addressed than a new LW.
 
Deserved. I do worry that his age has crept up on him. 33 isn't exactly ancient - particularly for a defender. But his large frame makes him more prone to degenerative joint issues. It's also going to take more to keep that engine going and when you hit your mid 30s that can take a toll. He deserved his contract extension and, but I feel some unease if we don't prepare for what's probably going to be the inevitable over the next 12-18 months.

When the decline comes because of his frame and previous injury issues I fear it's going to be very rapid. 1 year extension with a further option probably was safest bet. I doubt we'll see a 35 year old Maguire competing for a place in the starting line up very often because of the amount of time I think he's likely to be spending on the treatment table.
 
Ekeke said:
Where does it say anywhere that hes on reduced wages?
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https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...re-signs-manchester-united-contract-extension
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cly92470le8o

Guardian: "The 33-year-old has agreed to wage reduction, with his previous deal – which expires this summer – worth £190,000 a week."
BBC: "The club not releasing details around the new deal, but it is thought Maguire's basic salary has been reduced given he is one of United's highest earners and wage costs are generally coming down."

Doesn't say how much it's been reduced. But clearly he wasn't re-signed on his previous terms.
 
sprezza said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...re-signs-manchester-united-contract-extension
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cly92470le8o

Guardian: "The 33-year-old has agreed to wage reduction, with his previous deal – which expires this summer – worth £190,000 a week."
BBC: "The club not releasing details around the new deal, but it is thought Maguire's basic salary has been reduced given he is one of United's highest earners and wage costs are generally coming down."

Doesn't say how much it's been reduced. But clearly he wasn't re-signed on his previous terms.
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Good news its down but I highly doubt it's come down 80k to his actual worth. Senseless deal. Been paid far too much during his time here, now we've extended it. Thank god Casemiro took it out of the clubs hands or we'd have displayed the same financial sense there.
 
Ekeke said:
Good news its down but I highly doubt it's come down 80k to his actual worth. Senseless deal. Been paid far too much during his time here, now we've extended it. Thank god Casemiro took it out of the clubs hands or we'd have displayed the same financial sense there.
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He’s still our best defender, and means we can concentrate on other areas, and buy us some time before the CB overhaul we need.

There’s nothing negative about this.
 
Ekeke said:
Good news its down but I highly doubt it's come down 80k to his actual worth. Senseless deal. Been paid far too much during his time here, now we've extended it. Thank god Casemiro took it out of the clubs hands or we'd have displayed the same financial sense there.
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Would it not be sensible to wait for more details to emerge before jumping to this conclusion?

(I don't disagree that he's been paid far too much for what he's given us up to this point)
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
He’s still our best defender, and means we can concentrate on other areas, and buy us some time before the CB overhaul we need.

There’s nothing negative about this.
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He's been about as good as Lisandro and De Ligt, but available more than them by 100+ mins. Not a huge amount but certainly more. However our defensive record has been 11th best in the league, just under the half way point. There are CBs on less than half his wages this season (190k) that have done better than our CBs in the premier league this season.

Theres nothing positive about this - Unless the club wants to come out and say that he's on half wages
 
Makes perfect sense with the how the other senior defenders fitness has been, even more so if he acts more like a mentor to the younger defenders. I see him being in a reduced role if one of the other two can stay fit enough.

I echo those above with the statements around the potential transfer plans too, so all round a smart thing to do.
 
sprezza said:
Would it not be sensible to wait for more details to emerge before jumping to this conclusion?

(I don't disagree that he's been paid far too much for what he's given us up to this point)
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What odds will you give that he's decided to stay having been paid £190k at this point, at £100-110k and according to the story turned down more money from other clubs to take that massive cut?
 
Ekeke said:
What odds will you give that he's decided to stay having been paid £190k at this point, at £100-110k and according to the story turned down more money from other clubs to take that massive cut?
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I genuinely don't understand your question as phrased. Are you asking me if I think Maguire is getting £110k/week in his new contract?

Edit: I don't want to run out of posts today so quickly, so I'll say the following in response to your inquiry:

I think it's quite likely that Harry Maguire:
really enjoys playing for Man Utd
has a settled family life in the North West
has higher image rights playing for Man Utd than say, West Ham
can get performance related bonuses such as CL qualification that he couldn't get elsewhere
has been given assurances that he'll still see plenty of game time next season
can still get a weekly wage of £100-120k/week for another year, potentially two with the option
wouldn't get much more by moving to another PL club in another city, so would rather stay where he is
wouldn't get paid more than £100-120k/week at another PL club

Therefore, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Maguire signed a new contract in the £100-120k range

@Ekeke Erm... okay then? You didn't address any of my points. But I'll leave you to it since you'd rather condescend then engage in a discussion. Have a good one!
 
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Ekeke said:
He's been about as good as Lisandro and De Ligt, but available more than them by 100+ mins. Not a huge amount but certainly more. However our defensive record has been 11th best in the league, just under the half way point. There are CBs on less than half his wages this season (190k) that have done better than our CBs in the premier league this season.

Theres nothing positive about this - Unless the club wants to come out and say that he's on half wages
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We defend as a team. Furthermore, let’s remember we had the worst manager in the history of United in charge for most of the season.

There may be players on lower wages, but how many of them are available for free?

We need better players, and we need better CBs - but can only do so much each season. Midfield is a far bigger problem to sort this summer.
 
horsechoker said:
He's got a good touch for a big man
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Like a gazelle filled with chicken dippers, potato waffles and those little magnum ice creams that you end up having two of anyway so it defeats the purpose of buying the mini ones. You fat disgusting piece of shit. No wonder nobody loves you, you fat pig.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
Like a gazelle filled with chicken dippers, potato waffles and those little magnum ice creams that you end up having two of anyway so it defeats the purpose of buying the mini ones. You fat disgusting piece of shit. No wonder nobody loves you, you fat pig.
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The kebab man loves me, I've put his kids through college
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
We defend as a team. Furthermore, let’s remember we had the worst manager in the history of United in charge for most of the season.

There may be players on lower wages, but how many of them are available for free?

We need better players, and we need better CBs - but can only do so much each season. Midfield is a far bigger problem to sort this summer.
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They dont need to be available for free. They arent 33 so they dont need an immediate replacement. They're worth having on a multi year contract so thats why they're worth signing for a fee.

Maguire is once again wasting money on a sunk cost fallacy. He needs to be a first choice every week and playing way better than our other CBs other than De Ligt to be worth his wages even if hes taken a 60k pay cut which I doubt he has. We're essentially wasting money pushing back a problem to the next season. Our defence has come up short more than our midfield this season, granted thats because Casemiro has come into very good form and we had our best player playing there for a while so clearly we do need a signing for midfield regardless. But I dont believe for one second that any midfielder is going to have much of an effect on our defensive record. Thats going to take a defender.
 
sprezza said:
I genuinely don't understand your question as phrased. Are you asking me if I think Maguire is getting £110k/week in his new contract?

Edit: I don't want to run out of posts today so quickly, so I'll say the following in response to your inquiry:

I think it's quite likely that Harry Maguire:
really enjoys playing for Man Utd
has a settled family life in the North West
has higher image rights playing for Man Utd than say, West Ham
can get performance related bonuses such as CL qualification that he couldn't get elsewhere
has been given assurances that he'll still see plenty of game time next season
can still get a weekly wage of £100-120k/week for another year, potentially two with the option
wouldn't get much more by moving to another PL club in another city, so would rather stay where he is
wouldn't get paid more than £100-120k/week at another PL club

Therefore, I don't think it's unreasonable to think Maguire signed a new contract in the £100-120k range
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Im asking how likely you think it is. I think you're dreaming, thinking as a fan and not as someone capable of looking at it from his perspective
 
Ekeke said:
They dont need to be available for free. They arent 33 so they dont need an immediate replacement. They're worth having on a multi year contract so thats why they're worth signing for a fee.

Maguire is once again wasting money on a sunk cost fallacy. He needs to be a first choice every week and playing way better than our other CBs other than De Ligt to be worth his wages even if hes taken a 60k pay cut which I doubt he has. We're essentially wasting money pushing back a problem to the next season. Our defence has come up short more than our midfield this season, granted thats because Casemiro has come into very good form and we had our best player playing there for a while so clearly we do need a signing for midfield regardless. But I dont believe for one second that any midfielder is going to have much of an effect on our defensive record. Thats going to take a defender.
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Nah. Still our best defender. There’s no sunk fallacy cost here. In fact the complete opposite. Compare what a new CB would cost in fee and wages, and what Maguire costs.

You seem to have a deep dislike for him.
 
Gotta say I'm beginning to romanticize Harry and Bruno.

They are the type of players you want at a club in a World of footballers who wants to fantasize about moving clubs.

We've talked about the lack of leaders and a spine for years when the players were Lingard and Pogba.

These two both been here and worked hard through tough times. Leaders.
 
Credit to him for taking pay cut too, He could have earned more if he signs as a free agent somewhere else..
 
Happy that he’s accepting that 1+1 offer. He’s still United most reliable centerback.
 
A valuable player to have on and off the pitch.

His redemption is complete. I was wrong and he proved many of us wrong to come back from rock bottom. Maguire deserves respect for that.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Nah. Still our best defender. There’s no sunk fallacy cost here. In fact the complete opposite. Compare what a new CB would cost in fee and wages, and what Maguire costs.

You seem to have a deep dislike for him.
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No I think he's a decent defender

A decent defender doesn't cost £190k a week in wages

Lisandro was needed in combination with him for us to have a decent defensive record this season, its only been when they played together. So both benefitted from each other. Both have been injured too much, same with De Ligt and while I think Lisandro and Maguire together was clearly our best combination, I do have a little bit of sympathy for De Ligt that when he was playing his best stuff he didnt have a senior CB playing well with him like Maguire and Lisandro had in our Carrick run. So all in all they're about the same.

But Maguire is 33 and has had a long time at the club being paid double his worth. So extending it is an awful decision. As would be not getting a new defender in this summer when we are just under middle of the pack for defensive record. We've already signed a new goalkeeper so its too early to try that again. A defender would be needed to fix our issues there.

Now while I dont have a deep dislike for any current United player including Maguire, I cant say the same for people I think argue on this forum with bad faith. Like suggesting I do dislike a player when I dislike us giving him a fat contract, not because hes picked in the team.
 
Ekeke said:
No I think he's a decent defender

A decent defender doesn't cost £190k a week in wages

Lisandro was needed in combination with him for us to have a decent defensive record this season, its only been when they played together. So both benefitted from each other. Both have been injured too much, same with De Ligt and while I think Lisandro and Maguire together was clearly our best combination, I do have a little bit of sympathy for De Ligt that when he was playing his best stuff he didnt have a senior CB playing well with him like Maguire and Lisandro had in our Carrick run. So all in all they're about the same.

But Maguire is 33 and has had a long time at the club being paid double his worth. So extending it is an awful decision. As would be not getting a new defender in this summer when we are just under middle of the pack for defensive record. We've already signed a new goalkeeper so its too early to try that again. A defender would be needed to fix our issues there.

Now while I dont have a deep dislike for any current United player including Maguire, I cant say the same for people I think argue on this forum with bad faith. Like suggesting I do dislike a player when I dislike us giving him a fat contract, not because hes picked in the team.
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Sounded like you had a big dislike for him. I’ll have to take your word for it. Although, frankly I’m lost on your reasoning why you are so against him signing a new contract on reduced terms.

Who cares what he was paid. Is he worth £130-150k over the next year? Yes.

That’s a fairly simple equation. Again the opposite of your sunk cost fallacy.

He’s been our best defender for a long time.

We need to buy 2 midfielders this summer and they won’t be cheap. A left back should be next in the list. There are other areas we need to improve as well, keeping Maguire for another year alleviates some pressure on the CB issue.

So to paint this as some sort of bleak, dark day in the history of United, is utterly ridiculous. At worst you should be indifferent, rather than doubling down on your disgust for him signing a new contract.
 
Ekeke said:
He's been about as good as Lisandro and De Ligt, but available more than them by 100+ mins. Not a huge amount but certainly more. However our defensive record has been 11th best in the league, just under the half way point. There are CBs on less than half his wages this season (190k) that have done better than our CBs in the premier league this season.

Theres nothing positive about this - Unless the club wants to come out and say that he's on half wages
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You can't just judge on wages alone. What matters is total cost of the player: wages + fee. Maguire has been with us so long there's no wage to amortize any more, which makes his overall cost very reasonable, even if kept at 190k.

It sounds like we may have gotten 150k or so, which I'd say is team friendly. 100k a week is like average PL starter at this point. No way you're signing him for that on a free without a big signing on bonus.
 
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