Official: Harry Maguire signs a new deal

Ish said:
Good decision, IMO. Great experience, reliable and actually a good defender when the system (mid to low block) suits him. My only slight criticism (and it’s more directed at the club and not Maguire) is that we eventually need faster CB’s to move to a higher backline but that’s just a personal preference I guess.
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He shouldn't be our main CB, but unfortunately others are either crooked or still very young.

I reckon that next season, half of our games we'll be on backfoot; either on away games or just the nature of European games. So, Maguire will really have an immense role next season. It's really a no brainer extending his contract, especially with 1+1 contract.
 
Trigestis said:
If your only example of Maguire's brainfarts this season is him conceding a penalty - in the exact same fashion that we were not awarded a penalty in the same game (so his should never have been a penalty) - then you're kind of proving my point how good he has been.

Conceding penalties are always unnecessary one way or another.
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You're being purposely obtuse. You asked for an example, i provided you with the most recent one and now you're resorting to mental gymnastics to deflect from the matter.
 
Fracture90 said:
You're being purposely obtuse. You asked for an example, i provided you with the most recent one and now you're resorting to mental gymnastics to deflect from the matter.
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I asked for an example of a brainfart. You said he was consistently making brainfarts, so I assumed you were talking about the hilarious ones he was making years back. I don't think trying to win a duel in the penalty box to prevent the attacker shooting is a brainfart. You do, hence why I said we have very different definitions. He has been consistently our best CB for two seasons now, and if you took a look in his player performance thread, you'd see that most agree.

You already said you think he's midtable despite him being our best CB and we're third, so this is pointless.
 
Trigestis said:
I asked for an example of a brainfart. You said he was consistently making brainfarts, so I assumed you were talking about the hilarious ones he was making years back. I don't think trying to win a duel in the penalty box to prevent the attacker shooting is a brainfart. You do, hence why I said we have very different definitions. He has been consistently our best CB for two seasons now, and if you took a look in his player performance thread, you'd see that most agree.

You already said you think he's midtable despite him being our best CB and we're third, so this is pointless.
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:rolleyes:

Giving away a dumb penalty is a brainfart. He was caught in a precarious position and instead of letting the player go on, he resorted to dragging that player down from the back knowing damn well that not only will he give away a penalty but will also result in him getting sent off.

If that is not a brainfart in your book, that's on you.
 
Dominos said:
There is a standard level of depth required for a top team competing at the top of the PL and in the champions league. That's two players per position i.e. at least 22 first team players. You're advocating leaving ourselves short of that, short in multiple positions which seems crazy.

Shaw, Dorgu and Cunha covering the left side is not sufficient numbers, any serious top CL level team has 4 players to cover two positions, and it's even worse for us given Shaw has a habit of missing entire seasons through injury.

Mainoo, Ugarte, and a new CM again is not sufficient numbers to cover two positions for a CL team playing twice a week, leaving us short of depth. It's also really quite bad quality wise as Ugarte is really bad every time he's entering the pitch, it's basically already decided he'll be leaving in the summer because of that.

We've got away with lack of depth this season because we've played one game per week, and somehow Shaw has stayed fit for a full season after missing nearly the entire previous two seasons. This has made fans complacent. The injuries we sustain will be worse next year playing more games, and more rotation will be necessary.
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Shaw, Dorgu, Cunha and Mount

Mainoo, Ugarte, new CM, Bruno and Mount

I dont rate Mount and would prefer we sold him and signed a replacement, but lets not pretend he wont be factored in by the club

I agree we'd be short overall but thats par for us. The minimum is 1 CM to replace Casemiro. Not the maxiumum or the best thing to do.

I'd prefer 1 CM, 1 CB and someone creative whether they play CM or on the wing
 
Ekeke said:
Shaw, Dorgu, Cunha and Mount

Mainoo, Ugarte, new CM, Bruno and Mount

I dont rate Mount and would prefer we sold him and signed a replacement, but lets not pretend he wont be factored in by the club

I agree we'd be short overall but thats par for us. The minimum is 1 CM to replace Casemiro. Not the maxiumum or the best thing to do.

I'd prefer 1 CM, 1 CB and someone creative whether they play CM or on the wing
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You're counting players as covering multiple positions to pretend we have sufficient depth. 2 players per position means 22+ players total. If you count players as covering multiple positions you can have a squad of only 15, 16, 17 players but it's obviously not sufficient for a top PL and CL club.

It's not really par for us to be short on numbers. We're usually short on quality but not pure numbers.

If we're short on numbers next season it's a choice the club have made to leave ourselves short.

It's a matter of preference - you can meet the standard depth in the areas we're short of numbers, or you can improve the quality in areas we already have the numbers. It seems unlikely we'd have the money to do both.
 
Fracture90 said:
:rolleyes:

Giving away a dumb penalty is a brainfart. He was caught in a precarious position and instead of letting the player go on, he resorted to dragging that player down from the back knowing damn well that not only will he give away a penalty but will also result in him getting sent off.

If that is not a brainfart in your book, that's on you.
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So which penalty giveaways aren't dumb? I really think you need to have a look again; bizarre if you think that's a brainfart. First of all, it was an exquisite pass to Evanilson that Maguire couldn't do much about. Secondly, Evanilson falls to ground ridiculously easy. His body literally turns 360 degrees as he falls because Maguire had his hand on his shoulder. Ridiculous, soft penalty. You may as well call all penalty giveaways brainfarts if this one is, but it's obviously not the case. Any way, this has gone on for too long, you're unable to provide any other examples other than a penalty giveaway in the most recent match so I guess that just proves how stable he has been in defense this season.

Edit: Just had a look in his performance thread, and some of your posts.. Eh, that explains a lot.
 
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Trigestis said:
So which penalty giveaways aren't dumb? I really think you need to have a look again; bizarre if you think that's a brainfart. First of all, it was an exquisite pass to Evanilson that Maguire couldn't do much about. Secondly, Evanilson falls to ground ridiculously easy. His body literally turns 360 degrees as he falls because Maguire had his hand on his shoulder. Ridiculous, soft penalty. You may as well call all penalty giveaways brainfarts if this one is, but it's obviously not the case. Any way, this has gone on for too long, you're unable to provide any other examples other than a penalty giveaway in the most recent match so I guess that just proves how stable he has been in defense this season.

Edit: Just had a look in his performance thread, and some of your posts.. Eh, that explains a lot.
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You're just digging yourself deeper mate.
 
Always been a big Maguire fan.

His 6 months after the Greece debacle weigh heavy on him. I've argued with my wife over how good Maguire is and I stand by it.

Proper centre half and unbelievable in both boxes. Glad he's staying and hope he goes the world cup.
 
Fracture90 said:
Mate, literally the last game we played he had given away a completely unnecessary penalty kick and got himself sent off in the process...
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To be fair, The Referee and VAR had already told everyone on the pitch, and eveyone watching that it was okay to do what he did, when he didn't punish Adrien Truffert for bringing down Amad in the box.
 
Fracture90 said:
You think that being condescending is somehow helping your case?
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Helping my case? It doesn't really matter what I think, he objectively has been our best defender this season, and most United fans would agree with that.

Obviously you won't, because like I said in the earlier post, I saw your posts in his performance thread, and it's safe to say you don't really like the player, so you're not going to have balanced opinions on him. You've made up your mind on him, so this is pointless.
 
Trigestis said:
Helping my case? It doesn't really matter what I think, he objectively has been our best defender this season, and most United fans would agree with that.

Obviously you won't, because like I said in the earlier post, I saw your posts in his performance thread, and it's safe to say you don't really like the player, so you're not going to have balanced opinions on him. You've made up your mind on him, so this is pointless.
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I'm not a fan of Harry Maguire, that's not a secret. When he's performing i have no issues giving him his laurels. Unlike you i don't consider him to be one of the best CB's in the league.

You're trying to excuse him for the Bournemouth penalty, but you aren't being genuine. It wasn't a worldie pass or anything like it, Maguire moved away from his man too far and was exposed for it.
 
ErikElevenHag said:
Always been a big Maguire fan.

His 6 months after the Greece debacle weigh heavy on him. I've argued with my wife over how good Maguire is and I stand by it.

Proper centre half and unbelievable in both boxes. Glad he's staying and hope he goes the world cup.
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The Greece issue happened before his second season, and while he did have a rough month or two to start off he went on to have his best ever season. The second half of that season is the only time that he looked like he might be worth what we paid for him as he was genuinely one of the best defenders in the league.

It was his third season (so more than 12 months after what happened in Greece) where he completely lost his head. His fourth season was also pretty bad, where he rightfully ended up behind both Lindelof and Shaw in the pecking order.

I'm not saying what happened in Greece didn't have some impact, as we don't know what was going on behind the scenes. But I see a lot of people linking the two things directly which certainly wasn't the case.
 
If there was anyone doubting the value of that extension, surely this 1st half vs Leeds has expelled those. He has been missed.
 
Red Royal said:
If there was anyone doubting the value of that extension, surely this 1st half vs Leeds has expelled those. He has been missed.
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Its keeping bang average players on the books like him that keeps us far away from a title challenge.
 
Him coming back into the side coincided with the good run under Carrick. We are woeful at the back without him.
 
Leftback99 said:
Him coming back into the side coincided with the good run under Carrick. We are woeful at the back without him.
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Reading things like that certainly makes me feel like this man did one of the most successful turnarounds with the club since I don't know who. I remember when he was blamed for just about every loss of pts.
 
Redplane said:
Reading things like that certainly makes me feel like this man did one of the most successful turnarounds with the club since I don't know who. I remember when he was blamed for just about every loss of pts.
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I always backed him.
 
He needs a proper CB partner, trouble is club can't afford to rebuild midfield and buy at least one defender
 
croadyman said:
He needs a proper CB partner, trouble is club can't afford to rebuild midfield and buy at least one defender
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He is not good enough none of our CB's are, unless we bring in two starting quality CB's our defensive record would still be mediocre next season as well irrespective who be buy for midfield .
 
gajender said:
He is not good enough none of our CB's are, unless we bring in two starting quality CB's our defensive record would still be mediocre next season as well irrespective who be buy for midfield .
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Would you take Rudiger and Senesi on a free?
 
gajender said:
Havent been following either unfortunately so can't comment but we need to bring in higher quality Cb's even if it cost then so be it .
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Was big fan of Rudiger at Chelsea, however suspect age and wage demands will scupper any hopes
 


He starts chatting at one point about an FA Youth Cup game and Ravel Morrison. It's weird to think they're the same age. Also mentions after the same game SAF sent him a letter.
 
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Maguire's is a defensive set piece one man team.

Even if he were our worst cb on the ball, and our worst defender in open play, he d still be our best CB just for his ability to win defensive headers.

Our other CB options are either quite bad at aerially defending the box ( Martinez, Yoro, Shaw) or just average ( Heaven, De Light ) and with Casemiro gone not having Maguire on defense means every corner is a high risk chance.
 
SilentWitness said:


He starts chatting at one point about an FA Youth Cup game and Ravel Morrison. It's weird to think they're the same age. Also mentions after the same game SAF sent him a letter.
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That's mad! In my mind Ravel was still 25 :lol:
 
No brainer keeping Harry on. We’ve got an excellent mix of cbs. Squad game. Shame about the injuries.
 
Bruno, Lammens, Casemiro and Maguire are the rocks of the team. If all 4 are available, then I am far more confident of winning than when any of them are missing.
 
He's been a good signing in a turbulent period for the club. What's that his 3rd contract here? Fee doesn't matter anymore. The mental strength it must have taken for him to not just pack it in here a few times speaks volumes about the kind of fella he is.
 
Ali Dia said:
He's been a good signing in a turbulent period for the club. What's that his 3rd contract here? Fee doesn't matter anymore. The mental strength it must have taken for him to not just pack it in here a few times speaks volumes about the kind of fella he is.
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I believe it’s only his second. His original contract finished last summer, we took the option to extend on existing terms - this is then a new contract.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I believe it’s only his second. His original contract finished last summer, we took the option to extend on existing terms - this is then a new contract.
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Aha ok. Even better so really. The big thing is in his later years he has developed into exactly what we thought we were getting when we signed him. He's naturally become a leader in the squad through experience and performances as opposed to just giving him the captaincy when he hadn't been at the club very long and while we were a basket case on the pitch and behind the scenes. He never kicked up a fuss. I'm really glad things are going well for him now
 
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