Yeah I know he is mainly on the left, was just trying to shoehorn him in
.Ogden: Mourinho eyes Man United clear-out
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.What do you expect him to do when Mourinho's publicly thrashed him a few times. His agent is just looking out for his career further down the line (damage control). After what Mourinho said, it is unlikely many will be interested at all.
I can't see that happening. Would love to be wrong but I think Sanchez will be here a lot longer than Martial.
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Brilliant, let's sell Martial and bring in more OAPs like Willian and Perisic.
in fairness id be speaking up if i was Shaw yesterday, Mourinho's comments were bizarre, that he wasn't aggressive enough when he was arguably to aggressive and was leaving massive gaps behind him.
I'm not saying Shaw is blameless for what has happened in his time here, as I don't think he looks after himself well enough and his defensive positioning still has a lot to be desired, but yesterday I think he has a right to be pissed off.
Anyway, best for everyone if Shaw goes now.
In my opinion Martial, Sanchez or Rashford will be moved to STK to act as cover/competition to Lukaku.
If Jose sells Martial & Mata, Jose can feck off.
There's no way on earth we should be entertaining listening to offers for Martial
I'd rather Jose leaves than have him replace Martial with Perisic
One of Martial/Rashford are surplus. Martial will lose out. We can get good money for him, and i doubt we wouldnt sell him if a 50m+ offer comes in.
More likely to be Bale or someone along those lines than Perisic. Perisic only just signed a new contract at Inter.
Wouldn't worry so much about Martial, although I guess the noise his agent has been making for the last two years is concerning. The fact that Mourinho has said and showed he has no problems with shipping off players to other English clubs doesn't mean he doesn't want to get on the better end of the deal. Anyone can see selling him to Spurs is way too dangerous, the risk of that backfiring is so obvious. And then there's the fact that Spurs haven't been cooperative with us at all for years.
Bale would be as stupid so I'd still rather Jose left.
I would rather have Ed Woodward sacked than get Bale.
It's about time. To be honest, I would not mind if we sold everybody not named Pogba, Lukaku, De Gea, Sanchez, Bailly, and Matic. Everyone else, should be sellable, regardless of age or price. When Mourinho came, I expected a ruthless clearout of the squad as he'd done in the past, but he gave players opportunities and chances throughout the run. Part of me feels that sentimentality from the Europe League win also contributed to him not selling many players last summer, but now, there is nothing to lose, and the 3 star players that he has kept have continued to show him how mediocre they can be. I legitimately look at our team and think that a lot of these players would not make it at Everton, which is mid-table, so they are relegation fodder or championship players. So if we can finally clear these type of players out and replace them with guys that at minimum give 7/10 performances, not Valencia's 5/10 that people call a 7, then we might start actually looking like the top european team we are.
People need to relax a bit. Watch the world cup in the summer and see what we do in the market. It comes as it comes, we support the club in the end and if they give Jose the green light to do as he pleases in the market and with the squad, thats fine for me. Ed and him are mainly responsible for that. I would rather get rid of Jose in the summer, but that wont happen either, he will be held accountable if it all goes tits up.
I am really not in on the short term approach of signing a group of older players on massive contacts who will be nightmare to move on for the next manager after Mou inevitably implodes. Great for Mou, might be to be able to to scrap a title out from that approach but for the medium-long term for the club? Looking at another clear out not far off if we go in that direction.
By the way LVG must have been doing an incredible job to get 5th and a cup given how appalling the squad he left is being made out to be.
By the way LVG must have been doing an incredible job to get 5th and a cup given how appalling the squad he left is being made out to be.
What'd be the issue with selling Mata? There's positives and negatives to his sale but I'd be fine whatever happens to him.
Keep Herrera, Martial and Mata. Buy Varane and play him alongside Bailly. Rose is good but i would prefer Sandro or even Alaba. I was wishing we'd buy Cancelo. Persic not happening, Fred is a good CM but i think we have a chance to rope in Saul this summer and we should go for it.
The international break has come at a wrong time. So much time for journos to s**t talk about Utd, Jose and the players. And so much time for caf (including me) to read all those stories and lose the mind.
Oh, am not remotely surprised his agent spoke up, was just posting the quotes.
Equally though, Shaw is an adult, at some point he needs to take responsibility.
The whole surplus thing surely is only true as long as Lukaku keeps his insane fitness record and somehow will magically still be fresh after no summer break because of the World Cup.
Young talent is unpredictable. Players might have the talent but not the attitude to make it or injuries might cripple them.
And his brother was the one who publicly accused Mourinho on fecking twitter of having it in for poor chubby Luke.
I also remember Mourinho publicly humiliating Matic after it went tits up at Chelsea once...
Seems like a total BS made up by journo story. I mean I could believe the targets, easily. But to clear out 10 players. Didn’t he at the start of the season say he was very happy with the squad or something.
The club would never let Martial go, they aren't stupid. He's a fan favourite, a great player and still pretty young.
Unless he specifically kicks off then he isn't going anywhere.
Unless he specifically kicks off then he isn't going anywhere.
- Mata is better of the lot and is probably the only creative player despite his limitations with speed and physicality (especially when Pogba ans Sanchez are struggling to make an impact)
- Unless, we are going for real quality in replacement, we will still be struggling with creativity.
- We have players in other positions who would need replacements before thinking of throwing Mata out.
Martial hasn't done anything to warrant that sort of respect. People said the same exact thing about Januzaj. There are lots of wonderkids that never fulfilled their potential, and Martial is not yet critical enough to us in terms of his actual performance to be seemed so valuable as to choose him over the manager. If you said the same about Pogba, I might have agreed, but Martial has never shown that superstar level of quality that Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, showed at that age. For all we know, Martial could be the next Ryan Babel. Until he starts to show consistent performances, our fans really should be less engulfed in getting the best out of individual players who hold the keys to their own success, and rather should focus on how to move the team forward.
Not denying that, but at some point for Shaw the penny has to drop. Or his career will be a bust.
And by all accounts, Shaw has plenty of attitude. He's not the wallflower that he's often portrayed as being.
If almost the entire squad is looking rubbish, including players who are known to be world-class or close to it, then the issue is likely to be something else.
Such as, the coaching. Or the manager failing to achieve buy-in. Or squad disharmony.
I'm sorry but I think the bolded bit in particular is ridiculous.
Take a look at Fred on YouTube, looks quality!
Mourinho has been far from perfect but this transfer window should get us properly complete. The most bizarre transfer has been Sanchez though. We clearly needed a RW and still do. Why did we sign Sanchez if he definitely wasn't going to play on the right? Mahrez would have been a much better choice. But I'm sure Sanchez will improve.
Anyway, agree with some of the outs: Shaw, Darmian, Blind and maybe fellaini if he's dawdling over another contract. No way to martial.
Ins: LB (rose?), Fred, RB (semedo?) , maybe another cm and RW or promote youth.
Why will Real sell him, unless we are going to break transfer records. He has a contract for another 4 years
The article mentioned we're definitely looking at a winger, I'd assume that'd mean a right-sided player as we've already got enough on the left. Also, Mourinho said that he plans to promote another youth player to the first team next season, best of the bunch at U23 is Tahith Chong who plays on the right. What I envision us doing is selling Mata and putting Chong in as the rotation/back-up to whoever we sign for first team.
I do take on board your points as well though, along with what you've said Mata does have a likeable personality and seems a popular figure. I'd be fine seeing him sold, if like you said, we have a real quality replacement lined up. He's in his thirties now and his physicality is already going down, I doubt we'd be looking at getting rid unless we were sure we were going for someone in his position.
Unfortunately, they have looked rubbish for 4 years, even before Mourinho. So if the squad looks rubbish, maybe the parts are actually just rubbish.
I'll ignore the ridiculous comparisons and hyperbole in that post and simply say that a manager who cannot work with a talent like Martial and instead chooses the Perisics of this world isn't the right fit for taking the team forward as you put it.
I don't know the person so I can't really judge. However he's been criticised by both Mourinho and Pocchetino which speaks volumes about his attitude.
Rashford? Even if Jose wanted to sell him, I think the club would step in. But that seems unlikely anyway and Jose seems to love him.
If Levy is refusing to sell his players to us, we should refuse to sell him our players to him
He is only of our rare players who can hold the ball, create, not afraid to keep the ball, pass and move, has the ability to play in number 10, or forced on the right wing and still be useful.
The only thing he lacks is pace and he is intelligent enough to play without it. He's has a lot of bad luck at United and needs the manager to believe in him. He has had shite management at United from Moyes to LvG to Jose.
They were asking for stupid money for him anyway. Also his form dropped off a cliff for a big part of the season, although he did score this weekend. Isn't Bale a bit risky for the money, age and injury record. He is however the sort of signing Ed likes. Just what we need another player who does not want to leave Real. Surely there is some talented younger player out there. Why can't we go for the Sane type?