Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2019/20 Discussion

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He took over in October 2015. They got to the CL final in May 2018. He was there almost 3 full seasons by then. They finished 4th in 2018 and were honestly nothing special finishing 25 points behind.

Please get your facts right if you are going to go on these little rants.
He took over a shite roster that had finished in 6th place the year prior and was left in 10th, ironically, and still had them playing exciting football which is why he was afforded time and patience by the fans and club.

It had become clear to anyone with eyes that he would be successful given further investment/more quality midway through his first full season given the leaps in performance on the pitch that they had under him and the development of an identifiable and coherent playing style/identity.

You conveniently left out the small fact that he made it to a CL final during the season they came in 4th...
 

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He took over a shite roster that had finished in 6th place the year prior and was left in 10th, ironically, and still had them playing exciting football which is why he was afforded time and patience by the fans and club.

It had become clear to anyone with eyes that he would be successful given further investment/more quality midway through his first full season given the leaps in performance on the pitch that they had under him and the development of an identifiable and coherent playing style/identity.

You conveniently left out the small fact that he made it to a CL final during the season they came in 4th...
It was literally the 2nd sentence of my post. Why can none of you read?
 

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He took over a shite roster that had finished in 6th place the year prior and was left in 10th, ironically, and still had them playing exciting football which is why he was afforded time and patience by the fans and club.

It had become clear to anyone with eyes that he would be successful given further investment/more quality midway through his first full season given the leaps in performance on the pitch that they had under him and the development of an identifiable and coherent playing style/identity.

You conveniently left out the small fact that he made it to a CL final during the season they came in 4th...
Just adding onto your points:

Season of Klopp's takeover: 8th finish, made 2 cup finals including the Europa. Even though their PL finish was not great, you could clearly tell the change in the way their whole team played. They were already starting to play exciting football with the mediocre squad they had although their defense was leaking goals and their league results were inconsistent.

1st full season: 4th on 76 points with 6 losses in the league (22-10-6)
2nd full season: 4th on 75 points with 5 losses in the league (21-12-5), runner up in the CL
3rd full season: 2nd on 97 points with 1 loss in the league (30-7-1), champions in the CL
4th full season: Guaranteed 1st place with likely record points that may potentially never be broken in our lifetime. CL results pending but looking like they will be going far again

On the other hand...
Ole's first full season, we're looking to barely clear 50 points in the league with 9-8-8 record and sitting in the 8th place in a season Spurs and Arsenal started out terribly and replaced their managers while Chelsea with their inexperienced new manager lost their best player and had a transfer ban during the summer. We are not playing any better than we were a year ago. There is no sign of improvement in the way we are playing.

But it's all good. Ole has the United DNA and he'll be the next Klopp as long as he's given more time. Because he's a nice guy who scored that goal.
 

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By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
 

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I'll be very glad when he goes but I will be a little sad as well - for the man and not the manager. Will miss seeing him but will be glad in not seeing him struggle.
 

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It’s a difficult one isn’t it. If you take the CL winning goal out of the equation then it’s certainly not a legendary career in the same breath as a Best, Charlton,Law, Cantona, or a Rooney (all time top goalscorer before I get jumped on!!).
Why would you take it out when it actually happened? That makes no sense at all
 

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A serious question to everyone, now with Ole looking likely to get sacked, can anyone name me a manager who did very well in recruitment but failed to get results, ultimately got sacked because of that? Just curious.
 

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First it was continuous comparisons with Fergie's early days, now it's Klopp every day. I wonder what is next for Ole supporters, comparisons with Pep or Zidane?
 

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First it was continuous comparisons with Fergie's early days, now it's Klopp every day. I wonder what is next for Ole supporters, comparisons with Pep or Zidane?
What was Sir Matt’s start with us like? Someone might say he could become the next Busby given enough time and backing.
 

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I can't wait to read this thread in one years time when we're actually a good side and Ole has gotten one more window.
 

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Maybe we could merge threads? Three different Ole threads essentially talking about the same thing. It can be difficult to follow and same people are making the same arguments in different threads from both sides. I don't see the point in that.
 

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Maybe we could merge threads? Three different Ole threads essentially talking about the same thing. It can be difficult to follow and same people are making the same arguments in different threads from both sides. I don't see the point in that.
@Damien can this be done as it is becoming increasingly annoying for many posters that all Redcafe had become is talk of ole
 

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Basically, if the board let Pochettino slip through their fingers, so they can continue with Ole’s ‘rebuild, then they are exactly as idiotic as we have all feared.

I don’t think Woodward is a bad person or anything, he obviously believes he’s making the right decisions. He’s just not football minded at all. I don’t think it’s about saving money either as I think he’s going to give Ole a chunk of it in the summer.

This really is depressing. What a bunch of fecking clowns.

edit: just read what Woodward actually said which is very ambiguous regarding Ole overseeing 2020 summer rebuild. And saw the pictures of pochettino with Ashton, this is very hopeful. Apologies to Ole fans but I’m now sick of the sight of him as Man Utd manager.
 
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Liverpool fan at work bought something up, said he wouldn't class Ole as a club legend. Fan favourite but legend? Was very dismissive and got me thinking....perhaps he is more of a cult hero than an actual legend?
Hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan considering that lot thinks Dirk fecking Kuyt is a legend and all he won there was a league cup.
 

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Hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan considering that lot thinks Dirk fecking Kuyt is a legend and all he won there was a league cup.
Actually it's hilarious that once you don't rate a person as a good football manager, people start to rewrite their playing days.

If Ole wasn't ManUtd manager, none of these posters would have questioned his legacy at ManUtd.
 

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Basically, if the board let Pochettino slip through their fingers, so they can continue with Ole’s ‘rebuild, then they are exactly as idiotic as we have all feared.

I don’t think Woodward is a bad person or anything, he obviously believes he’s making the right decisions. He’s just not football minded at all. I don’t think it’s about saving money either as I think he’s going to give Ole a chunk of it in the summer.

This really is depressing. What a bunch of fecking clowns.
Woody has his flaws. Many flaws. But regarding managers he had some good( and bad) decisions.
He waits too long to sack them and he hired Solskjaer far too early. I think that his plan was very good after he sacked Jose. Club legend as interim and at the end of the season sign new manager. But he fecked up there under the pressure from pundits and fans and gave Ole contract too early.

But he did sign LVG when LVG was best option on the market. He did sign best manager around after LVG and he did secure his signing far before he sacked LVG.
So i believe( maybe it is just desperation) that he has already talked with Poch and just waiting end of season to avoid paying fees to Ole and Spurs.

I hope.....i mean, nobody can't be that blind and go with Ole into next season.
 

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Absolutely no reason for Pochettino to be hanging around with Neil Ashton. Well, there's no reason for Ashton to be hanging around with anyone to be honest but even less so, a manager we've been linked with. It seems Ole's getting until May then (most likely, and perhaps unfortunately) moving upstairs to be DOF.
 

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Absolutely no reason for Pochettino to be hanging around with Neil Ashton. Well, there's no reason for Ashton to be hanging around with anyone to be honest but even less so, a manager we've been linked with. It seems Ole's getting until May then (most likely, and perhaps unfortunately) moving upstairs to be DOF.
If that happens I'm done with this club
 

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Absolutely no reason for Pochettino to be hanging around with Neil Ashton. Well, there's no reason for Ashton to be hanging around with anyone to be honest but even less so, a manager we've been linked with. It seems Ole's getting until May then (most likely, and perhaps unfortunately) moving upstairs to be DOF.
Even if he's being prospected by us, why would he have any business with a PR rep?
 

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Even if he's being prospected by us, why would he have any business with a PR rep?
Don't know about Custis, but Poch is a big fan of Bielsa. And since they've been spotted at a Leeds game, it's safe to assume that they were watching his side in action... at least Poch was.

The bigger question is what was our PR guy dong there? I seriously doubt that he traveled all the way to Leeds for a quick chat with Poch.
 

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Don't know about Custis, but Poch is a big fan of Bielsa. And since they've been spotted at a Leeds game, it's safe to assume that they were watching his side in action... at least Poch was.

The bigger question is what was our PR guy dong there? I seriously doubt that he traveled all the way to Leeds for a quick chat with Poch.
It was a potentially pivotal game for Leeds if I'm not mistaken? So I can imagine some attraction by the football folk. Ashton may have been there for recreational reasons or other unrelated to United.
 

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By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
It just doesn't make any sense, it's he hasn't had 4 years and hundreds of millions to do a cultural reset or anything? Where on earth is his Everton DNA?? He didn't even score a goal in a final 20 years ago for the club!

Gonna have to think on this..
 

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Even if he's being prospected by us, why would he have any business with a PR rep?
Maybe he is much more than that, you never know with Woodward and his cronies - for example, Judge is officially our Head of Corporate Development but he doubles up as our Chief transfer negotiator.
 

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It just doesn't make any sense, it's he hasn't had 4 years and hundreds of millions to do a cultural reset or anything? Where on earth is his Everton DNA?? He didn't even score a goal in a final 20 years ago for the club!

Gonna have to think on this..

I know, it goes against all logic doesn't it? Ancelotti hasn't had numerous transfer windows, a couple of hundred millions worth of signings and yet his team have gone pretty much from strength to strength since he took over. And yes, I don't understand how he's managed this when he never played for Everton himself, either?

It's almost as though being a good football manager has got something to do with how your team does. But that can't be true.
 

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It just doesn't make any sense, it's he hasn't had 4 years and hundreds of millions to do a cultural reset or anything? Where on earth is his Everton DNA?? He didn't even score a goal in a final 20 years ago for the club!

Gonna have to think on this..
Who would have known? A better manager getting good results shocker and now we are going to be hearing about how Everton have a much better squad than ours, at this rate you'd think we were recently promoted from the Championship. :lol:
 

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By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
Possibly new manager bounce. Ole had a good run when he came in. If they stay above us it's a fair point(and they quite easily could)
 

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The comparisons with Klopp are beyond silly.
I have been very busy so I haven't had much time.
Is it possible to look at Ole and Klopp PPG index in the league?
I am not 100% sure but I can confidently say there would be one difference.
Klopp's index would be an upward trend with each game while Ole's is on a downward trend.
That small detail makes a huge difference. Look at what was happening on the pitch, it was clear where Klopp's team was going. You're lying to yourself if you say you can say the same about us.
 

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By the way, Everton are above us in the table currently, they were pretty much looking like a relegation candidate before Ancelotti took over.
We have a game in hand + new manager bounce. Silva was a dead man walking for awhile and looked to have lost the dressing room. Someone suggested Ancelotti would last 2 years max before given the boot in another thread so we'll see.
 

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We have a game in hand + new manager bounce. Silva was a dead man walking for awhile and looked to have lost the dressing room. Someone suggested Ancelotti would last 2 years max before given the boot in another thread so we'll see.
It's the same nonsense from the usual suspects every time a new manager wins his first few games. Before Ancelotti they were preaching about how Arteta has transformed Arsenal within weeks despite the fact he has only won one league game in his two months. Before Arteta it was Pearson, Potter and Farke. When Ancelotti's bounce is over they'll jump onto whoever the next guy is to win a couple of games in a row.
 

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We have a game in hand + new manager bounce. Silva was a dead man walking for awhile and looked to have lost the dressing room. Someone suggested Ancelotti would last 2 years max before given the boot in another thread so we'll see.
Whilst I generally agree, we wait and see, it doesn't change the point that regardless of new manager bounce, their form beforehand should have meant we should be well clear of them regardless, but it's a testament to how poor we've been that we are 11 points from the relegation zone and they've managed to overtake us, hell, throw in last seasons Championship team that are playing better football than us, and are above us in the league, and i dare any Ole supporter to tell me Sheffield have a better squad than us.
 

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And yet he most likely consider fowler a legend or many others at that shite club who hasn't seen a league title in 30 yrs that term, where as Ole has earned his as a player, maybe never as a manager but will be always a UTD legend for his years of service and lacking of bitching.
Didn't, considered Rush, Gerrard as legends. Didn't even put Carragher in there.
 

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Hilarious coming from a Liverpool fan considering that lot thinks Dirk fecking Kuyt is a legend and all he won there was a league cup.
He's actually very level headed. Said from that era, Giggs, Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Schmeichel were legends.

Said Butt, Berg, Johnson and Yorke weren't legends either. Seemed to make sense.
 

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It's the same nonsense from the usual suspects every time a new manager wins his first few games. Before Ancelotti they were preaching about how Arteta has transformed Arsenal within weeks despite the fact he has only won one league game in his two months. Before Arteta it was Pearson, Potter and Farke. When Ancelotti's bounce is over they'll jump onto whoever the next guy is to win a couple of games in a row.

Like OGS last year?
 

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Like OGS last year?

Haha, I know man. That gets conveniently overlooked doesn't it. Slate other managers for being beneficiaries of a new-manager-bounce while pretending the man they are defending wasn't appointed based on that alone...…and has since proven that it was that alone!
 

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Said Butt, Berg, Johnson and Yorke weren't legends either. Seemed to make sense.
Well, they obviously aren't. Butt is the only one who might be considered, but as a player he's a lesser version of Scholes/Giggs in every sense - clearly doesn't make it as a "legend" when compared to those two.

There's quite a difference between those players and Ole, though, as anyone should realize. He made a name for himself as a super sub - and lived up to his reputation on the biggest stage. His '99 goal is one of the most iconic moments in the history of Manchester United - and the player who scored it was a fan favourite from day one (pretty much) with a reputation for being loyal, a team player, an allround decent bloke, etc. He played for us for more than a decade and then stayed on as a coach.

Of course he's a United legend - it's utterly silly to argue otherwise. And nobody would do it either if it weren't for the fact that he's now struggling as our current manager.