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This also, regarding the new recruitment policy, and why it doesn’t depend on Ole:
Indeed, one of the strongest arguments for instituting a club philosophy in the first place is that it withstands personnel change. It remains intact even if the manager departs.
 

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This also, regarding the new recruitment policy, and why it doesn’t depend on Ole:
Yep I don’t see why anything should change when he’s gone. Probably just less links to Declain Rice and Maddison who i couldn’t care about anyway. More expensive English hype. No thanks.
 

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I would absolutely love it if Ole turns it around and then starts winning things.

Always blame the manager eh?

Despite 3 previous managers, Jose, LVG, Moyes still not getting a tune out of these players.

Yet it's the managers fault every single time hmmmmmm

Simply we.are.not.good.enough. Sooner everyone realises that the better. The players simply are not good enough. Get over it.

Ole can't even get a corner kick right. Why do some people think he can move us forward?
If we appoint Fat Sam he is going to win more points than Ole will. I am not saying we should appoint him but just comparing Ole to Big Sam.
Didn't know Ole was playing too!
 

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Remove the emotional attachment from it.

Simply put, he is not a good enough manager to be in charge of Manchester United.

Souness failed at Liverpool, Shearer failed at Newcastle, Hoddle failed at Tottenham, Seedorf, Inzaghi & Gattuso failed at Milan. Club legends don't always make great managers.

Thanks for everything, Ole. You're a legend and that will never change. You're not the guy we need right now though.
Clark, Gray and Bremner at Leeds in the 80s.

Ed’s still got Keano and Giggsy to go at :nervous:
 

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If it feels churlish to point to Solskjaer's past experiences with Cardiff and Molde it shouldn't. Consider the fact that for all the discontent at Newcastle and Everton right now there might not be another Premier League fan base who would prefer to see the United boss in charge of their own team. What a perverse situation for the biggest club in the land.
 

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Yep I don’t see why anything should change when he’s gone. Probably just less links to Declain Rice and Maddison who i couldn’t care about anyway. More expensive English hype. No thanks.
I think the point was that the Board think the “strategy” (expensive English hype, as you put it so well) can continue without Ole.

I think its time for Ole to go, but am afraid it’s almost inevitable that the strategy will remain in place. Not because it’s any good, but because Ed will really lose face if he ditches it.

Edit: which is why I can see him going for Southgate.
 

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If we stick it out with Ole for another season I cant see how this 3 year plan to get back to the top is ever going to work? It will and somewhat already has end up being a plan that will only get longer and longer.

The club and ole would have to change the quality of their transfer targets as the club is not going to get sancho if we finish the season around tenth and that's being optimistic, same with maddison if Leicester look like they are going places under Rodgers and achieve champions league football. Then you will also have any decent players we have left wanting to get out of the club, so all of this will throw a huge spanner in the works of this 3 year vision.

We aren't exactly shrewd within the transfer market either like Dortmund or Atletico in an attempt to getting back to the top by being unaffected by losing good players by having the ability to recruite gems that go under the radar of most big clubs.
 

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Correct from Bate

If it feels churlish to point to Solskjaer's past experiences with Cardiff and Molde it shouldn't. Consider the fact that for all the discontent at Newcastle and Everton right now there might not be another Premier League fan base who would prefer to see the United boss in charge of their own team. What a perverse situation for the biggest club in the land.
I think you could go to clubs lower than Newcastle and fans still would not want Ole. He offers neither a record of meaningful success nor the unknown potential of a rookie like Lampard. How the hell did we end up in this situation?
 

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Hey, I'm all for that, but who do we bring in? Allegri is available but I'm not a fan of his style. I'm just not keen on making a change if we can't bring in someone who can really shake things up.
Benitez is a good manager. With a shoestring budget, he manage Newcastle to be still in the premiership. He knows how to utilize players at his disposal and I believe he won the champion league with Liverpool. He will bring a pragmatic approach until the transfer window is open. Given a budget, he will improve the squad. I am quite sure he can.
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I would absolutely love it if Ole turns it around and then starts winning things.

Always blame the manager eh?

Despite 3 previous managers, Jose, LVG, Moyes still not getting a tune out of these players.

Yet it's the managers fault every single time hmmmmmm

Simply we.are.not.good.enough. Sooner everyone realises that the better. The players simply are not good enough. Get over it.



Didn't know Ole was playing too!
Who wouldn’t? However we all know it’s just not gonna happen. Some of us say it out loud, others prefer to keep it inside. It’s not managers fault, they do what they can even though all of the managers we had were (are) either past their best or out of their depth. It’s the board’s fault for hiring clearly wrong managers.
 

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Benitez is a good manager. With a shoestring budget, he manage Newcastle to be still in the premiership. He knows how to utilize players at his disposal and I believe he won the champion league with Liverpool. He will bring a pragmatic approach until the transfer window is open. Given a budget, he will improve the squad. I am quite sure he can.
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We're really aiming low, aren't we?
 

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We're really aiming low, aren't we?
Well, look at the team we currently have. Unless we go ballistic in january and make 4 or 5 signings, we dont have a great team at our disposal. We will have to do with what we have. Rafa isn't the craziest suggestion. I can see why it would make sense.

There is still a lot to play for. Europa league needs to be the absolute priority cuz we can still qualify for the champions league. If not, we need to make top 6 at the very least, I do believe that's achievable if nothing else. There is still way to salvage this mess. Rafa isnt a horrible idea as a caretaker.
 
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Well, look at the team we currently have. Unless we go ballistic in january and make 4 or 5 signings, we dont have a great team at our disposal. We will have to do with what we have. Rafa isn't the craziest suggestion. I can see why it would make sense.

There is still a lot to play for. Europa league needs to be the absolute priority cuz we can still qualify for the champions league. If not, we need to make top 6 at the very least, I do believe that's achievable if nothing else. There is still way to salvage this mess. Rafa isnt a horrible idea as a caretaker.
I'm assuming Benitez is seen as a short-term solution to get a decent result out of this season, but I just don't see that as important. For me it's about putting something down for the future rather than top 6 (why is that so important?) or a CL spot.
 

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We're really aiming low, aren't we?
Rafael is not low. He is very experienced, did really well with Valencia. He is really good tactician and uses what he has properly. Unlike Ole who is weak tactician and deploy players in their unnatural position. Rafa will play the players to their strength and give properly coaching. There is zero evidence of coaching currently.
 

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Rafael is not low. He is very experienced, did really well with Valencia. He is really good tactician and uses what he has properly. Unlike Ole who is weak tactician and deploy players in their unnatural position. Rafa will play the players to their strength and give properly coaching. There is zero evidence of coaching currently.
Appointing Benitez is aiming low. He is better than Ole, that doesn't mean he is good enough. If we appoint him then we can completely give up on the board and conclude they will never learn from their mistakes.

We should be hiring managers at their peak or upcoming managers with new approach to the game, not the past it managers.
 

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Rafael is not low. He is very experienced, did really well with Valencia. He is really good tactician and uses what he has properly. Unlike Ole who is weak tactician and deploy players in their unnatural position. Rafa will play the players to their strength and give properly coaching. There is zero evidence of coaching currently.
How can you even sink that low to even remotely consider him? A guy who loves Liverpool and lifted the CL with them. You would really be that desperate to even think about him managing us?
 

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All of you who with this Benitez shite sicken me. My father been supporting since the Busby days and he'd be sick of you lot.
 

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Why are we thinking about Benitez when we have currently a better and more modern version of him (Allegri)?
 

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I'd rather the club was relegated than appoint Rafa. All for sacking Ole, but not that fecking desperate.
 

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Wenger would be a bit of a laugh, but Rafa? No thanks.

Pretty much any interim manager but Rafa. Although I'd still take him over Ole obviously.
 

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What should Ole do now to arrest the problem? He's an honest guy (this is what we are led to believe), so if he's being honest with himself, he will realise that there needs to be some dramatic changes.
He's not very good tactically, can he get someone in to assist on that side of the game? There is no shame in admitting your failures and trying to rectify the problem with some assistance. Is it too late for this type of appointment?
 

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I mentioned Benitez months ago and received quite a lot of negative responses. Maybe because of his Liverpool background.
He's clearly a better manager but he's not what we should be aiming for because his style of play is so structured and defensive. Issue for us now is if we panic and go for another Mourinho style signing (eg proven manager regardless of football style) it just resets the cycle we're in.
 

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Are people actually considering Rafa :lol:
 

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If we're not closer to the top than we are the bottom by Christmas I'll agree we need to sack - but even then I won't put the main blame on Ole. We've seen improvements under him - possession, work rate, defense and pressure have all improved and our transfers too are delivering for the first time in ages - but our squad is too weak in the final third to take advantage of the opportunities created during our buildup and even when they do find their chances our attackers can't even be trusted convert a fecking penalty they're so useless. This has nothing to do with our coaching staff - it's down to the players themselves. They're lacking both the intelligence and mental fortitude to both create and score chances - and people giving our coaching way too much credit in that regard as these are professionals who've lived and breathed football most their lives not just a bunch of mindless buttmuppets remote-controlled from the bench and incapable of making sound decisions on their own.

The whole "there's not coaching" and "there's no plan" arguments are null and void - as is placing all the blame for this on our manager and coaches dismissing them as clueless. Trust me they know football better than any amateur in here.

It's not knee-jerking however to start getting concerned at this point - a month back I would have agreed but truth be told there are some weird decisions that Ole and the higher ups needs to accept responsibility for. Not reinforcing our midfield and attack because perfection could not be achieved was a stupid move that we're now paying the price for - even if perfection cannot be achieved pretty much anything would be an improvement to our current defects in those areas - equally so is his continued loyalty towards certain players who simply aren't producing and who've not produced in ages now (Fred and Mata being the foremost of these).

Ole is a talented manager who've done a lot of things right since he joined us and I believe even someone world-class would find this squad tough to work with - our main problems are not related to Solskjaer but due to circumstances anyone would find hard to maneuver - but that being said he's also showing some signs that he might be too big an idealist and too gullible for his own (and the team's) best interest. My trust in him is not unconditional - I've set up some criteria for my continued support of this project:

1) We should be well clear of relegation danger by Christmas. If we're not I still won't hold him as the main culprit but I'll advocate his departure nonetheless as an emergency measure because no fecking way no matter what is a relegation struggle something this club should accept - it must be avoided at all costs even if it means scrapping everything we've done so far by hitting the reset button.

2) Come January we need those reinforcements we should have brought in during the summer. If they don't do this - if they still stall in pursuit of perfection - I'll feel twice as let down as I did back then and once more lose faith in our current management.

3) I'm not too concerned with our final position during the last half of this season but at the very least I expect our form to match that of our top-four rivals during this period. Even if we only manage EL play for next season I at least need to see that we're up to standards and ready to push on even further.

4) By next Christmas I expect us to be a solidified top-four team again. No excuses - by then they've had the mandatory three transfer windows any manager needs to be able to put their mark on a team and if we're still struggling by then it's clear we need to look elsewhere for solutions.

That is my roadmap - personally - and I feel it's a reasonable one. If our board panics and starts firing people despite the above being achieved I'll consider that no less than a betrayal. It'll be the final straw for me - and if that band of incompetent bigwig morons throws Ole under the bus to save themselves - sacrificing a genuinely dedicated and competent employee who've done his very best cleaning up this mess they've created - a guy who've aged fifteen years in ten months attempting to bring some structure back to this current sideshow of a club - then I predict a lot of supporters will find themselves equally disenchanted as well.

I'm also having a hard time figuring out who'll they'll replace him with - what kind of managers would be attracted to a club where all good things (players and managers alike) goes to die. It's a very risky career move to say the least signing for us these days - with the exception of someone like Ole who've bled red ever since he played here I can only see us drawing either moneygrabbers or those who are desperate for work and I doubt highly we'll be better off with either.
 

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All of you who with this Benitez shite sicken me. My father been supporting since the Busby days and he'd be sick of you lot.
Didn't your father know that Sir Matt played both for City and Liverpool?
Rafa is a professional manager. It was his job as the manager of Liverpool to do his best for them.
That said I don't think he should be hired. Not because he was at Liverpool but because he is not the right choice.
All of you guys who talk about Rafa and shite would jump at the chance to get either Klopp or Pep.
 

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its so bad at united that were all secretly even thinking Rafa a better option. You know its bad when you considering even rafa as stop gap measure to how bad we are playing. I fear they won't sack ola even if we are 15th by end of October, with backing of pundits like Gary Nevelle who seem to think he can do no wrong and blame players mainly for the display on the field and not the coaching or system they playing.
 

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Benitez not only managed Liverpool but was an insufferable twat towards us.
It's an absolute non starter.
 

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Just when you thought the bar couldn't get any lower in this thread, they went and suggested Rafa as Ole's replacement.

United fans indeed.
 

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Rafael is not low. He is very experienced, did really well with Valencia. He is really good tactician and uses what he has properly. Unlike Ole who is weak tactician and deploy players in their unnatural position. Rafa will play the players to their strength and give properly coaching. There is zero evidence of coaching currently.
I’d rather get relegated with ole then have the fat waiter in charge
 

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Benitez and Southgate :lol:

I want Ole gone as much as the next non top-red, but why have I read both these jokers names in recent days! I would rather keep Ole ffs.