He's lost his mind for staying positive after a great away comeback as opposed to what? What do you honestly expect the man to say?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Then they have to give credit to Ole. Why would they do that.
Ferguson was already an established manager who had broken The Old Firm and won a European trophy. Manchester United is also, naturally, a completely different beast today.
Why was we 2-0 down in the first place?
He got absolutely everything wrong from the tactics to personnel. One of the first times in his entire run that he makes a good substitute decision then it quickly backfired when he made the wrong call with Tuanzabe.
3-3 at Sheffield United after getting battered and it’s touted as a decent result. We have less points than Jose did at this stage of the season and are 10th in the league, it’s a right mess.
Maybe hes right. Maybe it is progress. The team were poor today but didn't give up and dragged a result out of it. They might learn from this. Isn't that progress?
He's in the firing line for many no matter what, especially now with pochettino available.
Removing emotion, we're actually on a decent run, scoring goals and dug a point out of a shit performance today. On to villa now (Astana aside) and keep up the scoring taking momentum into spurs and City.
Removing emotion, we're actually on a decent run, scoring goals and dug a point out of a shit performance today. On to villa now (Astana aside) and keep up the scoring taking momentum into spurs and City.
8 out of 10 times with our defence? That's generous. The change was fine, it just came at the totally wrong time and needlessly changed the flow of the game.
The Greenwood sub was great, if anything he should have done it about 10 /20 minutes earlier.
By your logic, Chelsea should sack Lampard and hire him immediately.
Again, we would've invited the pressure anyway, it always happens, we wouldn't magically keep the ball until the end of the game with a midfield duo of Lingard and Fred. We were less likely to concede with someone who has some semblance of defensive positioning in the team, than the other way around. I
Doesn't work like that though. Once we’re in front we’re in front. They only played like that because they were chasing the game. His decision to shore up the defence was 100% correct in that situation, shame the players didn’t have the bottle to pull it off.
How long was Ferguson at this club before he won anything?
Different times. United was not the juggernaut they are today - AND - Ferguson had proved himself already. He was not an unknown quantity.
It's more than a decent result. Sheffield United have one of the best defensive records at home and are a bitch to score against, I'm more worried about our leaky defense. We can't always score 3 goals every game.
Wow look at that. You almost said something positive there. Almost. #Progress
Ha, that's exactly what they would have done if they had a run any way similar to us. Remember Di matteo, they were 4th when they sacked him. Hell, they sacked sarri for finishing fourth and winning the EL, because he doesn't fit their plans. No sentimentality and ruthless. That's how every big club is except for us.
- Plays Andreas with full knowledge of him being a liability in a 2 man midfield
- Further brain farts by having no #10 in front of him. Andreas can barely trap a ball and hold it nvm pass it forward.
- Alienated the front 3 with an odd selection of a 532 against a team that scores very little
- Plays Jones.
- Makes the right tactical changes way too late in the 70th minute.
- Goes on to reverse all the right changes after scoring the 3rd goal by bringing on Axel for Martial.
- Ffs they were hunting a 4th/5th goal. You could see it on Martials face....
- They just couldn’t handle our ball possession in their half when we had him on. It was a better overall defensive strategy to punish them while they go for an equalizer.
(PS mods: the bulletpoint/indent feature typing on the phone is an absolute nightmare. Lots of bugs. It would delete my writing everytime I hit enter. Might want to check it out)
That wasn't a rhetorical question
Bad first half with 3 at the back and so light in mid. Good second half and for the second time we miss on a win in the 90th min.
Needs a second summer before i can judge. The squad is too poor now and i don't see any manager doing any better with Jones, Pereira, Lingard, Fred...
Needs a second summer before i can judge. The squad is too poor now and i don't see any manager doing any better with Jones, Pereira, Lingard, Fred...
Yup, I don't get why people fail to understand this. The United Fergie took over and the United is whole different club, much of it down to SAF's work.
I'm pointing out a clear double-standard. If it's Ole, then "the buck stops with the manager", if it's Poch, then it's "the end of a cycle." Both can't be true, because the first says that a manager has to take responsibility for everything that goes wrong, while the second says that sometimes things outside of the managers control happen that makes it impossible for them to succeed.
I'm not saying that the latter is the case with Ole, nor that the former was the case for Poch, all I'm saying is that you can't, with any sort of credibility, say "the buck stops with the manager" only to then go on to make excuses for Poch. It either does, or it doesn't.
There was a lack of midfield options today so understand why he went with the system but I feel he should have changed it in the first half and put Jones as DM as we were getting battered.
If it was some foreigner than perhaps, but I think they would give Lampard at least a full season
Do you want me to answer a question everyone know the answer to? I was explaining why the point you were trying to make is invalid. It's like you don't even process what I have written to you.How would you have set us up today given the injuries and the nature of the available players in midfield?
It is positive. But it should have come earlier... Andreas was absolutely dreadful.
It's crazy to not thing there's justified criticism of Ole today. His whole approach was completely wrong.
I don't know the answer to the question, perhaps you could tell me if it wouldn't be too taxing.
Ferguson was appointed in November 1986 and he won the FA Cup in 1990.
This would be like managing without context though. Like "if your winning - put on defender ... If your losing put on attacker"
The context of the game though and how it was going meant that the sub at that time wasn't 100% correct.
Balanced argument and reasoning doesn’t fit the Ole-Out narrative
It's hard to tell these days if a post is real or not. So we, one of the biggest clubs in the world should give a severely underperforming manager "time to develop" and "grow into the role". In what world is that a good idea? What other top club would do the same? Ole has been in management for 10 years! This isn't his first job. The Fergie comparison is just bizarre considering what he had achieved prior to his appointment.
Every other club chops and changes staff, why would we be any different?
This. A mad spell of goals does not change the fact that we absolutely dreadful for the rest of the game.
Exactly. He's been here a fecking year. We've Allegri and Poch available and we're fecking pulling teeth. Dumbest shit I've ever seen. It's actually sickening at this point.
After 70 odd minutes we finally got control of the ball and were hurting them. The sub took that control away from us.
There's a difference between the momentum changing due to second team stepping up and us actually surrendering the momentum to the other team with our hands. We threw it to them, on our own will.
No. It fecking isn't. He spent 130m and we shipped 3 easy goals. We looked miles off the pace for 80 mins and there's feck all progress.
there was also feck all midfield.
With bissaka attacking ability, back 3 should never be an option, and last sub is clearly show how cowardly ole is
Poch in please
Poch in please
Poch had 3 excellent seasons at Spurs and reached a CL final in his last one. It was an end of a cycle. Ole's been dreadful since being appointed on permanent basis. And the buck did stop with Poch as he got sacked and rightfully so. Best managers in the world get sacked. Sir Alex been sacked. Lippi, Cappello, Mourinho, Del Bosque, Ancelloti were all sacked at different times of their career and went on to have success elsewhere.
How is he 'severely underperforming'? Prior to today we had one of the best 3 defensive records in the league, commensurate with the fact he was permitted to bring in two defenders. We're 1 point off Europa League qualification which is what we're realistically gunning for this season considering the lack of depth in the squad and quality in the midfield. It seems to me you're advocating getting rid of him after just one window in charge to repair a squad that badly needs fixing and has clearly benefitted from his time here already.
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