I was very positive in the first season of Mourinho. I really tried. Liking a manager of your football club is really important and Mourinho is a twat.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Bullshit! I remember it well, you were insufferable, questioned every signing, every team selection.
I was a beacon of sensible posting I remember it well.
ha ha!
Was hard for you I get it, you did despise that man.
I agree that there's a lot of positives in amongst the negatives, especially since our form picked up in December to something remotely acceptable.
Why do you always lie?First you dig up fans comments to make them out to be an article. Then you copy Goldbridge example on a boxing game?
See, it is not that easy to say the right thing everytime, and certainly not always being originalWouldnt read to much into it mate.
The article I linked was an article written by a journalist for a Welsh Newspaper. He’s name is Paul Abanndonato, he’s a also a Cardiff fan and the Head of Sport for Wales Online. If I could get quotes from various Cardiff fans I would because unlike you to me fans opinions matter and fans unblinded by nostalgia can read the situation best.
Have no idea what you’re talking with Goldbridge. Did he use a boxing analogy to discuss Ole’s lame comment? You’re not very direct with your accusations and just make insinuations. I know it’s just your sad way of trying to discredit the characters of Ole out people.
I come across a very good interview with a successful retired NFL head coach about how to be successful. In short he split the job in three different areas. Vision. Management. Organization.
Vision
According to him most successful managers (head coaches) has a clear and distinct vision how they want to play the game. The hard part for any coach (manager) is to get everybody inside the organization on board and make sure they all is reading the same page in every phase of the game. The difference between average and those who succeed is their ability to fully implement their ideas into the whole organization.
A good vision is easy to understand for everybody involved. Its a idea that everybody believe in and don’t need to be defended against outside criticism. A excellent vision don’t only describe the “how’s”, it also answers the “why‘s”
A good manager with a clear vision attracts top talents!
Management
Intelligent managers (head coaches) surrounds them selves with specialist. Mostly you find talented upcoming leaders early in their career next to great managers. Average leaders attracts average followers.
Organization
The key to every successful organization is how the manager delegate responsibilities and how effective his chain of command works.
Regarding Ole
I think none of us is in a perfect position to fully judge what’s going on at Carrington but I would lie if I said I saw a clear vision, but more importantly I have heard very little about the “why’s” except playing youth and improve our fitness. Sir Alex had his famous “why” with “my greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their fecking perch. And you can print that”. (I think Ole needs to find his why in order to get more supporters on board)
I also isn‘t directly impressed with our assistant coaches. None of them stands out as something special. Another thing that makes me suspicious is how they and the manager communicate with each other. It’s soulless and without notable chemistry. I rarely see them come up with something special. Whenever Ole is on the sideline he looks invisible and in the shadow. Nothing like Sir Alex who was almost the center point of the whole arena whenever he left his seat.
After ten years as a manager then we have to accept that what we see is probably the finish article. That don‘t inspire me.
It‘s hard to look forward to the future with Ole without a huge amount of skepticism. Doesn’t mean he will fail but I would lie if I said that I can see him succeed long term judging by his results and how he at the moment runs his organization. Sadly.
Vision
According to him most successful managers (head coaches) has a clear and distinct vision how they want to play the game. The hard part for any coach (manager) is to get everybody inside the organization on board and make sure they all is reading the same page in every phase of the game. The difference between average and those who succeed is their ability to fully implement their ideas into the whole organization.
A good vision is easy to understand for everybody involved. Its a idea that everybody believe in and don’t need to be defended against outside criticism. A excellent vision don’t only describe the “how’s”, it also answers the “why‘s”
A good manager with a clear vision attracts top talents!
Management
Intelligent managers (head coaches) surrounds them selves with specialist. Mostly you find talented upcoming leaders early in their career next to great managers. Average leaders attracts average followers.
Organization
The key to every successful organization is how the manager delegate responsibilities and how effective his chain of command works.
Regarding Ole
I think none of us is in a perfect position to fully judge what’s going on at Carrington but I would lie if I said I saw a clear vision, but more importantly I have heard very little about the “why’s” except playing youth and improve our fitness. Sir Alex had his famous “why” with “my greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their fecking perch. And you can print that”. (I think Ole needs to find his why in order to get more supporters on board)
I also isn‘t directly impressed with our assistant coaches. None of them stands out as something special. Another thing that makes me suspicious is how they and the manager communicate with each other. It’s soulless and without notable chemistry. I rarely see them come up with something special. Whenever Ole is on the sideline he looks invisible and in the shadow. Nothing like Sir Alex who was almost the center point of the whole arena whenever he left his seat.
After ten years as a manager then we have to accept that what we see is probably the finish article. That don‘t inspire me.
It‘s hard to look forward to the future with Ole without a huge amount of skepticism. Doesn’t mean he will fail but I would lie if I said that I can see him succeed long term judging by his results and how he at the moment runs his organization. Sadly.
If this post doesn't prove that Wumminator is an actual WUM then nothing will. An excellent WUM, it must be added. Dedicated to the extreme.
You remember you said Ibra would flop here and he wouldn't score over 7 goals or something. You were an insufferable, petulant brat from the moment Jose got appointed.
That is horrible. What was he thinking.
Haha! Agenda driven as ever!
I have read the article and he is completely wrong on one aspect isn't he?
. He is correct in every other aspect. I am going to quote from his article.
" When Solskjaer breezed in, huge reputation coming with him, there were suggestions that if pulled up trees with Cardiff, he could become a future Manchester United manager.
After his work here, Solskjaer has even less chance than David Moyes of going back to Old Trafford ".
He didn't pull up trees with Cardiff but got them relegated and here he is at Old Trafford.
What a post. Completely agreed.
I have read the article and he is completely wrong on one aspect isn't he?
I am going to quote from his article.
" When Solskjaer breezed in, huge reputation coming with him, there were suggestions that if pulled up trees with Cardiff, he could become a future Manchester United manager.
After his work here, Solskjaer has even less chance than David Moyes of going back to Old Trafford ".
He didn't pull up trees with Cardiff but got them relegated and here he is at Old Trafford.
Failure is the new successThat's how we measure success, if good teams field a strong 11 against us it must mean we are doing well.
I come across a very good interview with a successful retired NFL head coach about how to be successful. In short he split the job in three different areas. Vision. Management. Organization.
Vision
According to him most successful managers (head coaches) has a clear and distinct vision how they want to play the game. The hard part for any coach (manager) is to get everybody inside the organization on board and make sure they all is reading the same page in every phase of the game. The difference between average and those who succeed is their ability to fully implement their ideas into the whole organization.
A good vision is easy to understand for everybody involved. Its a idea that everybody believe in and don’t need to be defended against outside criticism. A excellent vision don’t only describe the “how’s”, it also answers the “why‘s”
A good manager with a clear vision attracts top talents!
Management
Intelligent managers (head coaches) surrounds them selves with specialist. Mostly you find talented upcoming leaders early in their career next to great managers. Average leaders attracts average followers.
Organization
The key to every successful organization is how the manager delegate responsibilities and how effective his chain of command works.
Regarding Ole
I think none of us is in a perfect position to fully judge what’s going on at Carrington but I would lie if I said I saw a clear vision, but more importantly I have heard very little about the “why’s” except playing youth and improve our fitness. Sir Alex had his famous “why” with “perch
I also isn‘t directly impressed with our assistant coaches. None of them stands out as something special. Another thing that makes me suspicious is how they and the manager communicate with each other. It’s soulless and without notable chemistry. I rarely see them come up with something special. Whenever Ole is on the sideline he looks invisible and in the shadow. Nothing like Sir Alex who was almost the center point of the whole arena whenever he left his seat.
After ten years as a manager then we have to accept that what we see is probably the finish article. That don‘t inspire me.
It‘s hard to look forward to the future without a huge amount of skepticism. Doesn’t mean Ole will fail but I would lie if I said that I can see him succeed long term judging by his results and how he runs his organization. Sadly.
Vision
According to him most successful managers (head coaches) has a clear and distinct vision how they want to play the game. The hard part for any coach (manager) is to get everybody inside the organization on board and make sure they all is reading the same page in every phase of the game. The difference between average and those who succeed is their ability to fully implement their ideas into the whole organization.
A good vision is easy to understand for everybody involved. Its a idea that everybody believe in and don’t need to be defended against outside criticism. A excellent vision don’t only describe the “how’s”, it also answers the “why‘s”
A good manager with a clear vision attracts top talents!
Management
Intelligent managers (head coaches) surrounds them selves with specialist. Mostly you find talented upcoming leaders early in their career next to great managers. Average leaders attracts average followers.
Organization
The key to every successful organization is how the manager delegate responsibilities and how effective his chain of command works.
Regarding Ole
I think none of us is in a perfect position to fully judge what’s going on at Carrington but I would lie if I said I saw a clear vision, but more importantly I have heard very little about the “why’s” except playing youth and improve our fitness. Sir Alex had his famous “why” with “perch
I also isn‘t directly impressed with our assistant coaches. None of them stands out as something special. Another thing that makes me suspicious is how they and the manager communicate with each other. It’s soulless and without notable chemistry. I rarely see them come up with something special. Whenever Ole is on the sideline he looks invisible and in the shadow. Nothing like Sir Alex who was almost the center point of the whole arena whenever he left his seat.
After ten years as a manager then we have to accept that what we see is probably the finish article. That don‘t inspire me.
It‘s hard to look forward to the future without a huge amount of skepticism. Doesn’t mean Ole will fail but I would lie if I said that I can see him succeed long term judging by his results and how he runs his organization. Sadly.
I feel like I'm supporting a United team again. First time I've felt like that since SAF. I don't think he'll win the premier league or a big trophy but I think he is what we need at this time of our so called rebuild.
Really? We are on 11+ right now. I haven’t the time nor care to check but I seem to recall our GD was shocking in Jose’s time as manager last season. I may be wrong, either way I don’t care this is the best time since Fergie in my view with loads of positives
in fact just check we where on 2+ when Jose left so your wrong mate.
Rashford, Martial, greenwood, Scott, James, Fred all having a very good season. The manager must be doing something right if players are constantly improving in the team.
Great post. After our win yesterday the thread was hijacked with some stupid comment and bashing began. I mean come on.
I said Jan 2019. Comparing a year ago to now as you can’t really compare a stage of a season with plenty less games played, especially when we had the easiest run of games I can remember for a long time to get from Mourinho to 12th Jan.
Obviously pretty much every side in the top 10 GD’s was lower when they’d played less.
Excellent post. I had been reading the RedCafe since 2002-2003 season. I registered in July to support Ole who was getting undeserved stick after the end of the previous season. I remember the little Ice Age (2003-2007) when RedCafe majority was questioning “the old corrupt man” and his “one trick pony” who replaced the best crosser of all times. “Fergie has expired”, “Ole is a no name”. Who really knows? Give it time, believe, you have grounds.
From factual point of view, potential wise, Rashford is on the same level as Ronaldo. At 22, this season, he is one of the best left forwards in the world, established English international, has 200 games under his belt. He is carrying a young United team on his shoulders, showing impressive mentality. He is a big game player who is taken very seriously by the likes of Juergen Klopp or Pep Guardiola. He is a super star.
Ronaldo, at 22, was a starlet, a wonder kid, who played surrounded by established stars under the greatest manager ever who handed him shirt number 7. Prodigy.
Mason’s potential might well be higher than Rooney’s. Who knows? MCT still has time to become a peak Fletcher. We could buy a £20 million Vidic next summer. Why not?
Give Ole credit, he made us all believe in the youngsters. This team has a lot of potential. Instead, Ole haters use this as an argument against him. Speechless.
I still credit RedCafe for being much more rational than 15 years ago. Life taught us a lesson.
Constraints:
Time it takes to offload players
Time it takes to sign players
Time it takes to bring in youth
Time it takes for youth consistency
State of squad inherited
Injuries
Pogba and his strike/injury
Woody
The Glazers
Unreasonable impatient expectations of some fans
The two biggest being glazers/woody and time
Glazers and woody we have no control of apart from protest but time is something that fans can choose to give.
Hear here. I think the majority of posters on the caf are decent whatever their views or opinions, it’s just a somewhat noisy minority that spew their drivel across the forum.
Making full use of the ignore function is steadily making the forum more tolerable.
Best post I've seen on here in a long time. Couldn't agree more.
That quote about City respecting us by playing their first team in the cup
Really? I understand that you can get tag but name?
I've really started to dislike Oles interviews/press-conferences lately, too many excuses and odd assessments when it comes to our football but then again it's understandable to go in defence mode with so many journalists poking you with sticks, trying to get a reaction.That quote about City respecting us by playing their first team in the cup
I am just so grateful and scared about what may have happened if you hadn’t given me the benefit of the doubt.
Like always it is not all black or white.
Pride, passion, love for the club... All the things he gets mocked out. They count, you know. You actually put your job in front of everything else. And I really believe he does that, so all of you with a cnut, Molde manager, out of his depth and so on are pretty much wrong. I mean, the man set up a better counter attack then Jose ever did. Which is pretty damning on Jose, but never mind. He also has players 100% behind him with his best player out of it for pretty much all season so far.
His structure, coaching and overall direction leaves a lot of question and am pretty sure that he is not the one to take us further in terms of an elite club. So, I hope board has a plan B in place already. I also hope they have another manager in mind as I think he can't turn us in force (hopefully wrong).
But, all the hysteria and paranoia are unwarranted. He will not set us years back. That much is clear.
Pride, passion, love for the club... All the things he gets mocked out. They count, you know. You actually put your job in front of everything else. And I really believe he does that, so all of you with a cnut, Molde manager, out of his depth and so on are pretty much wrong. I mean, the man set up a better counter attack then Jose ever did. Which is pretty damning on Jose, but never mind. He also has players 100% behind him with his best player out of it for pretty much all season so far.
His structure, coaching and overall direction leaves a lot of question and am pretty sure that he is not the one to take us further in terms of an elite club. So, I hope board has a plan B in place already. I also hope they have another manager in mind as I think he can't turn us in force (hopefully wrong).
But, all the hysteria and paranoia are unwarranted. He will not set us years back. That much is clear.
It's pretty clear the players will run through walls for him. That's invaluable. He's doing amazingly well blooding in the youth. He's bought pretty damn well too.
The squad is young and will be inconsistent. Chelsea are having the exact same problems too because their squad is also very young.
The squad is young and will be inconsistent. Chelsea are having the exact same problems too because their squad is also very young.
Absolutely spot on mate.
Where we are necessitates a long-term approach and patience. Yes, we could try the easy fix, and we have the tools to do so, but the issue is, that just hasn't been our MO throughout our history. Some clubs just aren't built that way, and I think we are one of those clubs. We tried that approach under LvG and Jose and quite simply it hasn't worked.
Spot on as always. Great post.
I think you can add "trimming the wage budget" to that. United spent insane amounts of money under LVG and Mourinho on players that for different reasons did not fit. United are rich, but they don't have an endless pit of money.
I didn’t expect you to be enlightened as ignorance is bliss.
Great post.
Couldnt have said it better.
Its extreme at the best of times, people just moaning basing of unrealistic expectations, expecting top performances eveey week, but in same week be alating the squad and players for not being at the required standard.
Theese are pretty much my thoughts as well. Ole is getting some things very right but I feel he needs more experience, especially on the tactical/technical side of it, to be the person to take us at the absolute top again.
I couldn't agree more. You could also add:
- The players actually seem to care
- Spot on with his transfers (all 3 signings have comfortably broken into our starting XI)
Under the last five years of Woodwards "leadership United have out spent every other Premier League team except Manchester City. By comparison United spent £378 million compared to Liverpool's £92 million. And what do they have to show for it? In six years they have gone from first in the Premier League to sixth. But they are still ranked first when it comes to the size of their payroll. And Woodward's payoff for the job he's done is that he is ranked first in pay of any director in the Premier League.
If United fire Ole now, that would give the club six managers in six years. This is a club in freefall. It's hard to see a prestigious manager taking the United job with Woodward in charge.
In the last two transfer markets United's expenditures have seriously diminished. The net investment for the last year was £25 million when one takes into account the loss without replacement of Herrera. Is it possible the owners are using the same private equity tactics they used to buy the club with United's money? That would be stripping the assets for their personal benefit and leaving what remains for whoever gets to call themselves the new owners. Do they really have transfer money to spend? They may but I'd like to see the figures.
So how has Ole done? He was given a team to start the season with only one proven Premier league quality midfielder. Under his management McTominay and now apparently Fred have achieved Premier League quality. Other players have made significant improvements including Rashford, Martial, James, and Williams. That's a remarkable success rate for any manager.
People criticize Ole for tactics but what kind of flexibility does he have with literally no bench and a significant number of injuries with nobody qualified to fill in?
When the club is rebuilding is primarily through player development, Ole is well-qualified through his past work and has demonstrated his ability on the job. Keeping him gives a necessary measure of stability to a club in chaos. That chaos is not going to go away as long as Woodward is in charge. His track record speaks for itself. Einstein's definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing that fails expecting a different result.
I be interested to see somebody with an accounting background look at the balance sheet and see if United have funds to spend. They talk a big game about trying to sign Maddison and Grealish knowing they have zero chance of signing either one. Looks like a smokescreen to me.
If United fire Ole now, that would give the club six managers in six years. This is a club in freefall. It's hard to see a prestigious manager taking the United job with Woodward in charge.
In the last two transfer markets United's expenditures have seriously diminished. The net investment for the last year was £25 million when one takes into account the loss without replacement of Herrera. Is it possible the owners are using the same private equity tactics they used to buy the club with United's money? That would be stripping the assets for their personal benefit and leaving what remains for whoever gets to call themselves the new owners. Do they really have transfer money to spend? They may but I'd like to see the figures.
So how has Ole done? He was given a team to start the season with only one proven Premier league quality midfielder. Under his management McTominay and now apparently Fred have achieved Premier League quality. Other players have made significant improvements including Rashford, Martial, James, and Williams. That's a remarkable success rate for any manager.
People criticize Ole for tactics but what kind of flexibility does he have with literally no bench and a significant number of injuries with nobody qualified to fill in?
When the club is rebuilding is primarily through player development, Ole is well-qualified through his past work and has demonstrated his ability on the job. Keeping him gives a necessary measure of stability to a club in chaos. That chaos is not going to go away as long as Woodward is in charge. His track record speaks for itself. Einstein's definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing that fails expecting a different result.
I be interested to see somebody with an accounting background look at the balance sheet and see if United have funds to spend. They talk a big game about trying to sign Maddison and Grealish knowing they have zero chance of signing either one. Looks like a smokescreen to me.
Excellent post, fully agree.
Considering the state of us the last few years, the current state of the squad, the current state of midfield in particular, sitting in fifth right now is actually not too shabby. Of course we want more, but that will have to be longer term. It's taken years to get into this mess, and there is no quick way to fix it. Ole is working on the foundations of a future great team.
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