Not only we didnt deserve to lose, we really deserved to win imo. Take away the third goal cos thats injury time when were trying to push forward for an equaliser, but the important goals especially the second was avoidable (but weve been done by this quite a few times).
That doesn't answer the question. Klopp is available is he? He is the best manager. Is he available?
I didn't miss it because it didn't happen. It was clear he was struggling but if he couldn't carry on he would have / should have gone down so play is stopped and we can make the change, he didn't.
It answers the question if you use your common sense alongside it. You've just insulted her and insulted your own intelligence by resorting to an unrealistic situation. Why are you so angry and worked up?
I don't have common sense, why dont you tell me how it answers it? I am not angry, just frustrated by fans thinking just cause we are Manutd, we are entitled to something special.
He said most managers, not all. You've completely twisted his words. Every post I see of yours ends up with you being overly aggressive, chill out.
I agree it's no excuse. I didn't think he was good enough before last night, I would be very happy to see him replaced with a top manager befitting of us.
My question is who is available then?
We should also expect to see less of them.
Pochettino springs to mind..
Haha, now you’ve done it ... wait for it ... incoming
I thought after 2 years, he had finally learnt to make changes a lot sooner after the Southampton game, but still waiting until the 70th min to make a change with 5 subs on the bench, and Fred a red card waiting to happen, just shows he hasn't learnt a thing after all.
He's the best manager available? What credentials does he have to be the best available?
It makes no sense.
You asked me who was available, Pochettino is a correct answer. If you asked me, who is the best manager we could possibly hire right now? Pochettino is still a lead candidate, but I can't say for sure that he's the best manager available.
We started the second half dominating and should have got our two goals, then sub fred.
So basically your point is we would have lost anyways, 10 men or 11 men on the field, because we had inefficient players on the pitch who couldn't finish their chances or create ones.
You really gathered that from everything I've posted. Cracking. So basically . . . . you think Ole not subbing Fred is more important to winning a game than scoring or conceding.
This is the problem we have right now. Poch is the lead candidate because he does not have a job.
Why? It was a matter of when he got sent off, not if. It was obvious PSG would do everything in their power to exaggerate any contact involving Fred to get him sent off, with a ref who would be keen to correct his earlier mistake. We had VDB, Pogba, Matic on the bench. With the tie on a knife edge, to keep him on in those circumstances is bordering on negligence.
This is Manchester United. We are "capable" of doing something special.
Because there was no key moment. At what point in the circa 30 minutes between the first yellow and the red is THAT moment where Ole got it wrong?
And what is they also make naive mistake or what if our strikers miss easy chances? Would we sack them too.
Yes, 10 years ago.
Liverpool also believed that Hodgson and Rodgers was the man before Klopp. Every successful club has made bad choices in recruitment, it's not exclusive to Man Utd. Bayern and Kovac, Juventus and Sarri, Barcelona and Setien, the list is endless. The key is to try again if it isn't working out. Pochettino wouldn't be a reactive choice, it makes a lot of sense given his talent, experience and history. Klopp had left Dortmund after an under performing season where they were 18th after 19 games, eventually finishing 7th, quite similar to Pochettino's last season, Liverpool saw past the last season and took a chance, it worked out perfectly. The Pochettino situation at the moment has parallels.
First thing I've read that's made me reconsider my stance on Poch tbh.
Martial is not good enough to be the main source of goals, he will score goals, but we cannot be relying on him. Our asses are being saved by the production of Bruno which has taken the focus off the front players, last night Bruno was not at his best, so it brought them back into focus. Every Tom, Dick and Harry has been saying we need another forward, you would hope a new manager would see this as well. Especially if he has been watching us from afar. I am not saying get rid of Martial, but he cannot seem to perform to the high consistency we are needing.
My point being, we were having problems with 11 men, but there was chance to comeback with 11 men. Once we were a man down, it made our job all the more tougher, if not impossible.
But that's my point how can we blame manager solely for that. I keep hearing Ole should go based on yesterday's loss which I don't understand. Ole has his flaws but players also have to take responsibility.
Yes, every club goes through bad recruitment. The clubs you have mentioned also make decisions to reverse those failings. Kovac was gone, Setien was gone, Sarri was gone.
I completely agree with everything you're saying. My point is simply that the game wasn't lost in that moment and criticism should not be taken away from the players that lost in those key moments.
You're right, we aren't entitled to something special. Which is why we are Ole as manager.
I agree that the missed chances had a bigger swing in the match than Fred's red. I agree that Fred should be criticised for reacting vs. Paredes, it was stupid to take the bait. But it's that we shouldn't even be having this conversation. Knowing how PSG would act in the 2nd half, he had the direct opportunity to sub him at half-time yet chose not to, which further highlights his incompetence. If we're a goal down with 11 men, we can still come back, but being a man down too makes it an almost impossible task. That is on him.
It absolutely does matter. Which is why managers Ike Mourinho and LVG picked United. As it was an honour for them to manage such a huge club. It's why we keep signing big name players like Pogba and co despite often not being in the CL. It's why we're very rich and were trying to bring Bindesligas biggest talent in as opposed to our player wanting to go there.
Completely true. Let's just not ignore those moments players had just so we can bash Ole. He wasn't responsible for the result, our players had every op.
That is on fred
You're rewriting history here. Ole could have got someone of the ilk of Ighalo/Cavani the summer of last year too, I remember Giroud or Llorente being mentioned as options back then, but he chose not to. Ole only wanted young "United players" for the future back then.
