That is what I thought, but I guess Bruno plays higher up the pitch and is very productive so him losing the ball isn't considered as egregious.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Well... I didn't say "win the league" or "win the champions league" - that would still depend on luck among other things. As the team hasn't won anything yet, it would be tough to even call us favourites irrespective of whom we sign.
More like the brand of the club and of course, money talks.
a claim that is pure nonsense. Neither Varane nor Sancho are on Alexis type contracts for it to be claimed money is why they are here. Plus players are not so stupid that they play for a club who are run by a dunce just because its a big club.
So... what does make a good coach to you? Is it just trophies then? Well... LvG won the FA Cup and Mou won the Europa... I'm sure they are better than Ole. So Ole has to actually win a trophy or 2 to prove himself to you? Are you sure you will be satisfied with his progress then? I'm pretty sure I can here you saying, "Well... he may have won the FA Cup, but that doesn't prove anything. He needs to win the league.... well, he may have won the league.. but he has to win the treble to prove himself"So Ole is magically a great coach because he may sign Varane?Ole may be a decent DoF, but I haven't seen anything that makes me convinced that he's a great coach that can win the big trophies.
Some people are never happy.
The manager as well, lets not forget the reason we missed out on Varane in the first place was because of Zidane. At the time Zidane had nothing on SAF but he was still a deciding factor.
Club is putting incredible amount of trust on Ole, a long contract and buying top quality players for him. But I am still not at all convinced that he is the man to bring titles (PL especially) back to the club. Surely, the players are mostly happy with his approach and so they are playing well as well. But apart from player brilliance and luck, I am yet to see a tactical brilliance from Ole to win a match.
True. But not sure that’s the case here.
Ole has done a great job off the pitch, no doubt. On the pitch, very hit and miss and based on the players, we should have done better (even in the league imo, we collapsed too many times). I hope he progressed so we challenge like a top team
You are right, you probably haven’t and that’s fair. Football isn’t for everyone after all.
Strange enough, we tend to do really well against top teams but struggle against weaker sides. Hope he is able to improve that
I was pointing out the importance of a manager. I also don’t understand why it’s so difficult for people to understand why Ole is a big pull and yet we have seen players join clubs because of a manager.
Yea, and I don’t claim to be someone who I am not. But as you claim to understand football better than me, could you please point me to the matches we have won because of Ole? Tnx
Talksport are frothing at the mouth about Ole's new contract. All their ABU pundits are harping on about how Ole is a serial loser. Not one cent of praise given about the job he has done to steady the ship. We sign Sancho...Ole wont win anything. We sign Varane...Ole wont win Anthing.
Clickbait kinda works for That Channel.
Clickbait kinda works for That Channel.
First of all, top teams mostly play expansive football and so a counter attacking team will find more space to attack. Also, against top teams the players mostly gives it all or works harder.
Sorry I won’t do that, this has been pointed out alot of times on the Ole threads from last season. If you still believe he isn’t technical then that’s alright.
We have about 50% on here that need to be told by media like TalkSport or opposition fans that Ole's good for United before they believe it so I'm not surprised they're running those narratives.
Expectations will be huge next season, but they should be.
If the club adds a DM before the end of the window, it'll be the first time we've had a complete squad in a long time. We've always been left one or two players short.
But even without that we should still expect to challenge.
If the club adds a DM before the end of the window, it'll be the first time we've had a complete squad in a long time. We've always been left one or two players short.
But even without that we should still expect to challenge.
Okay then. I am still waiting for a match which Ole turned it around and won or won against the odds with his sheer tactical brilliance.
Leeds game. You can also read the article below.
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/metr...s-ole-gunnar-solskjaers-tactics-14468009/amp/
I am shocked at the level of hatred for Ole. No wonder people have left CAF. The amount of negativity and toxicity in this thread is too much. Its not worth posting in this thread any more -
Feels like a rival forum most of the times.
People are entitled to believe what they want. And I've been following this (and all the previous Ole threads)... and its always the same. They clearly cannot understand logic and ignore facts at their own discretion. You can't really have a debate.
What I'll say is this - Ole is our manager and will be for a while. Deal with it.
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Yia it's very difficult to have a debate with the person you replied to.
That narrative of managers attracting world class players is mostly nonsense. There are only 1-2 managers in the world where players would genuinely sign because of them. Chelsea signed Hazard with no manager at all... I don't think players care much who the manager is, barely any of them last more than 2 years anyway.Where has the narrative of "Solskjær doesn't have the ability to attract world class players" gone?
Thank you for validating my rationale.
It is essentially just Pep and may be Jose 4-5 years back.
We beat Southampton 3-2 last season at the Saint Mary's because Ole changed a few things after the break, there are More Like PSG games so what are you on about??
I don't think a decade or two ago Ole would have been up there with the top coaches - I suspect he would have been a mid table coach who gets a go at Spurs at some point. In this era though we've actually got a lot of coaches around Europe who haven't won much. Good managers but sometimes struggle to get over the line.
Even Klopp was like that for a long time - always getting to finals and losing. Or Pep has a weird mental block about the CL these days it seems. But they are nonetheless winners, while there are guys like Poch and Rodgers who've hardly won anything but are still regarded as top coaches (albeit well done to Rodgers on the FA Cup win, could be a platform to build on). Weirdly Tuchel is the opposite - doesn't get his teams playing nice stuff but seems to know how to win.
You'd have to say Simeone, Klopp, Pep, Conte, Flick and (perhaps) Tuchel are genuine world class managers and there aren't too many others. So yeah I think Ole deserves some respect, despite probably not being at Man Utd if we were in a different era where there were more top managers around. In this era he's up there, and until a world class coach is available why would we gamble on some other nearly man rather than backing our own guy.
Even Klopp was like that for a long time - always getting to finals and losing. Or Pep has a weird mental block about the CL these days it seems. But they are nonetheless winners, while there are guys like Poch and Rodgers who've hardly won anything but are still regarded as top coaches (albeit well done to Rodgers on the FA Cup win, could be a platform to build on). Weirdly Tuchel is the opposite - doesn't get his teams playing nice stuff but seems to know how to win.
You'd have to say Simeone, Klopp, Pep, Conte, Flick and (perhaps) Tuchel are genuine world class managers and there aren't too many others. So yeah I think Ole deserves some respect, despite probably not being at Man Utd if we were in a different era where there were more top managers around. In this era he's up there, and until a world class coach is available why would we gamble on some other nearly man rather than backing our own guy.
You can add Mancini to the list too.
It is really a case of whether you want to see it or not. There have been several matches where Ole's tactics have been spot on. He has certain tactical weaknesses but what you are saying is pure horseshit.
And if the entire squad had his technical ability, we'd be around 14th.
Klopp won his first two finals at Dortmund: the 2008 Supercup and the 2012 German Cup final.
You have to be kidding, right?
Tuchel's Dortmund were beautiful to watch. I would say they were as good to watch as City. His PSG and Chelsea haven't been up to that level but he still plays football mostly on the front foot which I feel is essential to win in this day and age.
https://twitter.com/EBL2017?s=09
This guy's account (a Liverpool fan, no less) is wall to wall reminders of what Ole came into when he arrived at the club and just how good of a job he did, going all the way back to 2019. Yet we still have people on here who can't bring themselves to give credit to the man for the job he did, and instead give only the most backhanded of compliments.
This guy's account (a Liverpool fan, no less) is wall to wall reminders of what Ole came into when he arrived at the club and just how good of a job he did, going all the way back to 2019. Yet we still have people on here who can't bring themselves to give credit to the man for the job he did, and instead give only the most backhanded of compliments.
What's so unbelievable, exactly?
Any big club can play good attacking football against Bundesliga defences IMO. Even Bayern's defence isn't that special.
He's basically saying if Poch, Rodgers, Naaglesman or Tuchel make a signing the player is only going for the money because these managers don't have any pull but if United make a signing the money makes no difference because we have Ole.
The good quite clearly outweighs the bad. And he keeps improving day by day.
But some people made up their mind about Ole a long time ago. I'm almost 100% sure that if we surveyed the 'Ole out' supporters and they answered honestly, practically 0% of them became 'Ole out' post Bruno(i.e in the last 18 months). Which begs the question:
1. Do they not see the obvious improvements?
2. Do they see the improvements, but think they aren't enough?
3. Do they see the improvements, acknowledge that he's done a good job, but are convinced that he has peaked already?
Based on what I've seen in here, the Ole out posters have been on a bit of a journey. Most started at number 1. Then almost everyone moved to number 2. These days I'm seeing more and more people move to number 3, which is funny because it's all based on guesses about the future. They have decided that they know Ole's peak despite never seeing Ole manage a truly top class team.
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