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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Lets see if we can be the best team of England before we can be the best team in the world. Let's win the PL.
My expectations for CL hasn't been high from the start anyway.
SAF only won the CL twice in absolute ages not sure why you expect Ole to win it after rebuilding United.
Anyway, one game in and people are knocking us out of the CL after a red card performance.
The only one creating division is you with this nonsense
He doesn't help himself at times.
Poor Ronnie so lonely up there. Christ
No nobody does that. But we've made it so so much harder to ourselves. Just like last year which is pretty damning as we don't seem to learn.
But yeah there's no excuse to not get out of this group with the players at Ole's disposel.
Shambolic from our manager and team last night. Why the hell anyone would think taking off Ronaldo and Fernandes to bring on Matic and Lingard, neither of which should still be at the club, was a good idea is beyond me. Again, losing away in the Champions League is not the problem it is the never-ending procession of unconvincing performances, mixed with dire attitudes and bizarre coaching decisions, hoping that a bit of magic from attacking players will see us through that creates most concern.
Wow, when did he realise that? Today!
I don’t think whether the poster called them a shot on goal or an attempt is really important at all. Their point is that we didn’t play at all after the sending off and that simply is unacceptable. Hope that clears it up for you.
I’m just depressed after that.
Honestly all this talk of progressive football and taking the next step from Ole over the summer and through preseason and here we are dropping another clanger of a result in our first CL match while parking the bus against Young Boys, FFS.
A man down or not that is embarrassing and that is not progressive or progress. Especially considering the transfer window we’ve just had. There’s plenty that could be said about the subs and tactics and team selection but honestly I can’t be bothered.
It’s just a kick in the pills.
Honestly all this talk of progressive football and taking the next step from Ole over the summer and through preseason and here we are dropping another clanger of a result in our first CL match while parking the bus against Young Boys, FFS.
A man down or not that is embarrassing and that is not progressive or progress. Especially considering the transfer window we’ve just had. There’s plenty that could be said about the subs and tactics and team selection but honestly I can’t be bothered.
It’s just a kick in the pills.
Can’t be a real quote from a manager
How do you expect to send a midfielder closer to Ronnie, when you subbing one off the pitch for a defender?
I don't see how he can possibly survive the excruciating embarrassment of witnessing Ronaldo, Pogba and Varane in the Europa League, that would be absolutely on him.
This may sound like a kneejerk after some posts I made yesterday but here it goes.
I'm still probably more Ole in than out and some, many things he has done in and around the club have been great. Club is in a lot better shape than in what it was when he took the job, from recruiting to the general atmosphere in and around the club. And I wont take the PE teaches stuff, we did get 3rd and 2nd in the league and EL final and it wasnt all thanks to the players cause that would mean we have players who are beyond brilliant cause they can play all by themselves. Sure it could have been better maybe but the results still stand.
Problem is some problems still repeat themselves time and time again. I get it, we were man down but instead of putting 2 defensive players instead of a midfielder and a winger you just take out for instance Sancho and put Dalot in or Varane with Lindelof then playing a RB and that's it. By making changes he made yesterday he made a right mess, we had 2 midfielders on a paper but in reality it was just Fred or better yet we didnt have a midfield at all. VDB was ok yesterday and could have been ok for ball retaining and keeping us in the game in midfield, instead we went for a 3 at the back for god knows what reason. And even with that formation we seem to have decided to sit back and invite pressure and wait for the game to finish. Bonkers all around. I get it when you go man down you go defensive a bit but not so defensive to play with 9 players in your half and you dont get a sniff of their box let alone making a chance or 2. You play with 4 mids for instance and hit them on the counter or press them and dominate the game or if anything try to score a 2nd and close the game. Instead we were defending for our lives agains Young Boys with all due respect for them.
Sure we have 5 more games but wins in our home games are not given cause Villareal and Atalanta are really good teams. Atalanta playing an open game every time will suit us at OT but in away games anything can happen especially if the plan is to nick a goal and wait for the final whistle. I guess that was the plan yesterday 2 and red complicated things to the extent that Ole didnt exactly know what to do and how to do it. Taking Ronaldo of for Jesse, why? What could have Jesse offered. And from last season when he was barely playing he's now a player who comes in in i CL tie for what, steadying the middle or something. I just hope he isnt playing cause Ole wants to convince him to sign a new contract.Taking Bruno of was icing on the cake. We decided to go ultra defensive against a solid Suisse team by throwing defensive players left right and centre instead of trying to control the game and midfield by every means possible, calm their pressure down and try to score in the other end. Painful, painful watch. I think I'm repeating myself here...
Ole can prepare a team which can batter teams every now and then but when our team is pressed and is on the back foot he sometimes, often doesnt know how to change things on the pitch and it's a recurring theme unfortunately. Not only that but we tend to get dominated by average to poor teams too. We got dominated at Southamtpon, Wolves and yesterday. Against Leeds and Newcastle we were good but even against Newcastle we got carved open a few times like there's no midfield of ours of any sort.
I predict a similar season as yesterday, we'll win many games just by having so great firepower who can score from nothing but will get outdone in some games in which we should have won or in the dying minutes of some games cause our gameplan will collapse and it will be our outdoing when games like that mass. We will be near the top but will never really challenge for the title and will go good if we go through in our CL group. Sure you can say 5 more games but it will be tricky games especially if we'll play like yesterday.
I hate when I see that 'sackable offense' stuff 'round here but not going through in a group like that should be a sackable offense really no matter how we'll do in the league at the time group stages close.
Jury is still out regarding this season and we had a strong beginning in the league but that game yesterday. Ugh.
And his comments about doing good to earn a point in a difficult game. What is that? It means we consciously went so defensive in the 2nd half not cause they pinned us back. Whatever it was it was a horrible watch.
I'm still probably more Ole in than out and some, many things he has done in and around the club have been great. Club is in a lot better shape than in what it was when he took the job, from recruiting to the general atmosphere in and around the club. And I wont take the PE teaches stuff, we did get 3rd and 2nd in the league and EL final and it wasnt all thanks to the players cause that would mean we have players who are beyond brilliant cause they can play all by themselves. Sure it could have been better maybe but the results still stand.
Problem is some problems still repeat themselves time and time again. I get it, we were man down but instead of putting 2 defensive players instead of a midfielder and a winger you just take out for instance Sancho and put Dalot in or Varane with Lindelof then playing a RB and that's it. By making changes he made yesterday he made a right mess, we had 2 midfielders on a paper but in reality it was just Fred or better yet we didnt have a midfield at all. VDB was ok yesterday and could have been ok for ball retaining and keeping us in the game in midfield, instead we went for a 3 at the back for god knows what reason. And even with that formation we seem to have decided to sit back and invite pressure and wait for the game to finish. Bonkers all around. I get it when you go man down you go defensive a bit but not so defensive to play with 9 players in your half and you dont get a sniff of their box let alone making a chance or 2. You play with 4 mids for instance and hit them on the counter or press them and dominate the game or if anything try to score a 2nd and close the game. Instead we were defending for our lives agains Young Boys with all due respect for them.
Sure we have 5 more games but wins in our home games are not given cause Villareal and Atalanta are really good teams. Atalanta playing an open game every time will suit us at OT but in away games anything can happen especially if the plan is to nick a goal and wait for the final whistle. I guess that was the plan yesterday 2 and red complicated things to the extent that Ole didnt exactly know what to do and how to do it. Taking Ronaldo of for Jesse, why? What could have Jesse offered. And from last season when he was barely playing he's now a player who comes in in i CL tie for what, steadying the middle or something. I just hope he isnt playing cause Ole wants to convince him to sign a new contract.Taking Bruno of was icing on the cake. We decided to go ultra defensive against a solid Suisse team by throwing defensive players left right and centre instead of trying to control the game and midfield by every means possible, calm their pressure down and try to score in the other end. Painful, painful watch. I think I'm repeating myself here...
Ole can prepare a team which can batter teams every now and then but when our team is pressed and is on the back foot he sometimes, often doesnt know how to change things on the pitch and it's a recurring theme unfortunately. Not only that but we tend to get dominated by average to poor teams too. We got dominated at Southamtpon, Wolves and yesterday. Against Leeds and Newcastle we were good but even against Newcastle we got carved open a few times like there's no midfield of ours of any sort.
I predict a similar season as yesterday, we'll win many games just by having so great firepower who can score from nothing but will get outdone in some games in which we should have won or in the dying minutes of some games cause our gameplan will collapse and it will be our outdoing when games like that mass. We will be near the top but will never really challenge for the title and will go good if we go through in our CL group. Sure you can say 5 more games but it will be tricky games especially if we'll play like yesterday.
I hate when I see that 'sackable offense' stuff 'round here but not going through in a group like that should be a sackable offense really no matter how we'll do in the league at the time group stages close.
Jury is still out regarding this season and we had a strong beginning in the league but that game yesterday. Ugh.
And his comments about doing good to earn a point in a difficult game. What is that? It means we consciously went so defensive in the 2nd half not cause they pinned us back. Whatever it was it was a horrible watch.
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Ha ha. This is so true.
He should but if he would is questionable. Can't see glazers make a simple but bold call for them. At the same time can't see the players supporting him if we are out at group stages.
He should have brought Varane on for Sancho and moved Lindelof to RB.
We could've won the game if he hadn't went full Mourinho.
We could've won the game if he hadn't went full Mourinho.
Sure. 15th of September 2025.
I'm not a fanboy (what are you, 15?) but gave you a date nevertheless.
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Poor from him yesterday. Young boys in our league would definitely finish 20th, so being ashamed by them is a proof of how poor we are managed.
First thing the team wasn't really sharp before AWB's red. The line up was ok, but it was clear that it would have been a difficult game.
What is more amazing is how poor we were, once reduced at ten. These are all international, top level players who can't get the ball and pass the ball. We are really missing a brain or two in this team for this kind of moment, and this is exactly where the manager comes into consideration.
We can talk about his changes.
Sancho ==> Ok he was average and needed to remove one attacking player
VDB off at half time ==> Once again he destroys his confidence
Playing five at the back ==> accepts the pressure against a weak team
Matic and Lingard ==> Playing Lingard is fine, but playing him alone as a 9 when we try to keep the score.. useless
Martial for 5 mins ==> Just funny
First thing the team wasn't really sharp before AWB's red. The line up was ok, but it was clear that it would have been a difficult game.
What is more amazing is how poor we were, once reduced at ten. These are all international, top level players who can't get the ball and pass the ball. We are really missing a brain or two in this team for this kind of moment, and this is exactly where the manager comes into consideration.
We can talk about his changes.
Sancho ==> Ok he was average and needed to remove one attacking player
VDB off at half time ==> Once again he destroys his confidence
Playing five at the back ==> accepts the pressure against a weak team
Matic and Lingard ==> Playing Lingard is fine, but playing him alone as a 9 when we try to keep the score.. useless
Martial for 5 mins ==> Just funny
Crazy to think we've lost 7 out of the 11 CL games he's been in charge. Thats 13% of our entire losses in the CL and Solskjaer has only been in charge for 5% of all games in our CL history.
We're going nowhere fast with him at the helm and not even the best squad ever assembled can disguise his ineptitude.
The fact he's still not talking about winning big despite having Ronaldo and being entrusted with hundreds of millions in transfer money in his time here speaks volumes. No one sees us a major threat. Tuchel in the meantime has turned Chelsea, the club who fired their biggest icon and legend, into European champions and major favorites for honors on all fronts in less than a year. Something has to give
We're going nowhere fast with him at the helm and not even the best squad ever assembled can disguise his ineptitude.
The fact he's still not talking about winning big despite having Ronaldo and being entrusted with hundreds of millions in transfer money in his time here speaks volumes. No one sees us a major threat. Tuchel in the meantime has turned Chelsea, the club who fired their biggest icon and legend, into European champions and major favorites for honors on all fronts in less than a year. Something has to give
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We wouldn’t have lost that under Mourinho.
Aye, proper European manager that. Would be out of the question to lose to a Swiss team under him, like Basel.
Also being outwitted in 3 other semi finals.
That's obviously bullshit. What Ole did yesterday was classic Mourinho.
This has been just talk for 3 and a half years now.
Oh, don’t worry, mate. The cultists will find someone.
The midfield. It's happening already.
I swear. While watching the match live, I thought to myself this is exactly how we were with Mourinho at the helm. Awful football. The members on here defending Ole would be calling for Mourinho's head. However now we have threads about how online fans are awful.
You have problems with sarcasm mate.
Actually I dont. Mate.
But please tell us some more about his fanbois, cultists and supporters? I think you never talk about that.
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Chelsea went a man down a way to a far superior side and barely conceded a chance after.
I know every game is different but the main issue here was that the direction the match went was entirely predictable after that red card. That's the biggest indictment.
The people saying "it's just one game" are being disingenuous and doing a massive disservice to their own arguments.
A lot of elements in that performance are a general theme of our game under this manager. We weren't even in control of the game before the red card.
I know every game is different but the main issue here was that the direction the match went was entirely predictable after that red card. That's the biggest indictment.
The people saying "it's just one game" are being disingenuous and doing a massive disservice to their own arguments.
A lot of elements in that performance are a general theme of our game under this manager. We weren't even in control of the game before the red card.
Dont underestimate his supporters. They already prepared a list of excuses.
You're right. He has done a goof job but as a manager and coach, his limitations will never allow this team reach its potential.
If Ole left United would he get a job at West Ham/Wolves/Villareal?
If Klopp left Liverpool would he get a job at Madrid/Juve/Dortmund...?
If Pep left City would he get a job back at Barca/Real/Milan?
That is the difference.
Ole is like that manager who used to run a McD franchise and only got his plushy C-Level because his dad owns the company.
While Pep kind of graduated cum laude from Harvard and was a manager at Google.
If Klopp left Liverpool would he get a job at Madrid/Juve/Dortmund...?
If Pep left City would he get a job back at Barca/Real/Milan?
That is the difference.
Ole is like that manager who used to run a McD franchise and only got his plushy C-Level because his dad owns the company.
While Pep kind of graduated cum laude from Harvard and was a manager at Google.
We barely conceded any chances. Defense was not the problem, it was offense. Did Chelsea create anything after going a man down?
That's your opinion, but I don't think it's accurate. BBC says we were well in control before the red, so not sure what you're standards were.
I wish if like the covid passports that each name on this forum had a - wanted Jose or didn't want Jose sign.
Would give me a big idea what kind of idea a person's mindset is.
Would give me a big idea what kind of idea a person's mindset is.
This was supposedly ‘the season’ where we can ‘fully’ judge Ole — i.e. to confirm if he’s just a manager who has gutted players who needed to go, added a feel good factor back to the club, and given us some good memories BUT one who can’t progress any further than that with actual silverware.
If we end this season without a trophy I really can’t see how he merits retaining his job.
As long as he gets top four he will be fine, he's just signed a new contract with the club. Just for the record I'm not defending him he's taken us as afar as he can and he's not the right manager for us.
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