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Out of his depth. Needs to go.
 

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Underlying everything that’s wrong at Old Trafford is the absence of accountability. Ole can’t be expected to resign, but somebody upstairs must hold him accountable is some way.
 

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Least he didn't blame this defeat on Varane injury or Fred not being back from South America
 

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I don't like the fact how some feel criticizing him means criticizing the club. He is not above the club, heck even sir alex is not bigger than this club. He is doing a poor job and excuses needs to stop.
 

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Underlying everything that’s wrong at Old Trafford is the absence of accountability. Ole can’t be expected to resign, but somebody upstairs must hold him accountable is some way.
And even more importantly hold accountable the idiots who deemed it wise to give him not one but two 3-year contracts.

Woodward will go down as one of the worst CEOs of any major club in the history of the game. But his feckwit bosses still love him.
 
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I don't like the fact how some feel criticizing him means criticizing the club. He is not above the club, heck even sir alex is not bigger than this club. He is doing a poor job and excuses needs to stop.
It's the same sort of folks who think criticizing the government or the policy-makers is the same as criticizing the country. He's had 3 and a half years, he's way past excuses at this point.
 

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It's the same sort of folks who think criticizing the government or the policy-makers is the same as criticizing the country. He's had 3 and a half years, he's way past excuses at this point.
Exactly. The lame argument that no one can do a better job than him or other experienced managers like Jose or van gaal failed so we shouldn't hire conte or someone like them does my head. He has taken as far as he could and appreciate that but now I feel we have reached a peak under him and are regressing.
 

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More and more pundits are seeing how much he has turned us into a team who rely on individual brilliance too much
 

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Ole is not the sole issue at the club right now, and no matter who we bring in, I think we will struggle to compete this season. Perhaps our squad isn't as good as it appears on paper.

That said, you put Ole in charge of any of City, Pool and Chelsea and none of them would win the league. He is simply not a good enough football manager for the highest level/standards sadly.
 

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He won't get another job anywhere in Europe other than Norway. Maybe as DOF. I still would have liked him to be successful but it feels too late now.
 

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For once, can we please sack the manager before the season is a complete bust. Please. For the love of God. Please.
 

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For once, can we please sack the manager before the season is a complete bust. Please. For the love of God. Please.
This squad is too good to piss away a season for. There will be an exodus next summer at this rate. Need to be ambitious here.
 

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Perhaps he has reached his ceiling in terms of how much he can rebuild the squad and where he can take us.
 

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I'm so gutted this team will be wasted by Solskjær. We literally have a team that could challenge to the end here. We're obviously still a few signings from a title win, but we're so close.
 

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This myth really needs to die, our record vs Big Six in league is mediocre. It won't lead to any silverware (that's discounting the fact we struggle so much vs the rest anyway) There are multitudes of reason for this, but the most prominent one is, we are quite predictable when we play these matches.

MUFC 18-19

1. Spurs W1 D0 L0, GF 1, GA 0
2. Liverpool W0 D1 L0, GF 0, GA 0
3. Arsenal W0 D0 L1, GF 0, GA 2
4. Man City W0 D0 L1, GF, 0, GA 2
5. Chelsea W0 D1 L0, GF 1, GA 1

W1, D2, L2

That's total of 5 points out of 15, with 2 goals scored, 5 conceded with GD of -3.

MUFC 19-20

1. Chelsea W2 D0 L0, GF 6, GA 0
2. Arsenal W0 D1 L1, GF 1, GA 3
3. Liverpool W0 D1 L1, GF 1, GA 3
4. Spurs W1 D1 L0, GF 3, GA 1
5. Man City W2 D0 L0, GF 4, GA 1

W5, D3, L2

That's total of 18 points out of 30, with 15 goals scored, 8 conceded with GD of +7. By far our best run vs Top 6.

MUFC 20-21

1. Spurs W1 D0 L1, GF 4, GA 7
2. Chelsea W0 D2 L0, GF 0, GA 0
3. Arsenal W0 D1 L1, GF 0, GA 1
4. Man City W1 D1 L0, GF 2, GA 0
5. Liverpool W0 D1 L1, GF 2, GA 4

W2, D5, L3.

That's total of 11 points out of 30, with 8 goals scored, 12 conceded with GD of -4.

So, overall in Ole's tenure, we have won 34 points out of possible 75 vs "Big Six" with 8 wins, 10 draws, and 8 losses whereby we have scored 25 goals and conceded 25 for GD of 0.

To put things into perspective. Record for last 3 PL winners vs Top 6 (Man City x2, and Liverpool) is

Man City

1. Arsenal W4 D0 L0, GF 7, GA 1
2. Liverpool W2 D2 L0, GF 7, GA 3
3. Spurs W3 D0 L1, GF 5, GA 2
4. Chelsea W2 D0 L2, GF 10, GA 5
5. Man Utd W2 D0 L2, GF 5, GA 3

That's total of 43 points out of possible 60, with 34 goals scored, 12 conceded with GD of +22.

Liverpool

1. Arsenal W1 D0 L1, GF 4, GA1
2. Chelsea W2 D0 L0, GF 7, GA 3
3. Man Utd W1 D1 L0, GF 3, GA 1
4. Spurs W2 D0 L0, GF 3, GA 1
5. Man City W1 D0 L1, GF 3, GA 5

That's total of 22 points out of possible 30, with 20 goals scored, 11 conceded with GD of +9.


The standard of our competitors is too high in the Premier League. If we are aiming to compete for the PL, these records vs Top 6 won't cut the muster. Someone like Tuchel has a tiny sample, but his record is W5, D1, L2. 16 points out of possible 24 vs Big six. We need to win ~70% of points in our upcoming matches vs Big 6, because that's the standard for PL winners in past 3 years.
Interesting and thorough analysis. It’s ‘cut the mustard’, by the way. :). Or ‘pass muster’.
 

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Looks like he went to the surgeon and asked for botox but instead got buttocks...
You can hear it in the accent. After he looked in the mirror he grinned, and said no worries, these things happen in surgeries. We know we can make this work, win the 50/50’s, its our way, it’s in the DNA.
 

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Ole is not the sole issue at the club right now, and no matter who we bring in, I think we will struggle to compete this season. Perhaps our squad isn't as good as it appears on paper.

That said, you put Ole in charge of any of City, Pool and Chelsea and none of them would win the league. He is simply not a good enough football manager for the highest level/standards sadly.
The squad is unbalanced, top heavy but thin and lacks quality in midfield. However Ole told us he has a veto on all incoming players so why did he spend 40m on VDB when he had no idea of how to use him and doesn't even attempt to try? Sancho was his holy grail so why did we spend over 30m on Diallo and Pellistiri?

All those were done at the opportunity cost of signing a DM that would bring balance to our side. If the situation is allowed to fester we will be back where he found us by the end of the season, just 420m poorer. The balance is leading to insecurity and that insecurity is affecting our forward play so some of the players will lose confidence and we might never recover them.

Then there is the issue of another season we are willing to write off. It's clear to anyone who can look at our situation objectively that Ole was never good enough and he is done but the messages coming out of the club is that of a board concerned with optics and trying to display a sense of calm when decisions need to be made before the season and this squad's potential slips away.
 

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Underlying everything that’s wrong at Old Trafford is the absence of accountability. Ole can’t be expected to resign, but somebody upstairs must hold him accountable is some way.
It's Woodward who should have been held accountable for four disastrous managerial appointments but won't be. He still has the same power he had despite proving how out of depth he is in running a top football club. The people who haven't held him accountable will be appointing his replacement so we are fecked either way.
 

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It's Woodward who should have been held accountable for four disastrous managerial appointments but won't be. He still has the same power he had despite proving how out of depth he is in running a top football club. The people who haven't held him accountable will be appointing his replacement so we are fecked either way.
Maybe Gary Neville will reopen his Captain United bag again and blame Woodward after 3 years of silence from him.
 

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What a disappointment he turned out to be. Absolutely conned us into thinking he will take us to promised land talking about DNA , attacking football, united way, special club, unique place etc etc. He knew what he was doing , he knew he is out of his depth, he knew he doesn’t have tactics or a plan good enough to win titles. Yet he used our love for him to believe in him that he knows what he is doing, fooling us and the board in the process to get contract after contract demanding player after player. Time and again he was exposed but he hid behind plethora of excuses deadwood , project, process, culture and many more buzzwords. You can’t tell me he is innocent he is a smart man and he exactly knew what the masses wanted to hear and he pressed those buttons.


We as fans are sentimental to the very core. It is not just a football club to us. Take it away from my life forever and I will find it difficult to cope for years to come maybe never. A former player/legend becoming our manager to win us the titles is what we fell for, partly because we were sick of the toxicity of previous managers and partly because we are emotional fools. We believed and believed and believed, clinging on to every positive in all these 3-4 years of his time to calm down/ delude ourselves that we are on the right path and our legend is the man to win us titles ignoring the absolute fraudulence of the highest order that was taking place behind our back using our trust. He knew he wasn’t good enough from the begining but cared about himself more than the club and now he goes (soon please? ) with 30-50 million in the pocket leaving us divided, hopeless and exhausted.

There is a lesson there somewhere for us as fans and for the life in general.
 
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At the start of the season i was buzzing and had the feeling of "we can beat anyone", now that feeling has been replaced by "we can be beat by anyone".

3 years and hundreds of millions spent, the displays we've had this season is not even close to good enough. Ole deserves credit for the stabilizing and rebuilding the club with a very good balance of youth and experience, but he needs to go, ideally as soon as possible

There is just so much wrong with the way we play. Lazy touches and sloppy passes, not commiting in duels and challenges, greedy up front. The worst though imo has been our defending.

We see our front 4 push up and do some half arsed "press" where our players jog towards the ball, but with no real attempt to win it, and with no follow up from our midfield and defense. All the opponent has to do is a couple of easy passes or just take the ball past our lazy "press" and voila, they are through the first line of defense who is not sitting about 30-50 yards ahead of the midfield

I dont want fecking Conte, so hopefully we try to poach one of these young managers like Ten Haag, Rose or Potter.
 

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At the start of the season i was buzzing and had the feeling of "we can beat anyone", now that feeling has been replaced by "we can be beat by anyone".

3 years and hundreds of millions spent, the displays we've had this season is not even close to good enough. Ole deserves credit for the stabilizing and rebuilding the club with a very good balance of youth and experience, but he needs to go, ideally as soon as possible

There is just so much wrong with the way we play. Lazy touches and sloppy passes, not commiting in duels and challenges, greedy up front. The worst though imo has been our defending.

We see our front 4 push up and do some half arsed "press" where our players jog towards the ball, but with no real attempt to win it, and with no follow up from our midfield and defense. All the opponent has to do is a couple of easy passes or just take the ball past our lazy "press" and voila, they are through the first line of defense who is not sitting about 30-50 yards ahead of the midfield

I dont want fecking Conte, so hopefully we try to poach one of these young managers like Ten Haag, Rose or Potter.
I like this post. It’s a shame that Ole’s tactics are lacking as he’s done just about everything else so we’ll since coming aboard.

I would be 100% behind Potter. He’s got Brighton playing far better than the squad’s talent suggests, and from his time in Sweden he seems to have shown the club building, unifying qualities I admire in Ole so much.
 

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This squad is too good to piss away a season for. There will be an exodus next summer at this rate. Need to be ambitious here.
This is why I want him gone right now. This squad is so good, that we all know that we would win something with a good manager.

Maybe this project could lure Flick away from the national team. Pay whatever it takes I say.
 

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Longer he is here the more of a mess he’ll leave behind, yes it makes everyone at the club look incompetent but that’s going to happen when they have to sack him anyway.

This whole rebuild and cultural reboot has always been devoid of any substance and whoever succeeds Ole has a lot of work to do.
I dont know about cultural reboot, thats just a buzzword imo, but there is no doubt the club is less toxic now than it was under Jose. The rebuild though i think hes done very well

  • AWB: I know opinions on him are split, but as far as RB signings go, hes the best we have done in a LONG time. Valencia, Dalot and that awful Italian bloke are nowhere near AWB when it comes to defensive skills and honestly i think AWB looks much better in attack this season and considering how young he still is i dont see why he cant improve further
  • Maguire: Yes, yesterday was a stonewall 1/10 from him, but he showed last year and at the Euros how good he can be.
  • Varane: Best CB siging we made since Vidic
  • James: Decent squad player, which we even earned some money for
  • Diallo/Pellestri: Way to early to say, but could turn into great players one day
  • Fernandes: Best #10 in the league
  • Cavani/Ronaldo: They are just stop-gaps, but having those two in the dressing room is going to mean a lot to the youngsters like Greenwood, Hannibal and Lindgard
  • VdB: Either a bad fit or just a bad player. 100% a bad signing though
  • Sancho: I am confident that once hes had time to settle and adjust hes going to be great
  • Telles: Hes been underwhelming, but simply as a back up hes been ok
To be clear, i think Ole needs to go too, but lets not rewrite history here. The squad is undoubtedly MUCH stronger than the one he inherited and even though hes spent a lot of money, so did Jose and LvG and neither of those managed to strengthen us significantly
 

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Match of the Day gets it well:

"They look like a team who has no plan whatsoeve either in possession or outs off possession."
"They are a team without an identity"
"They need to ga back to basics and think about a plan"

FFS how there are people who still think Ole is a good manager, can build a team and is the way forward for us.. If you dont have a plan after years, why are we still patient with this guy?

We dont create shit as a team, its all hoping for individual sparks to win games..

But he also really doesnt seem to learn.. Even if you have in your mind McFred is a good solution for double pivot and Matic is still a player to play in midfield at this moment.. When you have tried it a couple times and see it just doesnt work as you hoped, you go out there and try to fix it and try something else right? Why is he persisting in continuing making choices which have proved time and time again are NOT working.

He should go ASAP. He is just not a top manager and Manchester United deservers a top manager.. Imagine if Ole hadnt had the history at United, how long do you think he would have lasted?
 

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I dont know about cultural reboot, thats just a buzzword imo, but there is no doubt the club is less toxic now than it was under Jose. The rebuild though i think hes done very well

  • AWB: I know opinions on him are split, but as far as RB signings go, hes the best we have done in a LONG time. Valencia, Dalot and that awful Italian bloke are nowhere near AWB when it comes to defensive skills and honestly i think AWB looks much better in attack this season and considering how young he still is i dont see why he cant improve further
  • Maguire: Yes, yesterday was a stonewall 1/10 from him, but he showed last year and at the Euros how good he can be.
  • Varane: Best CB siging we made since Vidic
  • James: Decent squad player, which we even earned some money for
  • Diallo/Pellestri: Way to early to say, but could turn into great players one day
  • Fernandes: Best #10 in the league
  • Cavani/Ronaldo: They are just stop-gaps, but having those two in the dressing room is going to mean a lot to the youngsters like Greenwood, Hannibal and Lindgard
  • VdB: Either a bad fit or just a bad player. 100% a bad signing though
  • Sancho: I am confident that once hes had time to settle and adjust hes going to be great
  • Telles: Hes been underwhelming, but simply as a back up hes been ok
To be clear, i think Ole needs to go too, but lets not rewrite history here. The squad is undoubtedly MUCH stronger than the one he inherited and even though hes spent a lot of money, so did Jose and LvG and neither of those managed to strengthen us significantly
AWB: We have been below par at rb for a while. Old Neville, old brown,Valencia, young,darmian, dalot and now AWB. I think AWB is a par signing. Young and expensive , bought from the prem, he's performed reasonably.

Maguire: He's shown he's an above average defender who has a couple big weaknesses that are constantly targeted. When paying the highest transfer fee ever for a defender you'd expect better.

Varane: Has had less than ten games, let's not rush to judgement even though I like the signing as well.

The rest I agree with. So by my count that is

Better than expected: Bruno

About what we expected: Cavani, Ronaldo ,James, AWB, Telles

Below expectations: Maguire, Donny

Too early to tell: Sancho, Varane, Amad, Pellestri .

Not exactly amazing. I'd say an average job done on the recruiting with Sancho and Varane the x factors that could tilt things either way especially considering the amount spent.
 

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As I always believed. He is a good con-artist. Not really surprised that he has managed to still be at a job here because it is only recently a good majority of the fans are turning on him now. I knew since he was a caretaker that he wasn't the right man for the job. When he gets sacked, lots of fans on here will have to be worried because I will be truly vindicated then. Is there a chance that Ole can turn this around? I have seen stranger things happen and it is not like he has an awful squad.
 

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The main point I took from his MotD interview was in his head the reason we aren't doing well is because we aren't running enough, aren't making enough blocks and aren't winning enough headers. That's the tactical insight he has and it's just such Sunday morning league, guy that manages the second team because he's a bit older and can't really play so well but he's been about a long time so he becomes 2nd team manager because no one else will do it level tactical nous. In fact I think I've had better insight from managers at that level in the past.

The rest of the vague pondering... I dont know. Was he expecting the BBC interviewer to answer those for him? "Yeah Ole I think you do need more legs in there. Have you thought about playing McTominay and Fred together?"
 

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It's Woodward who should have been held accountable for four disastrous managerial appointments but won't be. He still has the same power he had despite proving how out of depth he is in running a top football club. The people who haven't held him accountable will be appointing his replacement so we are fecked either way.
This cannot be stressed enough.

At least for the forseeable future, the fanbase should always keep in mind how bad Woodward was for the club. It takes a special level of narcissism to disrupt an organization as large as this one. The moment he started talking (and especially after players like Rio and Evra talked about him), elite-level executives knew.

Minor bit of trivia, one of the easier ways to spot a narcissist is that all have that 'I know better than anyone else' element, but keep in mind two things:

One, this behavior becomes harder to spot as the person in question becomes more accomplished. More accomplished ones can appear - and often are - quite knowledgeable in comparison to their 'followers', and they are better at leveraging that status to cultivate their followers and groom them, so it can be hard to catch them slipping up.

Two, the interesting thing is that this core drive manifests differently from person to person; it does not look the same between people. Trump's "I know more about _____ than anybody" and Woodward's "We can do things in the market..." and his 'slightly-weird' injections of himself into matters ("Wazza-gate", for another example) are the same drive manifested differently (or for example someone who's so used to being called 'smart' and so enamored with that status that they fabricate things; their status enables them to make excuses later and 'get away with it'.)
 

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As I always believed. He is a good con-artist. Not really surprised that he has managed to still be at a job here because it is only recently a good majority of the fans are turning on him now. I knew since he was a caretaker that he wasn't the right man for the job. When he gets sacked, lots of fans on here will have to be worried because I will be truly vindicated then. Is there a chance that Ole can turn this around? I have seen stranger things happen and it is not like he has an awful squad.
He won't be turning it around, results have finally caught up with the performances we have been seeing year after year now. Our fixture list is cruel and it's seriously hard to see us winning more than 1 game out of the next 6 which would definitely be the end for any manager at any club in the world aiming to win trophies. Unfortunately Ole has fooled some of our hardcore fans and I feel he did the same to our board. Our stupid believes of "give anyone 5 years and he will turn into SAF" is holding this club back massively right now and that's unfortunate because we really have a good squad which is being terribly mis-managed.
 

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AWB: We have been below par at rb for a while. Old Neville, old brown,Valencia, young,darmian, dalot and now AWB. I think AWB is a par signing. Young and expensive , bought from the prem, he's performed reasonably.

Maguire: He's shown he's an above average defender who has a couple big weaknesses that are constantly targeted. When paying the highest transfer fee ever for a defender you'd expect better.

Varane: Has had less than ten games, let's not rush to judgement even though I like the signing as well.

The rest I agree with. So by my count that is

Better than expected: Bruno

About what we expected: Cavani, Ronaldo ,James, AWB, Telles

Below expectations: Maguire, Donny

Too early to tell: Sancho, Varane, Amad, Pellestri .

Not exactly amazing. I'd say an average job done on the recruiting with Sancho and Varane the x factors that could tilt things either way especially considering the amount spent.
Compared to his predecessors, hes done really well imo

LvG

Inn
: Di Maria, Shaw, Herrera, Blind, Rojo, Falcao, Marital, Schweinsteiger, Depay, Schneiderlin, Darmian
Out: Welbeck, Kagawa, Di Maria, Buttner, Zaha, Hernandez, Evra, Anderson, Nani, Evans, RvP, Rafael
Net: 205 million

Shaw and Herrera were good signings, the rest is a mixed bag to put it mildly, but his biggest crime was completely gutting the remains of Fergies teams and selling them for peanuts

Jose:
Inn: Pogba, Miki, Zlatan, Baily, Lukaku, Matic, Lindlelof, Sanchez, Fred, Dalot
Out: Schenderlin, Depay, Miki, Blind
Net: 341 million

Joses big crime was bloating the squad and driving the wage bill thorugh the ceiling, while spending a small fortune. It was short sighted and incredibly damaging for the club

Not saying Ole has been perfect in this regard. If he left today, hes going to leave his succesor very light in CM, but in all other areas we have both loads of quality and loads of depth
 

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For me, on paper this is the best squad since 99. Yet, this season, we’ve played some of the worse football - consistently - since 99. Worse than Moyes, LVG, Jose. Take out the Leeds game and we’ve been horrendous. We were second best to a Newcastle side who god only knows lost to us.

He ain’t turning this around because the style of football has been like this for years. We just ain’t scoring goals that flattered to deceive our overall play. No way he lasts November because we won’t have won any games by then.
 

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When did you guys realise Ole wasn't the right guy? For me it was Arsenal away 2019
As soon as we appointed a manager whose CV consisted of managing Molde and getting sacked by Cardiff for relegating them, I knew we had the wrong man. But too many people were caught up in the romanticism of it for logic and reason to matter.
 

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When did you guys realise Ole wasn't the right guy? For me it was Arsenal away 2019
EL final against Villarreal. Any other top manager would die to win their first trophy at their new club. Instead, the performance was all cowardly and we were relying on penalty shootout against a team inferior than us, which we ultimately lost anyway. Emery was known to be an average manager when he was at Arsenal so for Ole to get outsmarted in a final that matters for both of them was embarrassing. At that point I knew he can't be much better than Emery, he might be even worse.
 

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EL final against Villarreal. Any other top manager would die to win their first trophy at their new club. Instead, the performance was all cowardly and we were relying on penalty shootout against a team inferior than us, which we ultimately lost anyway. Emery was known to be an average manager when he was at Arsenal so for Ole to get outsmarted in a final that matters for both of them was embarrassing. At that point I knew he can't be much better than Emery, he might be even worse.
What :lol: Emery is quite clearly a better manager than Ole and has always been. Ole getting outsmarted by Emery is not an embarrassment to Ole, it's natural and was expected.
 

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Two wins from 7, - one of those required a last-minute penalty save, the other, an injury time winner. That is a worrying pattern to say the least.
 
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