While I agree with what he says, I feel these may be a bit out of context with English not being his native language. Don't think Bruno would want to say this openly.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Ouch, that's Pogba and Bruno now calling the coaches out. And also, I'm sick of "improving". Can we become a good team already? How many years do we have to constantly "improve" to reach a certain big club standard?
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"Of course, obviously, he is our coach. We follow him every day. We show that. We follow his ideas and we will continue to do so.
We believe in our coach and our staff. We need to do what the coach tells us because our coach is the maximum exponent of what we must respect. He has been here for three years and we’ve done good things. It’s true that we haven’t won anything up to now, but the team has shown it has grown a lot.
“We have a lot to improve on and the coach also knows there has to be some improvement at their end but that is part of football.”
https://strettynews.com/2021/10/22/bruno-fernandes-we-believe-in-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/
"Of course, obviously, he is our coach. We follow him every day. We show that. We follow his ideas and we will continue to do so.
We believe in our coach and our staff. We need to do what the coach tells us because our coach is the maximum exponent of what we must respect. He has been here for three years and we’ve done good things. It’s true that we haven’t won anything up to now, but the team has shown it has grown a lot.
“We have a lot to improve on and the coach also knows there has to be some improvement at their end but that is part of football.”
https://strettynews.com/2021/10/22/bruno-fernandes-we-believe-in-ole-gunnar-solskjaer/
Really not a fan of this, as much as I agree I don't think he should be saying this. I'm hoping he means something like they are constantly looking to improve as English is his 2nd language because as it is, it's unacceptable.
Not talking about you then by the sounds of it was I.
"Something has to give" as Ole said. We cannot close our eyes and ignore reality forever. Things have to drastically change. And this is for Ole's sake, as well, if he wants to keep his job. Sure, the players may shut up, smile to the cameras until Ole is eventually sacked, but at least now they're giving him a chance to actually fix this. I doubt it'll work because Ole is more stubborn than Mourinho, but hey - you can at least try.
This seems more than fair. Don't see any undermining of the coaches or the team.
Yeah I do agree that the management have to take a lot of the blame. It must be a little frustrating for Ole to not have much options in CM. But then it’s his fault for not sorting that out in the summer and thinking a CB and RW were going to solve the issues.
I sense from Bruno there’s now a reluctance to follow the first team management and they’re just doing it because they’re professional and they know that a Jose Mourinho style meltdown won’t happen, because Solskjaer is too much a nice guy.
Wouldnt surprise me if a bunch of players have raised concerns. Ronaldo certainly isn’t going to settle for being a Top 4 race player.
Wouldnt surprise me if a bunch of players have raised concerns. Ronaldo certainly isn’t going to settle for being a Top 4 race player.
Really don't see much of an issue here personally. This is Bruno's personality, isn't it. He demands a lot form others, but demands more from himself. If that's all that was said, it seems fairly innocuous to me.
Exactly.
No player is going to trash his manager clearly in the press. I have seen Shaw and Martial talk well about Mourinho while he was still manager even though they hated his guts, so he won't just come and say "Ole Out". However, he clearly throw some digs in between the lines that the current form isn't good enough.
Imagine Salah coming in an interview saying about Klopp what Bruno said about Ole, or Mahrez about Pep. No matter how you spin it its not in Ole's good picture that a player comes out and talk about coaching improvement.
If true, this is damning.
Following and actually implementing are two different things.
He has to sy that to say what he said at the end, he must mix his message, he cant go all berserk on Ole. The last part in his statement would not be acceptable from any respectable manager.
What goes on in your head as you’re typing this? What makes you think you’re in a position to decide who is a good supporter and who isn’t?
Some of us support the club and want the best for it as opposed to being a cult following of one man. Maybe you can try it, but unlike you, I won’t be an insufferable cnut and try to tell people how to support.
Liverpool and City have constantly performed better than us the last couple of seasons, there would be no reason for either Salah or Mahrez to say something like that.
We need to improve. Both the coaches, and the players. Both Ole and Bruno knows that. Ole is not afraid to admit mistakes. He did it with playing Maguire against Leicester, and he did it with Fred against PSG. I don't think Ole minds one of his leaders demanding improvement from everyone.
KdB has questioned tactics in post match interviews, for example after their CL exit against Lyon.
But this was still different and Bruno should rather focus on improving his own game.
But this was still different and Bruno should rather focus on improving his own game.
English is my 2nd language also and maybe I misunderstood what he's trying to say.
But I take this "...improvement on their end..." as a slight dig, which can be understood from Bruno's side. Being here for 3 years and keep hearing about improvement, learning curve, small margins, that's football for you right there, United DNA, young team, cups are just an ego thing etc
Any Portugese speakers on Redcafe, who can watch the video of his interview and tell us if the english translation is accurate?
https://tntsports.com.br/championsl...o-do-que-devemos-respeitar-20211020-0042.html
https://tntsports.com.br/championsl...o-do-que-devemos-respeitar-20211020-0042.html
Normally his usual reference to our 'DNA' makes me cringe but his one today about us getting late goals is fine by me because it's feckin' true.
You are. Because Best's goal was a solo goal from the halfway line. Ole's goal good as it is was not as good as Bestie's. Yes he is a legend as a player and may well become as a manager too if he wins PL and CL. But right now no.Hence why I said arguably because it's definitely up there. It was the goal that won us the fecking treble in the last second!
The only person trying to rewrite history is you. You're downplaying Ole's winner in '99 ffs.
What’s going on in my head is disbelief that people start threads hoping we lose and talk absolute shit about the club manager. If that’s not you then no need to get your knickers in a twist.
Of course it's a dig, so is the "we do what the coach tells us to do".
You don't randomly start popping up with "the coach needs to improve too" without there being discontent.
You don't randomly start popping up with "the coach needs to improve too" without there being discontent.
I know it's purely subjective but I'm with you on this Foxbatt. For me, Best's goal was our most important ever! Put us on our way to our first European trophy, becoming first English club to win same and achieving a zenith for Matt Busby after the lowest low of Munich.
But anyhow, this is a sideshow to the thread topic so carry on folks!
So essentially just hoping it clicks based on very little or wait until it really falls apart. Can’t keep kicking the can down the road with Ole, especially when he’s so under qualified. Will keep supporting the team but can’t ignore what’s pretty obvious that this huge improvement is extremely unlikely to ever materialise.
This is people looking for things that are not there. From the quotes I see nothing Bruno said that's a slight on Ole.
Players play within a structure that The Manager design. Be it Pep or Big Sam. No matter what happens if the players don't accept it then they should be dropped and sold. People won't remember but Sir Matt sold one of the best midfield players of his era right on the spot for disagreeing with Sir Matt on tactics. His name is Johnny Giles. I think he is still alive.
Players play within a structure that The Manager design. Be it Pep or Big Sam. No matter what happens if the players don't accept it then they should be dropped and sold. People won't remember but Sir Matt sold one of the best midfield players of his era right on the spot for disagreeing with Sir Matt on tactics. His name is Johnny Giles. I think he is still alive.
Didnt know where to post this, but thought it was a good watch
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He see’s a different Fred than everyone else apprently
See, this is just nothing but another dig to me.
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Bruno Fernandes on Solskjaer: “His ideas might be right or wrong, but we're sticking with it until the end." [
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He shouldn't be commenting like this.
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He shouldn't be commenting like this.
He is clearly talking about Fred the Red because there is no one else that resembles that description.
Bruno should say what ever he likes, if it will help the team improve tactically. This is Manchester United, and not a small football club where mediocrity is normal
From what I can tell it is pretty obvious that both Bruno and Pogba are - very diplomatically -saying that coaching and tactics have not been good enough.
In many cases this might be inappropriate but here we do not have a full picture. If they raised this issue internally - and there has been no responce and coaching staff is being given new contracts - they have a right to escalate. Coaching affects their - very limited in time - career, and they do have leverage being top class players, one of whom saved Ole's job basically upon his arrival, and the other is out of contract in the summer.
In many cases this might be inappropriate but here we do not have a full picture. If they raised this issue internally - and there has been no responce and coaching staff is being given new contracts - they have a right to escalate. Coaching affects their - very limited in time - career, and they do have leverage being top class players, one of whom saved Ole's job basically upon his arrival, and the other is out of contract in the summer.
He said Mc-Fred were immense and instrumental. So hey ho!!
Fred has been awful in some games, but not this one. He was one of our better players. Bashing Ole for disliking him is something I do not support. Slate him when he does a bad job and give him credit when he does a good job. That said I still do not think he is the Manager to win us the PL or the CL.
Questions will continue to be raised as long as the team remains lesser than the sum of its individual parts. Good players under great managers will appear to be great players to the casual observer because the tactics of the team will maximise their strengths and minimise their weaknesses. This is the reason why players like Jorginho, Henderson and TAA were considered to be among the world's best in their positions during their UCL winning seasons. Individually Matip and Christensen are not as good as Varane but the system they are playing under makes them appear to be better defenders than Varane.
For me, that's what it all boils down to. A good system will convert good players into great players. A bad tactical system will convert even great players into average players.
And given our performances this season, its not hard to guess that the tactical system we have in place is anything but good.Park the bus and long ball to rashford/ronaldo are not tactics that are sustainable.
For me, that's what it all boils down to. A good system will convert good players into great players. A bad tactical system will convert even great players into average players.
And given our performances this season, its not hard to guess that the tactical system we have in place is anything but good.Park the bus and long ball to rashford/ronaldo are not tactics that are sustainable.
Let’s be honest here - Ole would’ve lost his job LONG ago if it weren’t for Bruno…
He has single-handedly kept Solksjaer in his current role.
IF (and that’s a big ‘if’) he were to criticise the manager, people would do well to listen.
Bruno Fernandes is, currently, a lot more important for Man Utd than Ole will ever be as a manager.
Obviously that’s a problem - but that’s what you get employing a coach who is numerous levels below the players he’s coaching.
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