That's my concern on the timing with no plan of what they are doing next.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Leading contender to become caretaker manager
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I think his chances took a hit by not winning on Tuesday. A convincing win tomorrow will change that.
Berrada, Ratcliffe and Wilcox are making it up as they go along so I wouldn't rule anything out.
It's not about being better. In the case of caretaking jobs, it's simple a case of these roles not being coveted. No manager that has a mid to long term contract is leaving it for a 6 months stint. The people willing to take them are typically current employees or people that have a emotional bond with the club and are willing to accept this less than ideal situation.
Ole has a far better managerial record than Gerrard
Chelsea brought Lampard in twice and Ole has a far better record than him
Arsenal have Arteta and his record, for all the bravado about how nicely they play, is similar to Ole except they won one cup in his first season and since then have won nothing and been to zero finals
Ah yes, the high brow no tactics individual brilliance brigade are back again.
Exactly, and how did that work out for them?
people's concern is more that he gets kept on as permanent following this
The only positive is that with good recruitment we should continue to improve regardless of manager. But even then we are being outspent by those teams above us that already have better squads than us. We cannot keep changing managers every 3 years, we need stability at some point. Clearly we have no plan right now and will just have to hope the next appointment is the one.
As a permanent manager, not well but we aren't talking about a permanent job and he shouldn't be considered for one.
I think that's a valid concern given how they gave Ten Hag a new contract after the FA cup win, completely ignoring how poor we were at that point.
What's to say they won't get carried away by their emotions again if we were to finish in the top 5? Not that I'm optimistic of our chances so it is mostly a hypothetical scenario.
Fletcher has familiarity with the players, is working with coaching staff that he's familiar with. Appointing any caretaker for a few games that's going to have to spend some of the short time he's got in charge getting to know the players and playing staff - from scratch in many cases in Ole's case - simply doesn't make sense.
How many of the players now he is actually familiar with? How many of the current coaches we've in place for the first team has he worked with?
A caretaker manager having to come in and spend time having to familiarise himself with the players and also getting to know the staff he's working with makes no sense
How many of the players now he is actually familiar with? How many of the current coaches we've in place for the first team has he worked with?
A caretaker manager having to come in and spend time having to familiarise himself with the players and also getting to know the staff he's working with makes no sense
Funny how McKenna and Carrick are now the tactical backbone of a coach who is deemed to not be able to setup tactics, while simultaneously being touted as « PE teachers » when they were there.
If anything, the majority of people have no idea about tactics or training sessions or how to assess a coach on other metrics than vibes quite ironically
If anything, the majority of people have no idea about tactics or training sessions or how to assess a coach on other metrics than vibes quite ironically
These exist for literally every manager. He's a professional football manager who makes a lot of money for his services. Of course he has fecking tactics
Technically, "Who wants it more" is one type of tactics.
So, yes, we can say that Solskjaer has tactics.
I would take a CL spot and him (Carrick or Fletcher) getting the permanent job.
Over the more likely scenario of 7th-10th and a new manager in the summer.
Over the more likely scenario of 7th-10th and a new manager in the summer.
I think it works for the short term nature of the role. Usually when a manager is sacked, the team is underperforming and there's a lack of confidence in the squad and no confidence in the manager. Appointing an ex legend results in spirits being raised around the club and in the stadium and it demands the immediate respect of the players in the squad as they know the status the manager has at the club.
In the short term, confidence is everything especially if you have talented players. Long term the novelty wears off and the impact of the manager beyond the bump in morale will be felt and that's when the real job kicks in.
You always want an appointment to be supported by the fans because if not things could get toxic very quickly. Forest with Ange this season was a good example, he had no chance and I suspect the same with Rosenior if he doesn't start well at Chelsea.
I agree with every word of it!
If your rivals are cheering you on to bring in a specific candidate, then I'd say you should take the opportunity to really consider whether you might be making a mistake. And whether you just want to see something or if it is really there.
The idea of "we are just one or two good acquisitions" away. Another classic. Another part of the truth is, that our underlying numbers showed problems and while we managed to have fairly stable results, the performances went south. People who mostly watched highlight videos wouldn't notice that but going through the matches was often as much of a drag as under ETH and Amorim. Outside of United, nobody considered United to be a team trending up. And nobody saw us as the 2nd best team in England. Despite the infamous 2nd place.
Didnt work last time,
Why not try it again...
Why not try it again...
Yes, good point. If we choose to define "tactics" as a plan to defend and to attack, then of course Ole had tactics. But his plans weren't as detailed and "sophisticated" as the plans of others. Which might have been a good thing for a while but even seeing it generously - it went from a non-factor to at least a slight disadvantage.
Valid tbf, but then again, if they do, they don't understand football and we will suffer under their leadership regardless.
There's some short memories just how toxic and entitled the dressing room got under him with player power, leaks and chaos running riot. Amroim had his battles as he wasn't afraid to take on problems and turf these players out, but I think we are at risk at forgetting just how bad it was quite recently. For one reason or another - despite playing under Sir Alex for all those years - Ole either doesn't put much stock in the importance of controlling a dressing room or he lacks the ability to.
Given how relatively recent dressing room turmoil was here, I don't think someone whose managerial style could be described as 'chilled-out entertainer' is the ideal person to bring in for any length of time. If we are looking for someone who could provide a firm hand on the rudder, i think that's an undoubted weakness
Given how relatively recent dressing room turmoil was here, I don't think someone whose managerial style could be described as 'chilled-out entertainer' is the ideal person to bring in for any length of time. If we are looking for someone who could provide a firm hand on the rudder, i think that's an undoubted weakness
What does that even mean
It means that Solskjaer himself spoke about his tactics.
One time he said that "tactics is irrelevant. It is all about who wants it more".
Other time he said that his tactics is "to get ball forward quickly as possible".
So, as we can all see, he has tactics.
I agree, he did well to get 2nd in the league. 1st if you discount clubs that were systematically cheating.
Yet it still wasn't good enough for the vocal minority of fans who just would never shut up. Still, it seems.
Not to make this too personal, but you have 117 replies in this thread. You've made your point.
You think, a post like that will make me consider? Are you going to tell other regulars in here their numbers as well? Just the ones over 100? I mean, I haven't even half of what the 1st spot has.
There is an ignore function if you feel bothered by posts. Or don't revisited the thread for a while, I am sure, for a substantial update, there will be another title change.
Thanks for the advice, I was merely trying to trigger some self reflection and point out that you're not making the solid point you thought you were. Nevermind.
The idea of Ole coming back hasn't felt like a better idea as the last few days have gone on, if anything, worse.
For "the best in class", it amazes me their solution is coaches/managers who have failed here before and not really succeeded anywhere else.
For "the best in class", it amazes me their solution is coaches/managers who have failed here before and not really succeeded anywhere else.
You started with good advice mate. It is a discussion forum, if you think that what I write is wrong, I am happy to read about the reasons. Telling people that they have said enough and that they should self reflect is an odd way to engage. I guess, we'll leave it at that.
You don't get much choice with interim managers
Plus they don't want to break the bank because they've already wasted a lot of money.
Oh, that settles it then. He must be one of the worlds best man managers and motivators if you compare his results to some of the tactical geniuses we’ve had here since and before.
I agree. His results speak for himself.
Some of you actively talking yourselves in to him being a really good manager
I bet not a single one of you suggested appointing him as either interim or permanent manager after Ten Hag was sacked.
I bet not a single one of you suggested appointing him as either interim or permanent manager after Ten Hag was sacked.
Ole doesn't have the mental strength required for the pressures of this job. It was painfully obvious the last time around. And I'm writing this as a Norwegian who loves nothing more than seeing our managers do well abroad.
Additionally, bringing Ole back would turn the next half season into a media circus. That's really the last thing we need.
I would much rather we got someone like Ruud, however much he failed in his last job. He's got a little bit of fire in his belly, and the players seemed to like and respect him. I'm sure Carrick would be fine too.
Additionally, bringing Ole back would turn the next half season into a media circus. That's really the last thing we need.
I would much rather we got someone like Ruud, however much he failed in his last job. He's got a little bit of fire in his belly, and the players seemed to like and respect him. I'm sure Carrick would be fine too.
Yeah I think if he gets a positive performance out of the team (and tbh vs Burnley it was a positive performance despite the result) then we should look at just letting him be the interim manager.
And Gerrard is not the equivalent of Dalglish who has won league titles as a manager with multiple clubs.
I agree. It would potentially undo some of the good work we've done recently in sorting out dressing room dynamics. One of the best things Amorim did is put his foot down and not take any nonsense. We've had an issue with squad culture and lack of standards for ages, seems really daft to hire a manager known for being overly buddy-like with players.
True but the laughs were warranted when he hadn't coached for more than 10 years. It's more the context that made it a joke than Dalglish's career.
Some of you actively talking yourselves in to him being a really good manager
I bet not a single one of you suggested appointing him as either interim or permanent manager after Ten Hag was sacked.
He was better than many give him credit for. He’s obviously not going to be brought in permanently, I’m indifferent as to whether he takes over for the rest of the season. We could do worse.
Some of you actively talking yourselves in to him being a really good manager
I bet not a single one of you suggested appointing him as either interim or permanent manager after Ten Hag was sacked.
Literally nobody in the Premier League would appoint him!
Its complete lunacy.
A guy with stints at Cardiff,Molde, and Besiktas is now considered for the Man United job again having not won anything and ended his last spell with some of the worst results I've ever seen.
It's insane.
Depends on whether you want to praise or criticize the United under him.