Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Permanent manager

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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    I don’t think Ole is the right man but it’s definitely not Ole’s fault we’ve only signed one winger from the championship 2 weeks before the pre season training. I guarantee you that we’ll end up with worse squad this season than the last.
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    Enigma_87 You know who

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    :lol: this place
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    Revaulx Full Member

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    I’m far from convinced that Zidane would prosper at United given the current setup, but this is still hilarious :lol:
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    Shark @NotShark

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    What players is Ole targeting though. Not defending Woodward, think he's an inept fool, but he has at least proved himself at being able to sign top talent when he's been given the task. What is worrying me right now is the players we're targeting, this wouldn't be only on Woodward.
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    haram Full Member

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    Like who? Handing out 250k a week to every dickhead is not impressive.
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    Shark @NotShark

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    Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Martial, Shaw, Herrera, Lindelof, Mata to name a few. Not all have been brilliant signings but it's not exactly what you're saying either.
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    haram Full Member

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    You think it's Woodward's work that got them to join Manchester United? Anyone could sit there and convince these players to join Manchester United while earning 200k a week.
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    Tom Van Persie No relation

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    This is ridiculous. :lol: He won three back to back European Cup's he has to be doing something right. :houllier:
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    haram Full Member

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    Then again, you give Zidane this United team and he isn't doing any better than Ole.
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    Tom Cato Full Member

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    The last time this team had a core of English players we won the league like it was routine, and the Champions League, so there's that.

    The point of having English, or British players, is that it's easier to build a foundation and a identity with players that have grown up in the same region as you have, share the same principles and are willing to bleed to win the Premier League. To a home grown player, this league and what happens in it is to many of the players more imporant than having blood in your body.

    Yes you can buy foreign megastars, but just look at how football is trending. The players that remain with the club for their careers, or any significant amount of it, are fewer and fewer between. Just look at the crap happening in PSG now with their megastars openly wanting to leave the club to play with other players and other clubs just because. Look at what's going on with our own record purchase that speaks about wanting a new challenge, at a event for our own fkn sponsor of all things. It's hopeless to build your team around players that might want to just sod off the next year or two because they want a new infinity paycheck somewhere sunny.

    VERY FEW British players compared to the number playing in the Premier League ever leave the Premier League. And that is the entire point of bringing in English youth.

    We want a new Paul Scholes, a new Roy Keane, new Neville's, a new Beckham, a new Giggs, a new Andy Cole to score the goals, etc etc. It's players with this mentality that let's you build a dynasty. It's players like Coutinho, Pogba, Neymar etc that will really fk up your stability.

    Yes there are foreign players that remain with the club for a very very long time, but they are in the minority.

    The point is stability. Stability, longevity and affordable talent. We are about to pay £55 million (if reports are true, incl. added bonuses) for the best right back in the Premier League, a guy that practically never gets beaten. We want more of that. A LOT more of that.
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    Craig Ward Full Member

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    Ole has almost got an impossible job in a crazy market.

    Inherited a squad that is disjointed, un-committed and full of bad ego's.

    Ole also has players from 4 previous managers all bought for different styles of play and is paying the price for some utterly shambolic transfer dealings.

    Ole has I would say, 5 players who are past they're best and should have been sold long ago:
    Jones/Young/Lingard/Smalling/Valencia/

    Ole also has failed signings who haven't worked/not progressed:
    Darmian/Rojo/Bailly/Sanchez/Lukaku

    Ole also has aging players who should only be used around the squad and not starters:
    Mata/Matic

    Ole, most worryingly also has players who have contract issues/may be pushing for a move:
    Periera/Pogab/DDG/Rashford

    Where does he start re-shaping this squad? Its WAY to much work for one window,

    At a minimum I would say our outgoings need to be around the 6 or 7 figure, maybe more if Pogba/DDG are looking for a move also.

    What I like about Ole is he is saying the right things about what he wants from the squad, style of play/workrate etc. I just don't think the current squad is capable as they have proven over seasons gone by.

    Without major outgoings Ole is doomed. The current squad is shambolic. The attitude is all wrong, we have too many bad personalities in that dressing room.

    What I like is we have a clear transfer strategy now, build around youth. Whether Woodword can get the deals done is another thing.

    We need to act quick, the Wan-Bissaka one just highlights how poor we are. No rivals, we know the price and we've been haggling over the fee for weeks. Just get the deal done and pay up. Its the way the game is, we need to adapt to the modern game not haggle over add-ons etc.

    I've said time and time again, Ole is the right man for the job if he is afforded time. Out-goings need to happen urgently
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    haram Full Member

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    You can say this about the last two managers.
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    Yes the fecking Molde manager is better than someone who won the CL 3 times in a row :houllier::houllier::lol:
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    R'hllor Full Member

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    You surely can read some crazy ass shit in here.
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    Saffron New Member

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    What would Ramos and Ronaldo know about how Madrid should play better than Zidane? Nothing.

    Zidane’s role on the pitch as a player required a substantial tactical understanding of the game. There’s a reason almost every single successful manager was a midfielder or defender, not a tap-in merchant.

    Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Diego Simeone, Conte. None were attackers.

    Honestly struggle to think of a single successful manager in the modern era who was an attacker. We saw how well Henry did, and he still had way more football intelligence than most forwards.
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    georgipep New Member

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    Ahmmmm, a quick Wikipedia search on one Sir Alex Ferguson and his playing career might destroy your argument but worry not...
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    Hawks2008 Full Member

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    Not that I disagree with your point but Ferguson and Heynckes were both forwards.
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    dove Full Member

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    Some people are just stupid, no other explanation.
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    TRUERED89 New Member

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    I cant think of many foreign players that stayed longer than about 5/6 years, all our true long-stayers were British..
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    If you're a Manchester United fan you should be able to think of at least one!
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    Saffron New Member

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    Of course but he’s not active and I said ’the modern game’. I didn’t include any retired managers.
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    Tom Cato Full Member

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    *Manchester United manager.

    Until he fails, our manager is the best manager in the world, always. Regardless of who it is.
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    dove Full Member

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    Andycoleno9 Full Member

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    Comparing Ole with 3 times CL winner.:lol::lol:
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    Still makes a nonsense of this idea that a career as a striker somehow makes Ole incapable of being a top manager.
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    MaxiPaxi likes to shove his mum's boiled eggs up his rectum

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    Mark Hughes? :nervous:

    Sir Alex?
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    Hawks2008 Full Member

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    Is that so? Good to hear that we have had Moyes, Van Gaal, and Mourinho all at the points in their careers when they were the best in the world.
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    Saffron New Member

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    Look, if all you can come up with is the one-off genius that retired 6 years ago and Mark Hughes, I think that’s the exception that proves the rule.

    There’s definitely a trend of most successful managers in the modern era not being attackers.

    And I do think delineating it to the modern era is valid, because it’s in the modern era we want success. We’re living enough in the past as it is.
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    Oggmonster Full Member

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    Klopp played as a striker as well as a defender didn't he?
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    Pogue Mahone Poster of the year 2008

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    There’s a long established trend of most players not being strikers. So why would the ratio be any different amongst managers?
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Klopp was a striker and then late in his career moved to defense as per wiki.
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    Vissy New Member

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    Looks like almost nobody actually read what I wrote. Zidane literally isn't a good coach. He doesn't coach his players personally, and the tactics he employs are not excellent. His teams don't even tend to perform well consistently. What he is excellent at is man management, and given the gamut of galacticos at RM, the most you really have to do to get them performing is keeping them happy.

    This is something Zidane has managed to do better than anyone. Still, he often looks like tactically he doesn't know what he's doing and has suffered for it in La Liga. He can't set up a defence if his life depended on it. It will not work in any other club than Real Madrid.
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    Saffron New Member

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    Fair enough but he apparently had the football intelligence to play as a defender as well. Not sure you could say the same thing about most attackers.

    Klopp’s intelligence and football intelligence is off the charts and he was an active student of the game already as a player. He wasn’t just a striker who retired and suddenly decided to try his hand at coaching like Henry.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Maybe if they played in German second division.
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    Saffron New Member

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    Almost every succesful manager was a central midfielder or central defender: They weren’t wingers, specialist full backs or goalkeepers.

    That means almost all of them come from a possible 4 positions out of 11 on the pitch. The positions that just so happens to require the greatest football intelligence.
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    wolvored Full Member

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    Fergie?
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    Rendezvous with Ronaldo New Member

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    Jupp Heynckes was a striker.
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    Shark @NotShark

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    Did we sign all of these players on 200k a week?
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Michels, Johan Cruyff, Sir Alex Ferguson, Brian Clough are all attackers.
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    georgipep New Member

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    So, replacing Rijkaard (CL winner) with an unproven, young Guardiola was a stupid idea?

    I'm not saying Ole will win 3 CLs or anything, just think that he might prove himself more astute of a manager than many here believe he is