Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Permanent manager

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  1. Aug 12, 2019

    Mr Smith Full Member

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    I disagree, I think we would have won that game regardless. Chelsea were really open whenever they lost the ball, they had no idea of how to get into position when there was a turnover. It could have finished 2-1 or 3-2, but i think we were always going to win that game.
  2. Aug 13, 2019 at 00:04

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    Yeah I was thoroughly impressed with how we passed out from defense but all that coordination seems to diminish the further the ball got. There's still some work to be done with our ball retention and breaking down defenses
  3. Aug 13, 2019 at 00:26

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    I am not sure about that, we obviously tried to press very well but on the man and basically, Chelsea was forced to play long. But because our wingers didn't track back, Chelsea had chances to play with short passes on the side and yes, we were a bit lucky they don't have finishers.

    After that, Ole switched to zonal marking, and counter attacking. I think he's been reactive the whole time so that's not too bad, but only because Lampard also was changing constantly.
  4. Aug 13, 2019 at 03:52

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    That’s very interesting RB. I didn’t know anything about Olsen.

    I have been thinking Perreira May have been offered a new deal and could feature a lot this year because of his accuracy from free kicks and corners. We have been terrible at them for some time.

    He may have been a little nervous/excited yesterday but he is very good at dead ball situations. It was good to see, he had important influence on the game with his assist and then tackle and pass to Pogba for his through ball for Rasford’s goal.

    I also think, one of the many reasons Solskjaer was so adamant about getting Maguire at any cost, was his heading ability in the opposition box.

    We saw Perreira pick out Maguire a couple of times yesterday. It could become a deadly combination.
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  5. Aug 13, 2019 at 04:47

    utdalltheway Sexy Beast

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    Hopefully. I was watching that too and saw two occasions where Maguire got his head on the ball off our corner.
    United should be able to use him for knockdowns or scoring direct off his massive head :D
    Sunderland used Quinn and Kevin Phillips to great effect (affect?) back in the day.
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  6. Aug 13, 2019 at 05:11

    momo83 New Member

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    Yes. It’s almost like when the attacking players have time to think, they just don’t know what to do.

    Very good debuts for Wam Bissaka and Maguire, plus McTomminay was decent, Pogba always looks like the most talented player on the pitch. But still our midfield needs something, don’t have a clue what type of player it is thou. Is it a Kante, or Verratti, or Jorginho type player.
  7. Aug 13, 2019 at 06:26

    Son New Member

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    Solskjaer’s problem this season is defo gonna be lack of a playmaker.

    We have zero players who can control a game... including Pogba. Angel Gomez could well be our answer in the future if he drops into midfield. Who knows?

    Would kill for a player like De Jong or Thiago at the club. Imagine how calm we’d be in possession
  8. Aug 13, 2019 at 08:11

    Grande Full Member

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    I think you’ve got A) some lofty expectations and B) something that prevents you from seeing things that are there.

    A) We were no 6. We are rebuilding, it’s a several-seasons-project. It is obvious there will be ups and downs. We’ve played six preseason games and won five (plus one shoot out), and we start the season playing last season’s no 3 who also won the EL. First game. If we were carved open most of the game and lost with three goals, it might still have been part of a season of ups and downs. Yet we play a pretty even game, and win 4-0. What do you expect?

    B) We had parts of the game we pressed high and it worked, prts were we tried to press high and it didn’t. Parts we stood off medium high because we were cautious/uncertain, parts becaus we wanted to. Sometimes we fell back in a block because Chelsea played well, sometimes because we were goals up and wanted to strike them on the counter. You seem to only have noticed or remember a few parts of the game, perhaps the first parts of the two halves.

    It’s one thing to come in after a 4-0 loss darkeyed and pessimistic, it’s one thing to watch a year of football and say something about lack of progress, it’s one thing to see a 4-0 drubbing of a good team and say ‘yes, but let’s not go overboard either’, but it’s something entirely different to wipe out all signs of positivity and go out and declare doom after this season start.
  9. Aug 13, 2019 at 08:22

    Grande Full Member

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    Agree with this. I think it likely that it’s partly down to us focusing on the other two thirds on the pitch first, partly because we want to leave more rrom for improvisation in attack, partly because we are eager to be direct, and partly because of the characteristics of our best attacking players. We have players that were (Mata, Sanchez) and will be (Gomes, Greenwood) able to play like that against tight defenses, but it’s not the main force of Rashford, Martial and Pogba.

    I think it’s a work in progress for this season, and likely will we buy one or two players next summer who have the skill set to play both in open and tight spaces.
  10. Aug 13, 2019 at 08:37

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    I really wish many, many, many more of our fans saw it this way.

    Even if Ole finishes 6th this season... it is IMPERATIVE that he remains manager.

    The reason we are in such a mess is down to the thinking from the board that we can get over the post-Fergie blues with a quick fix.

    That is why our squad has been such a mess; it has been made up of 4/5 different managers. We keep sacking managers for finishing outside the Top 4. This is not going to make the team/club any better.

    We HAVE to stick with one boss and let his philosophy evolve over many seasons. That is the only way we are going to improve and get right back up there. There is no quick fix... we know. Because we tried it. We brought in two of the most decorated managers in European football (LvG andJose), we opened up a cheque book for them (some of the signings were insane; to think that we've signed -and let go - Ibrahimovic, Schweinsteiger, Di Maria, Falcao, Lukaku as well as players like Pogba and Sanchez is just utterly insane! If somebody had have told you in 2014 that these players will come in over the next four years, you'd think they were nuts.

    This is not - and never will be - the route back to the top of the Premier League.

    We have to give a manager time and patience to evolve his philosophy and his dressing-room spirit until, slowly, but surely, we have the right mentality and belief.

    Solskjaer needs to be given the years it will take to make us compete at the top table once again.

    If we are sixth come April and fans are on here saying "we ned to get rid and hire (insert 'great manager's name here)", then those are the worst kind of fans to me.

    The last words Sir Alex ever said to us fans were this. "It is your job to support your new manager". Personally, I feel the match-going fans were still right behind Davey Moyes right up until he was sacked. Unfortunately, it was the board themselves who didn't take Fergie's words to heart. And now look at the mess we're in fr not backing managers. A squad made up of different parts from five different managers. Insane!

    Our job is to support the manager. 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, or even 7th place finish this season, we mark it down as groundwork... we back the manager, we go again! The longer we give Ole, the more chance he has of evolving the dressing-room into the dressing-room he wants and a dressing-room that would draw blood for him.

    Only then could we start to compete. We have to have a dressing-room that pulls together. You can only get that when the manager is fully backed by everyone at the club.

    You would think our fan base - more than any other - would know this. But a huge number don't. Our two big dominant spells at the top table of English/European football came because we gave managers time to evolve a dressingroom and a mentality that they wanted.

    Now it's time to do it again.

    I would genuinely say that anybody who calls for 'Simeone' or 'Allegri' or whoever to be our manager come April/May next year is the most deluded and disappointing type of Man Utd fan.
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  11. Aug 13, 2019 at 08:49

    #07 makes new threads with tweets in the OP

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    This is what we're missing:



    If we could find a player to do this for us we'd be set.

    Hopefully in the next transfer window or the one after, eh?

    As for Ole, I can't see how anyone can be unhappy with what he's doing. We all know the deficiencies in our squad. Yet Ole is getting us 4-0 wins, playing with an obvious idea and a clear shape. He dropped a lot of the players who aren't up to it, even putting Tuanzebe on the bench in front of our other underperforming defenders, and he's taking us forward. Ole doesn't have a bench as good as City's thats not his fault. However, he is getting a very decent amount out of what he's got. If he gets to buy players as good as Rodri, Bernardo Silva and De Bruyne and we still struggle to control midfield then maybe we can blame him. With what he's got though, I think he's doing a damn good job.
  12. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:00

    reelworld Full Member

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    I've been thinking about this as well. A prime Carrick would've been perfect for this team. It makes the Longstaff links makes sense. I think he's gonna come next summer.
  13. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:03

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    United have one, the only problem it requires a little patience as he is only 17yrs; James Garner. Garner is a 'once in a generation' talent, so it would be really stupid to buy an OK talent to delay his progress.
  14. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:04

    lysglimt Full Member

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    He is a yes man - and apparently he only agrees to what Woodward and Glazer says
  15. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:06

    lysglimt Full Member

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    As long as he is in charge of the mens team - it is ok.
  16. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:08

    lysglimt Full Member

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    The Leicester-match at home might have been our best game all season. One of few matches where we completely dominated the opposition and destroyed them before the break.
  17. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:11

    RussellWilson Full Member

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    I watched Longstaff against Arsenal . He's a long way off being Carrick.
  18. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:20

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    Yes, one of only a few. Was 4-1 that day! But we certainly never smashed any big teams under Jose.
  19. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:32

    Volumiza Full Member

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    Under the circumstances and in what is clearly a difficult period for the club I think Ole is doing really well.

    His signings have all hit the ground running, AWB and Maguire look spot on and Dan James already has a league goal under his belt. So although we haven't had the full rebuild some were hoping for at least our money this window looks very well spent.

    We at least look like we have a much faster and purposeful attack now and so far, pre season and the league couldn't be going much better. There was a clear tactical shift to the 2nd half on Sunday which at least shows Ole can make changes mid game to positive effect.
  20. Aug 13, 2019 at 09:58

    hocane New Member

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    My question will be this.
    How will Ole break down teams that park the bus and counter?
    Can't wait for the Wolves game. Will be really interesting to see how Ole will line up. Players like Mata will actually be valuable in games like this.
  21. Aug 13, 2019 at 10:02

    Samid follows Pogue around, fixing his images

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    Players like Mata will be valuable on dodgy pitches east in Europe where we can rest our main players. Other than that the further they're away from the starting XI the better.
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    A Kante type next to Pogba, and a Verratti infront of him would be ideal, if not just a Kante type player which is more vital. Pogba could play 8 or 10 with a lot more freedom.
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  23. Aug 13, 2019 at 10:34

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    If he's able to instill this kind of belief in the players for the full season we'll be alright.

    Lots of work to do and midfield signings needed but I watched the game back and we didn't play as badly as I'd initially thought.

    You can see the style of play/patterns, along with the way he way he wants the team to press emerging and hopefully things improve as the players get more used to Ole's direction.
  24. Aug 13, 2019 at 10:40

    TRUERED89 New Member

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    Interesting comments from McT there, I think you're right too. If he can instill that confidence all season top 4 is nailed on, especially with our solid back 4 (finally).
  25. Aug 13, 2019 at 10:47

    AaronRedDevil Full Member

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    This is the kind of thing sir Alex could do. His last few years he had an average looking squad. They were always the underdogs. But made them perform way more then expected.
  26. Aug 13, 2019 at 10:49

    GDaly95 Sexist Pig

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    I hope McTominay is right there.

    Our midfield did look like a complete bag of nerves on the ball for much of the Chelsea game though. Himself included. Pereira also admitted he was nervy. Hopefully we'll see that our midfielders can have more conviction in collecting and passing the ball in the middle of the pitch.
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    Raw Full Member

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    The real test of his presence would be how he'd react to a bad loss or two. See if he can still have that effect when he comes in the dressing room after we get bummed by City or Liverpool.
  29. Aug 13, 2019 at 11:25

    lysglimt Full Member

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    We should be a huge aerial threat now - we have Pogba, McTominay and Maguire who are huge. If I were in charge of United and were playing Wolves I would tell AWB to keep back as much as possible, as he is probably the best player to avoid counter-attacks against. Wolves will probably let us dominate the ball - put in a lot of crosses to win corners. And line up Pogba and McTominay for shooting.
  30. Aug 13, 2019 at 11:25

    Grylte "nothing wrong with some friendly incest, bro"

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    So was Carrick at the same age. Do we wait till he's the finished product and cost 5X more, or gamble on a young promising player?
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    If he still has that effect after we lost eight of the last twelve games last season, I dare say he’s passed that test.
  32. Aug 13, 2019 at 11:35

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    Well I guess it's a bit different now as it's a new season and Ole doesn't really have the excuse of coming in mid-season during a horribly messy period.
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    Grande Full Member

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    Interesting question. Back then, Ferguson waited for five years, while Carrick went from Spurs’ most promising player to Spurs’ best player.

    Then again, at that time, we could just buy Spurs best player if we wanted. The economy of English football have changed a lot since then.
  34. Aug 13, 2019 at 11:36

    Beachryan More helpful with spreadsheets than Phurry

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    I'm not convinced a counter attacking team can truly succeed anymore. It inherently cedes control to the other team, and you then rely on out performance of strikers and defenders. Basically none of the other top teams in Europe consistently play this way, and for good reason.

    If you control the match and create more chances than your opponent you're more likely to win it.

    Wolves is a huge test, if we're to beat them I definitely think we'll need better control over the match.
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    Grande Full Member

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    Yes, and there will be set-backs yet, and fans and media will go ballistic again. Though if he’s able to go through that period, and all the negativism of the surroundings during summer, and still have that kind of status amongst the players, I guess he’ll handle a 1-6 at home to City as well.
  36. Aug 13, 2019 at 11:40

    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Carrick spent just 2 years at Spurs, also we had good midfield back then with Scholes, Keane (on his last legs) playing. When Carrick was at West Ham, we had arguably the best midfield in PL.
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    Yes, my mindwobble. He was at West Ham when I first saw him and wanted him. He was I think 18, and played with the arguably more talented Joe Cole, yet he played so intelligently I wanted him at United. Seven years later, Ferguson bought him. In that seven year period, we grew from being treble winners to seeing Giggs, O’Shea, Kleberson, Djembax2 and Alan Smith in that central midfield.

    Maybe we should have bought Carrick at 18 like I wanted, or at 21, but it’s understandable that we didn’t.
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    7even Resident moaner, hypocrite and moron

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    I admire your belief and support but I don’t agree with you.

    I support Manchester United! Supporting the club isn’t my job, it’s my passion. When things are good I’m happy and when results are bad I’m miserable. That’s how it works and we as supporters have to pay to enjoy our passion, nothing is for free, not even blind love.

    In my time with this club I have seen nine managers come and go. Managers are employees and get paid to take care of our first team and they are also accountable for our results. The reason they are top earners is because of the nature of the job. A United manager is followed by millions and judged 24/7.

    Sir Alex wasn’t given a life long contract to take care of United for the rest of his life. He earned his time by showing progress and deliver results. According to history he was only one game away from being sacked. It tells us that every United manager are accountable for his results.

    After six years of miss management from our board and CEO I agree that we probably has to give Solskjaer some extra time to implement his ideas, but it only works if he shows progress. Results will either help him to continue as manager or get him sacked.

    If United don’t finish in top six, maybe top four depending on details in his contract, then I’m 100% sure his gone before next summer. This has nothing to do with your or my support, it’s modern business.
  39. Aug 13, 2019 at 12:11

    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Maybe if we signed, he wouldn't have developed into great player, he got lot of game time when he was 18-25, he wouldn't have got that at ManUtd. It's always a risk when it comes to young players.
  40. Aug 13, 2019 at 12:11

    Nikelesh Reddy Full Member

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    I was dissapointed when Ole was hastily given the job last season,and I continue to harbour serious reservations about his competence to manage a club like this,but I”m definitely going to support him 100% this season.I would love to be proved wrong,and I hope that Ole can succeed at this club.l.