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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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Mind explaining why you quoted something from Reddit that isn't anything special or new instead of just writing your own thoughts on here? Even if they were rehashed from what you read?
Genuinely curious. (Wondering Are we reaching this stage where plagiarism encompasses opinion posts on forums?)
Fourth is definitely attainable now. Yes, Pool has locked it up unless a stray team bus takes Klopp out on the way to his car after a match. Leicester is safely in second, I think. But City looks a bit vulnerable now. Chelsea are on shaky ground right now and will probably see a dip coming as the season grinds on - they're only 5 points ahead at the moment. That could evaporate within four or five matches.
Thought it was a reasonably interesting take on the situation, and the Caf is usually quite brutal in its assessments so I wanted to see its rejoinder.
Plus it was easier to copy and paste on my phone while I was at college
We've six points from six which makes the five point gap to Chelsea seem small, our (Ole's) big test will be against the smaller teams - we have to start consistently beating them. Dropping points against Palace, Southampton, Newcastle, Wolves, Sheffield and Villa already this season is absolutely unacceptable. Counter attacking serves us well against the likes of Spurs and City, but with the quality in our squad we have no excuses for the poor showings against much smaller teams
I can’t help but truly appreciate what he’s done for the club. A spine to the team is built through DDG - Maguire - Scott - Rashford who are all leaders within themselves. He’s galvanized the club to the core by bringing the youth to life through Williams, Garner, Tuanzebe and Greenwood. Tuanzebe is another one that is a proper leader with some silky feet on him for a defender. If Ole leaves today he’s left us with a team average age of ~22 that consist of very strong character, leadership and determination. Hes trimmed out many of the players that were either mercenaries or who didn’t really ‘get it’ playing for Manchester United. The squad now does. They take pride in actually doing well for Manchester United. You see the youth buzzing around wanting to impress. You see players like Rashford and Jesse who in the summer were posting videos humping pillows being bellends now actually becoming mature role models while taking accountability for their performances.
Oles really stamped down the culture in here again - all while being flawless in the transfer market. The football results will flow from here. His record against the top 6 is a result of his tactical edge but more importantly his ability to get 100% buy in from your players. That is half the battle as a manager. You can be a mourinho .. a pep .. a Klopp but if you don’t connect to your players forget it. Oles got it. Absolutely no sense to have anyone else in his spot moving forward.
Oles really stamped down the culture in here again - all while being flawless in the transfer market. The football results will flow from here. His record against the top 6 is a result of his tactical edge but more importantly his ability to get 100% buy in from your players. That is half the battle as a manager. You can be a mourinho .. a pep .. a Klopp but if you don’t connect to your players forget it. Oles got it. Absolutely no sense to have anyone else in his spot moving forward.
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Exactly, plus you clearly don't need any tactics to beat City away, and take points to Liverpool?
The state of some fans...
We should have 12 signings a year then
While I agree, his tactics are good vs the bigger clubs as he sets up in a way which utilises pace and wing play. The jury is out on small teams that sit back.
I’m not Ole in or Ole Out I feel he will do enough to stay here or not enough to be sacked but lately there was been improvement which is good to see.
Not really part of this conversation here, but I believe this was his point exactly. When we play badly, it's the player's fault. Then, when we do better in the second half, it's because the management made adjustments. I didn't see anything really different 'management'-wise in the second half, besides maybe the players coming back out a bit more fired-up. The first half we were so slow and so bad at...everything. If you are going to attribute the lack of creativity and general cluelessness in the 1st half solely to the players, then credit for the 2nd half should go to the players too. If our improvement in the 2nd half was Ole's and the coaches' doing, then our terrible play in the 1st should be on the management as well.
Or maybe it isn't all just black and white, something the majority of this forum fail to see.
Oh my. You don't even know how you sound, do you? Pot, kettle, black.
I don't disagree. Said in the post match thread that movement was sharper, passing was sharper. The adjustment I saw was in Mata and Garners positions though. We couldn't get the ball out from defence in the first half because the press was very good and our players were passing very poorly. Maybe the heat map will debunk my feelings here but it seemed very clear to me that those two were taking up different positions when the defence had the ball and it made it far easier to play out. Everything else followed on from that.
Fair enough! Wasn't sure if you were being overly cautious with credit. And also f them. Their ITK bullsh*t caused my inner muppet great distress hahaThought it was a reasonably interesting take on the situation, and the Caf is usually quite brutal in its assessments so I wanted to see its rejoinder.
Plus it was easier to copy and paste on my phone while I was at college
No no no. He's on holiday when the transfer window is closed.
Counting the kids we sign - we usually are
I hope he's playing mind games. He has been bailed out by a lucky break of games again. Do not let this slip. Sign your players Ole, you can't afford another few months of poor form!
Both of the paragrapghs seem schizophrenic
Just to chuck this in there, though.
Last 3-4 games we've looked good - very good / excellent to some.
So if we shit the bed against everton, what will the narrative be?
"Ole lacks the players, this squad is shit?"
"Ole has always been sub-par"
or something somewhere in between? Because I can tell you damn well right now, there will be about 10% of posts that is somewhere in between. So what is it? Is this squad shit and we've fluked some results or done what midtable teams do, and go on a purple patch? Or is this manager shit and he's over-achieved the past few games?
Something to bear in mind when reacting to the result this weekend, whatever the outcome. Bear in mind your previous opinions and reactions.
Last 3-4 games we've looked good - very good / excellent to some.
So if we shit the bed against everton, what will the narrative be?
"Ole lacks the players, this squad is shit?"
"Ole has always been sub-par"
or something somewhere in between? Because I can tell you damn well right now, there will be about 10% of posts that is somewhere in between. So what is it? Is this squad shit and we've fluked some results or done what midtable teams do, and go on a purple patch? Or is this manager shit and he's over-achieved the past few games?
Something to bear in mind when reacting to the result this weekend, whatever the outcome. Bear in mind your previous opinions and reactions.
Why can't we just be a young team with a lack of squad depth and is therefore inconsistent? Why does it have to be either "we're a mid table team" or "players are shit" or "Ole is shit"?
Do you seriously see life in such binary terms as the bolded bit? Genuinely curious about this.
EDIT: Also regarding the mid table point. Finishing mid table one season doesn't make you a mid table team or club. Case in point Leicester were mid table last season and are flying now. We could just grow as again - we have quite a young team.
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We absolutely need to bring in at least a solid midfielder and a striker. Lots of people saying it would be naive not to sign someone and i agree. A look over the entire season show that we are too thin. And it would be really really stupid not to do it just because we've had a few decent results lately. All those recent results have done is given us a "chance" at top 4. We need to take advantage of that little chance.
If we lose then it's big Dunc's new manager bounce. If that excuse is good enough to dissmiss oles caretaker games then it's good enough for Dunc.
For some reason, I think we are starting to score more in recent games so we are getting in a safer zone in term of game management. Let's see.
No need to hold on to narratives. Just watch the match and comment on what you see.
No, he’s absolutely right. Just look at how you started the op he replied to. Declaring people who disagree with you as irrational and driven solely by emotion. That’d actually be something akin to, say, Trump? It’s just a poorly thought out opinion which I’m sure was designed to make you seem rational and fair minded, and a worse start if you actually wanted to inspire genuine and interesting discussion, and not a tit for tat exchange which this predictably turned into.
Eh, it wasn't meant to make me seem like 'anything'. It was just my opinion on the people declaring our manager can do no wrong no matter how badly we play or how bad our results go. The OleOut crowd aren't much better, unable to see ANY of the positives Solskjaer brings to the club (positivity, team spirit, both more important than people realize) and seeming like a rabid pack of wolves waiting to pounce on the manager's next misstep. To me, their accusations are equally idiotic. The difference, from my observations, is that the people against Ole usually point to our many sub-par statistics this season (some cherry-picked, for sure) which unfortunately do not look great for Ole. The people supporting Ole then respond with subjective observations of Ole's 3 great purchases, playing youth, and how he knows the United Way. So yes, one more objective, one more subjective. Both equally stupid when taken to extremes.
People are free to give your opinions on the 'OleOut' crowd, which I am sure both you, judging by your need to pick out my post and respond, and he, have.
I agree mostly with this, if pogba can get his mind on the rest of the season knuckle down who knows he may change his ways as he is imo the world class player when on his game he's unplayable, loving the young guns is the United way couple of world class players were do good next season, we knew it would be hard but it will come I have faith in this young team long may they grow with confidence
When you make ridiculous generalizations like you did, you can be sure someone will call you out on it, be it me or whomever else has reading comprehension above a fifth grade level, which is all it takes really to spot the folly of said generalization. The fact that you reduce individual people, in this case posters on redcafe, to opposing groups of ‘OleIn crowd’ and ‘OleOut crowd’ says a whole lot about your perspective. You also invoked the spirit of Trump supporters, for those exact same people you made that incredibly thick generalization about, which is the exact thing these Trump supporters do, on just about every subject (or so I’m told). Afterwards you go all out like you’re not one of these extremes.
Do you really not see the irony here?
To be clear, I wouldn’t want to cast judgement on those who want him sacked, seeing as I’m still in that group (edging ever closer to jumping ship though). I just appreciate precise language and respectful discussion, and so found your starting op in that exchange incredibly bloated, and in lack of a better expression at this time, houlier than thou’. Like you can see reason but noone else can, except those whose opinion you deem objective. Like a threadbare squad and injuries to important players aren’t actually factors in our poor runs, no that’s just subjective conjecture, or something.
Very much this. We aren't going to win every game we play and there is no doubt the pitchforks will come out when that happens, all from the same group of posters.
We will be brilliant one week and awful the next. It's not really about this season. We now have a very good first XI backed up by some concerning replacements in certain positions, but there is a lot of promise there.
We need to be patient. If we win something this season that's a bonus, but I'm not personally going to judge him on that, or whether we get a top 4 finish.
If we lose at Everton? Well that will suck, and will be a step back, but we cant be deciding game by game whether this mgmt team are good enough. It's not fair to do that this season. Not until we get those 3 or 4 additions that we badly need.
To summarise this post:
Regalia's opinion = objective analysis
Those who disgree = subjective analysis
Most people are stupid. Regalia is not.
Also, don't forget that the next game is always the "real test". Doesn't matter who we've just beaten, it's always the next match.
The answer is a lack of creative midfielders.
Now you’re just being incredibly emotional and irrational! Try being a little more objective please.To summarise this post:
Regalia's opinion = objective analysis
Those who disgree = subjective analysis
Most people are stupid. Regalia is not.
He still needs to go. If we do don't get Haaland he needs to go even quicker.
i am quite aware of how i sound but you don't because by saying that you either have trouble with comprehension or are just offering up a token weak riposte because you have nothing else OR don't know what pot, kettle, black means because i've not said anywhere i am absolutely right. OTOH you reduced it to 2 camps and generalizations while creating like i said a false dichotomy which plainly doesn't exist and now are trying to sit on the fence and appear neutral. we know the abuses and unflattering characterizations for Ole that have come from some people in particular by calling him an incompetent fraud, glazer shill ,etc.
This. A reasonable point of view that seems to escape most posters.
Unfortunately, you just proved my point.To summarise this post:
Regalia's opinion = objective analysis
Those who disgree = subjective analysis
Most people are stupid. Regalia is not.
There's no issue with a young team being inconsistent, but being consistently poor against lower half opposition is still a worry until it's addressed, rather it's an issue with mentality, tactics or both. There's plenty of young teams built in the past and present that are able to show their quality vs teams like Crystal Palace and Bournemouth. Arsenal's young team under Wenger, years back, although didn't win titles, put away weak opposition fairly consistently which is why they always ended up 4th.
If we go into the new year top 5, without Pogba barely playing all season I'll be quite impressed. Long way to go though, this period of the season is a nightmare for teams even with squads much deeper than ours.
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