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There's no doubt he's done a good job with spurs and replaced Us/Arsenal in the top 4 we have been shit for few years and arsenal are arsenal, ofcourse he still had to get them into top 4 so credit where its due but you seem to be making spurs players out to be some mediocre players who couldn't play football, Poch's best signings have been toby/alli and son (unless mistaken) and they had Walker/rose/Vertonghen/kane/lamela/erikson/lloris (from top of my head) when he arrived those aren't bad players to have in your team and most would have gone straight into top 4 teams.I don't see Poch as a guarantee, but I see him for what he is and what he has done in the PL. I think he has met or exceeded the expectations put in front of him at both stops so far in the Premier League, so I hesitate to think that if the expectations were for him to win trophies here,and they would be, that he wouldn't achieve it.
At Southampton he took them to their highest points total and finish in year 1. He has made Spurs into a team (not club) that has been consistently better than Manchester United during his reign. That alone is astonishing, but of course you can account for our own ineptitude. At the same time, he has more than proven that he can develop the hell out of young players, consistently win with "cheap" players, and do it all while playing a proactive brand of football. Most of the time, teams with lower budgets will resort to low-block defending and counter attacks, but he's built a team that can play with just about anyone in Europe on their day. Combining his proven track record of developing players, his style of play AND a significantly bigger budget seems a no-brainer.
That being said, I get why Ole is going to get the job. But among the footballing reasons, I imagine, is also a fear of supporter/media backlash if he was not to get the job at this point. And that to me makes the entire situation feel too reactive - which has been our issue since Fergie. If their intention was to get Poch all along, and now they're forced to go with Ole (their own doing) then I can just see a weird dynamic developing between Ole and the ownership.
2+1 made more sense.. I'd have gone shorter but can't really argue with that.
Who cares, it's not like you cant get sacked, since you're all so bothered about his contract length.. Didn't Moyes get booted after 10 months into a 6 year deal, did LVG and Mou not get booted early?2+1 made more sense.
Yeah but I can't imagine he's on the same money Mourinho was on. If it doesn't work out, it'll be a much cheaper process for the club, and OGS is such a good human that he'll probably walk away anyway. He doesn't seem like the money-loving type.2+1 made more sense.
It will leave bitterness in everyone, that's why.it's not like you cant get sacked,
Wouldn't that be something? I am afraid they'll never die though.RIP Poch fanboys.
This is incredible!
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I think Nuno is a better manager than Ole, and that is not just based on tonight's result.
Let's see when we play them in the league.
Let's revisit this at the end of the season.Yeah you haven't explained what patterns you're talking about though.
I think Nuno has a team hes been working with for a while and is comfortable with. Not saying he isnt better but Ole clearly is not comforable with some of the squad options.Test failed.
I think people on here want to think that Ole is a better manager than he actually is.
He bought Neves, Jota etc in the last 2 years. Neves just last year in fact IIRC.I think Nuno has a team hes been working with for a while and is comfortable with. Not saying he isnt better but Ole clearly is not comforable with some of the squad options.
Our midfield and front 3 were mainly second string
There was no need to indeedHe bought Neves, Jota etc in the last 2 years. Neves just last year in fact IIRC.
I think people on here want to think that Ole is a better manager than he actually is.
It was a mistake to give Ole the job before the season was out.
So 2 years more than Ole has been working with this squad, a group of players where he has bought zero of them...He bought Neves, Jota etc in the last 2 years. Neves just last year in fact IIRC.
I think people on here want to think that Ole is a better manager than he actually is.
It was a mistake to give Ole the job before the season was out.
Our last comfortable win was against Crystal Palace and we probably should have lost away to PSG and lost or drawn at home against Southampton.I thought we were very good. Not gonna expect miracles from the squad though because it's just screaming for quality and upgrades.
Funnily enough we could have won those 2 games vs Wolves and Arsenal had we been able finish up front.Our last comfortable win was against Crystal Palace and we probably should have lost away to PSG and lost or drawn at home against Southampton.
In short we could very easily be looking at 6 losses out of the last 7 and should probably be looking at 5 losses from 7.
We have Barcelona, City, Chelsea and Everton in 4 of our next 5 fixtures.
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If your point is we should evaluate Solskjær in a balanced way in stead of a fan way, I’m not sure I agree. As we don’t know much about what goes on behind the scenes, I think we should give our players, managers and even ceo’s the benefit of much doubt, and try to be their fans. A 80-20 balance. The CEO’s rome is to coldly evaluate the managers job, and he knows (or should know) a hell of a lot more than us. Our role is to back and even worship the team. To an extent.He bought Neves, Jota etc in the last 2 years. Neves just last year in fact IIRC.
I think people on here want to think that Ole is a better manager than he actually is.
It was a mistake to give Ole the job before the season was out.
You make a lot of assumptions there. My comments take more than just the last 7 games into account.If your point is we should evaluate Solskjær in a balanced way in stead of a fan way, I’m not sure I agree. As we don’t know much about what goes on behind the scenes, I think we should give our players, managers and even ceo’s the benefit of much doubt, and try to be their fans. A 80-20 balance. The CEO’s rome is to coldly evaluate the managers job, and he knows (or should know) a hell of a lot more than us. Our role is to back and even worship the team. To an extent.
You don’t seem to be balancing either, though. You pick seven games where we won some we could have lost, and lost some we could have won, and you summarize them in a disingenuous way.
And you compare another teams manager with our at completely different stages in their process, to make him look better. Wolf-tinted glasses are not better than red or rosy.
What's your point? Are you suggesting there is someone that would have won all 5 with this squad?4 defeats in the last 5 now....
I’m firmly on Ole’s side and I trust him, but there’s quite a middle ground between losing 4 of out 5 games and winning all 5, isn’t it?What's your point? Are you suggesting there is someone that would have won all 5 with this squad?
3 of the 4 were tight games away to decent sides when we have been hamstrung by injuries, the other was to Barcelona. There is a lot of delusion about how good this team actually is. These players have shown for years now under different managers that they are not up to it, but people still expect/predict them to win every game, its bizarre.I’m firmly on Ole’s side and I trust him, but there’s quite a middle ground between losing 4 of out 5 games and winning all 5, isn’t it?
This.3 of the 4 were tight games away to decent sides when we have been hamstrung by injuries, the other was to Barcelona. There is a lot of delusion about how good this team actually is. These players have shown for years now under different managers that they are not up to it, but people still expect/predict them to win every game, its bizarre.
That and if Spurs and Poch go through a rough streak, no such noises are made.3 of the 4 were tight games away to decent sides when we have been hamstrung by injuries, the other was to Barcelona. There is a lot of delusion about how good this team actually is. These players have shown for years now under different managers that they are not up to it, but people still expect/predict them to win every game, its bizarre.
Have we started to believe the whole 2nd place being a miracle with this squad then?3 of the 4 were tight games away to decent sides when we have been hamstrung by injuries, the other was to Barcelona. There is a lot of delusion about how good this team actually is. These players have shown for years now under different managers that they are not up to it, but people still expect/predict them to win every game, its bizarre.
Nah, we just change narratives to suit our points.Have we started to believe the whole 2nd place being a miracle with this squad then?
Miracle no. Over achievement compared to performances, definitely. Its been no surprise to me that we're not even top 4 this season. My predictions on here said so. Leicester won a league, Burnley finished 7th last season, these things happen.Have we started to believe the whole 2nd place being a miracle with this squad then?
The way i see it is we're a top 4 squad and Jose had us underperform this season. Ole has overall taken us back to top 4 form and now we're in a bit of a slump, don't really see a need to try and pretend some of our losses haven't been poor.Miracle no. Over achievement compared to performances, definitely. Its been no surprise to me that we're not even top 4 this season. My predictions on here said so. Leicester won a league, Burnley finished 7th last season, these things happen.
71 points that we had after 32 games last season would have us 3rd, 9 points behind 2nd, great.
No 'changed narrative' from me. I was consistent pre Solskjaer that these players weren't good enough regardless who was in charge.Nah, we just change narratives to suit our points.