It's really fecking not. I'm sure they can all find a way to shut their mouth and walk the walk first.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer's interview
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
I'm sure Ole wouldn't mind skipping all interviews and press conferences, especially while the team is losing this many games. Every manager is expected to do this stuff when asked for it. If you want to be miserable over each interview he does, then go for it. There will be more to come.
So you want us to fail? Wow with supporters such as yourself who needs rivals?
It must be hard being so used to success that you're completely unable to support the team when they are struggling. Seriously, if you can't get behind the team when results are not going their way, you have no business getting behind them when they are winning.
Yeah yeah something like that. If it makes you feel like a better fan than me because you don’t want the best for your football club. I don’t mind. It’s like when we all applaud Roy Keane for telling Cara to do one when he was talking about Liverpool’s nearly men. I just have the same mentality when supporting my club. Keep your soft belly mentality. It stinks.
Ermm. Tell me where I said that genius?So you want us to fail? Wow with supporters such as yourself who needs rivals?
I don't think I'm better than anyone. I'm merely pointing out that you take the good and the bad. You obviously want to only stand behind them when they are winning, and you will curse and yell and blame everyone when they lose. We're different people, which is fair enough.
You do realise he’s in a MANDATORY press conference?
what is wrong with you guys, you’ve all lost your heads. I really don’t think supporting football is good for your health
Wasn't hard - in fact you did so in the very post I quoted even:
Ole being gone = we've failed once more. Ole failing means the club's failing. You being happy that Ole fails = you being happy the club fails. I actually am a genius by the way both certifiable and proven so - but it doesn't take much more than the wits of a fairly average toddler to make that connection so it's actually quite impressive how hard you've failed.
I don't get people going mad at him answering questions in a mandatory interview. Do they expect him just to sit there and say nowt?
I love double standard. Klopp got Liverpool, a team wasnt his, to Europa league final in his first season but yes "he was a Fraud"
Ole struggled to beat Astana and he's building a culture.
I'm just tired of these non sense interviews. Ole said "football is easy" when you have good players like Rashy, Lingard etc..when he first came here and now it's a "multi seasons project". So which is true?
Anyway we don't need to hear it, just show us evidence on the field.
Ole struggled to beat Astana and he's building a culture.
I'm just tired of these non sense interviews. Ole said "football is easy" when you have good players like Rashy, Lingard etc..when he first came here and now it's a "multi seasons project". So which is true?
Anyway we don't need to hear it, just show us evidence on the field.
Or if he starts avoiding all interviews etc because the team is in bad form, what signals does that send? Do we want a manager who hides from the press when put under pressure?
It feels like we’ve got a lot of toxic fans that just can’t be happy with anything. They’ve decided ole is the bad guy now so whatever he does it’s wrong. Same sort of treatment pogba gets, it’s absolutely bonkers.
All of us want to see us win and do well, but sitting online slagging him off is just sad.
He’s failing anyway I’m just a realist. Either way at some point he will fail big enough for us to sack him. I just hope we don’t pursue with him based on our yo-yo performances. He’s not good enough and this has nothing to do with how successful I want the team to be. Abit like Mourinho finishing second and me not liking where he was taking our club.
Well if the board did there job like their little PR statement said when Mourinho got sacked we wouldn’t be angry at a club legend. But instead of evaluating the manager position they gave it to a rookie because he was saying all the right things.
It's just that they are so desperate now that they don't even think.
There are few posts in this thread i think which said "i don't care about his interviews" and thats posted in the thread that is dedicated for his interview.
The amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make their point
If you think players demanding more money breed toxicity in the dressing room, then I am afraid there are lot of 'toxic' players still in the dressing room. Negotiations with De Gea camp went for a while. Want to know why? Because he wanted parity with Sanchez wages, and that's what he got in the end with his new £375k a week deal. Rashford when negotiating his new deal wanted parity with Lukaku was on £200k a week, and that's exactly what he got in the end. But you already know this and your original point doesn't make a lot of sense.
Ole sold those players because they didn't fit into his 'ethos, principles, vision' whatever. The only player he was keen on keeping was Herrera, but he was long gone by then and preferred a better club with a better salary.
He has made decisions early on his reign which would be akin to popular opinion of many Utd fans. Fellaini received dogs abuse from the day he stepped his foot in, because he wasn't a 'United midfielder'. Same with Lukaku, as he wasn't a 'United striker' due to poor touch. Fellaini played just 30 minutes under Ole before being binned in the January window. Rashford was promoted to be #1 striker at the club immediately as Lukaku was dropped to the bench. After a good run of form, he made his way back into the XI which included three braces in a week including one away at PSG. But one sitter missed vs Arsenal the following week, he was dropped again. Let's not pretend standards were same for everyone, the leash for certain players was much much shorter compared to others.
All players which we've let go both on loan/permanent (with exception of Herrera) were because their roles were marginalized under Ole. Normally, this shouldn't come as a surprise because every manager prefers certain set/types of players but the problem with us has been, we never bothered to replace the players which we let go and kept players of much much worse quality than their loaned/sold counter-parts.
As I said before, if he starts winning again, even if he says the exact same words as before, they will be well received.
His only problem now isn't what he says, it's simply that he isn't getting results.
His only problem now isn't what he says, it's simply that he isn't getting results.
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Strawman.
In a job in which you run a team, your personality, the way you transmit your ideas and whether you can be stern and encouraging in the right measure depending on the situation is quite important. Ole says as much whenever he refers to Fergie.
But nevermind, we don't have to agree.
1) First we would need to agree which players are deadwood. It’s clear Valencia, Darmian are in that category. But Fellaini, Herrera, Smalling, and even Alexis are very debatable.
Getting rid of players without any replacement it’s not a great idea, Im all in for letting go Darmian and Smalling go since we got replacements in AWB and Maguire. But all the midfield and attack was left paperthin because “he got rid of the deadwood” now we are forced to start a 17 year old Greenwood in attack and play in midfield with Pereira and Lingard because we have no other alternative.
2) Promoted and involved youth heavily? He has give only a couple of chances to Greenwood, a few minutes to Chong and Gomes just got his first minutes last week. He plays with his starting XI of already consolidated/not young players. LVG started Rashford and Mourinho McTomminay so Id say Ole is more talk about youngsters than real action.Im not saying he doesn’t support youth but highlighting the youth as an important part of his work seems odd, he’s like any other manager in that aspect.
3) I agree on this, defense was a disaster, but so we are at RW where we haven’t had a proper winger in God knows how many years and left the midfield and attack really fragile. IMO I think we have a weaker squad than last season.
All we ask is steady progress and a clear style, under Ole we haven’t showned neither. Besides counterattacking we don’t seem to train anything at all.
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Yea I think you are right, and
Interesting point, he seems to be doing that a lot atm. With the whole "you can lose to anyone in this league" malarkey..
you're right, that was a silly syllogism but it is one that could be done based on what he wrote.Glad to see we have real geniuses in this forum.
I for myself am scared to death today but hope we can bag a win.
Most of the players that Ole brigade calls trash are better players than Ole is as a manager, but somehow it’s fine to hit the players while remaining a true supporter when making excuse for a norwegian league standard manager, but when people slate the manager, and rightly so, are labelled as fake fans. Aren’t these double standards?
Think you won that one!
What I'm saying is that changing the manager (again!) isn't the answer, and will most likely achieve very little. There's a lot of work to be done to transform the club into one capable of challenging for the big prizes, and I'm satisfied that progress is being made even if this isn't yet evident from results on the pitch. There is also a lot more work to be done.
Whether we like it or not, we are a long way off the likes of Liverpool and City right now, and it will take time to close the gap. In the meantime, we need to get a better balance in the squad by continuing to recruit the right sort of players, and continuing to move on those who aren't going to get us to where we want to be. Ole has done some good work in this area, and in truth has achieved more in his short tenure than his three predecessors did in 5 and a half years. We also need to improve our structures behind the scenes, and again things have been happening.
As fans, we are impatient and want to see things move on more quickly, but Ole faces a big task which has basically been neglected for years. Changing a manager who has already shown a determination to make the changes happen will, if anything, just slow things down.
As for the difference between Barca, Bayern, Real and us, the strength and depth of the opposition they face in their leagues is a more relevant factor.
Alright. Fair enough. I hope for the best. I really wanna see us get back to challenging for the majors.
Time will tell whose view is correct. No denying that. Give it up mate! Nothing will make me more excited than see us getting back to where we belong. Whether he is the right man or not remains to be seen.
Yeh and he doesn't truly believe that himself. After any win he gets as carried away as anyone and talks a great game. Then as soon as we lose it's back to managing expectations. We've seen this before.
Preach!
Yep with Gollum ‘The Wrong One’
.Too much time on your hands Adam? I keep seeing you trying to stem the tide all over the place
I can’t help myself at times, but it’s been a while since I’ve had your persistence.
Do know I appreciate you and the few other people trying to provide some balance.
This at least we do agree on
A week off work and lots of bones to pick! Not sure why I’m bothering tbh it’s like talking to rabid zombiesToo much time on your hands Adam? I keep seeing you trying to stem the tide all over the place
I can’t help myself at times, but it’s been a while since I’ve had your persistence.
Do know I appreciate you and the few other people trying to provide some balance.
I feel ya. Hard not to scratch that itch, but I find I never come away from it feeling better.
The problem is I don’t blame people feeling bad right now as let’s be honest it’s an awful situation. I just don’t see where we go if we sack ole now/soon.
what other managers out there? what plan do we follow? Woodward and ole have obviously got some sort of idea the direction they want to go, do we rip that up and start again?
the players on the pitch need to buck their ideas up as well, this was a match we should have won. Individual errors let us down again.
We know his signings have been on point, and that he’s doing important work in terms of clearing out deadwood. And I love that he’d rather go a bit bare into this season rather than signing someone he doesn’t reckon is fit for purpose, or whose head’s not in it for the right reasons. It seems obvious to me that even if we don’t get a shot at top 4, we’ll be better for it in the long run. Screw papering over the cracks.
He might not be fit for restoring us, but the basic rebuilding he’s doing now is selfless and necessary, IMO, and I think it’s obvious that we’re better off letting him carry on rather than someone more concerned with their own reputation beating Woodward over the head saying he needs the tools to succeed in the short term, possibly stacking up our wage bill and list of complacent squad member and bringing us back to where we were.
I second the notion that the players bear a great deal of responsibility too. We seem to have a real hard time picking and timing our passes in the final third.
We had one of the most successful managers of all time in the post prior and it was the exact same. You can't blame the manager
Okay if he makes "animations" United are going to play better, you should have been a comedian