Falcao and bfs werent big money purchases. It made alot of sense without hindsight.
To me a Klopp-esque signing is the following:
You missed my point. Both had recently missed a lot of playing time due to injuries. English PL is physically the most demanding on earth. Both were around 30. They were never going to be able to transition to a more manic league at their age, coming off the back of injuries.
Think you need to climb out of Jurgen's hole tbh mate.
I don’t know. I just don’t see any changed. But like someone pointed out they are all looking for the step up which is good. But they actually have to perform like there stepping up for it to work.Are you just making this up?
I don't like Jurgen, tbh. I like his football, though!
Zlatan did well to be honest.
For Liverpool(and Dortmund once they became a force again), most of Klopp's signings fit these descriptions, imo. Not all defenders and center forwards have been technical obviously.
How does it compare to us though? I mean those points can also be used for Chelsea and Spurs right now.
I'm not fully clear on what we have, but I've also heard about the committee.
I never claimed that we were the only ones making Klopp-esque signings.
We also have some very talented young players that are promising and could come through in the next few years...
Do you not think the club knew that AWB isn’t the same type of player as Walker? Who has ever said they thought he was? Walker isn’t as good at defending as AWB, so what, clubs know the type of player they are paying for they aren’t just taking a gamble for £50m haha. I think it’s also fair to say James was meant to be one for the future and /or a squad player. He had a great start to season which got everyone excited, me included, but we still need to keep some perspective on players abilities and what they bring to the squad.Good signings. But so was the previous 3 years. They only become excellent signings if they work out. But it’s always 50/50. Right about now Maguire is well overpriced and not much better than Lindelöf. AWB can’t attack for £50m hardly a Kyle Walker going forward and James the less the said the better.
So maybe everyone just feels good because the players brought don’t have arrogant faces
Well you tell me. What attacking team buys defensive full backs? I’d say we expected AWB to be better in attacking than he is showing.
I think they expect him to get better, hence buying potential. Same for James. Same for VDB who's coming in now.
Big difference between Zlatan and Falco/Schweinsteiger.
| | Days lost | Matches lost |
Knee Problems | Aug 6 - Aug 27, 2015 | 21 | 3 |
Abdominal Strain | Sep 10 - Sep 14, 2015 | 4 | 1 |
| From | To: | days lost | matches lost |
Cruciate Ligament Rupture | Jan 23, 2014 | Aug 1, 2014 | 190 | 20 |
| | From: | To: | days lost | matches lost |
14/15 | Patella problems | Aug 11, 2014 | Nov 19, 2014 | 100 | 18 |
14/15 | Tear in a joint capsule | Apr 6, 2015 | Apr 20, 2015 | 14 | 4 |
15/16 | Minor Knock | Jul 23, 2015 | Jul 27, 2015 | 4 | 0 |
| Total; | | | 118 | 22 |
There is no way you pay £50m and expect a play to be better at something than they have shown previously. I’d say we knew he was excellent defensively and we think we can improve his end product, which I think he has improved on through out the season and will get better at it next season.
I dont think VdB comes here unless he believes he's starting.
Has he played as DM for Ajax? Would be nice if he has.
It’s unbelievable looking back that anyone expected anything of Falcao coming straight off an ACL recovery. I understand it was only a loan but still a really weird move for us.
Klopp broke WR for a goalkeeper and then defender. He also spent 150m on three midfielders but continues to play kick and rush style. Where does that fit it?
Kyle Walker was crap at the age AWB is. He was kept out of Spurs team by Kyle Naughton.
It wasn’t a diss to be honest. I was just saying Zlatan did well considering his age coming into the Prem.
For £50m you best be able to attack and defend well especially if it’s what you desire going forward. Yes people can improve but I’ve never seen a player change their whole style at the peak of their game. AWB will probably get a lot better at defending and I’m sure it’s easier for that to improve than his attacking. He’s not very comfortable on the ball. There’s ceilings with everyone’s game. He’s not going to be very good in attack to the level which we will require. But if the player infront of him is world class we might be alright.
we’ll have to agree to disagree on this as we are both guessing on what the club expected for their £50m. The fee isn’t AWBs problem, we bought him on the back of what he showed the year before and that was 90% defending.
"Generally" does not mean "always". But for what it's worth: VVD and Allison are both "second shelf signings" based on my definitions. And they were not exactly old when they signed(27?). Their price was high because of the classic PL tax and the fact that Liverpool were desperate for strengthening those positions.
I'm not sure about this. Maguire, AWB and Bruno have all had great seasons in their first years at a big club. James looked like an extremely shrewd signing (who had a better-than-expected start at United given the summer he had with the big move and his dad passing) but lack of squad depth meant he was relied on more than anticipated..Good signings. But so was the previous 3 years. They only become excellent signings if they work out. But it’s always 50/50. Right about now Maguire is well overpriced and not much better than Lindelöf. AWB can’t attack for £50m hardly a Kyle Walker going forward and James the less the said the better.
So maybe everyone just feels good because the players brought don’t have arrogant faces
Fair enough mate, I accept they fit your criteria.
Agreed.
So did Zlatan, Pogba, Mkhitaryan(to an extent), Bailly, Lukaku and Matic! Which was my point. Give them time nothing’s really changed. But he’s brought correctly for what we had become and what we require. If that makes sense.
Maguire and AWB are better than what we had. We will not get perfection first go its a process as long as we are improving we are on the right road.Good signings. But so was the previous 3 years. They only become excellent signings if they work out. But it’s always 50/50. Right about now Maguire is well overpriced and not much better than Lindelöf. AWB can’t attack for £50m hardly a Kyle Walker going forward and James the less the said the better.
So maybe everyone just feels good because the players brought don’t have arrogant faces
