Ollie Watkins | United possibly interested

Why would they do that? They'd be left with the worst striker in the league and just 20 million in compensation. Sounds like a recipe for them to end up in the bottom half.
Well obviously the primary reasons are PSR and/or SCR (UEFA). My impression is that Villa's concerns aren't about the cash, but more of regulatory concerns.
Hojlund has had a very bad season, but he is young and can/will develop in the correct environment for him - maybe at Villa the circumstances for him to thrive is better - so they might feel that he could be worth a shot as one of two striker signings this summer.

Surely rashford will be going the other way if anybody
With regards to SCR (UEFAs Squad Cost Rules) I highly doubt that Villa can absorb Rashfords wages.
 
Not my first choice but if we can't get any of Osimhen/Ekitike/Mateta then I will happily take him
 
Sixty million for a striker who is 30 in December is a joke. More so when you consider Arsenal were making a £40m bid a year ago when he was banging em in.

Villa want £60m. Time to walk away.

Have Villa stated a figure this summer or are you guys referencing the January figure? If that’s the January figure, think you can safely throw that assumption out the window.
 
Well obviously the primary reasons are PSR and/or SCR (UEFA). My impression is that Villa's concerns aren't about the cash, but more of regulatory concerns.
Hojlund has had a very bad season, but he is young and can/will develop in the correct environment for him - maybe at Villa the circumstances for him to thrive is better - so they might feel that he could be worth a shot as one of two striker signings this summer.


With regards to SCR (UEFAs Squad Cost Rules) I highly doubt that Villa can absorb Rashfords wages.
Well according to numerous (crappy though) sources Watkins is on 130k a week. Marcus on the other hand will earn 225k a week (no CL football) and will probably accept a pay cut just not to return to us. If it gets down to 200k and with united helping out then I can see this deal being made. The problem is whether villa wants him after this Barcelona obsession
 
I like the idea of signing Watkins from a footballing point of view as he's the right profile of striker for the current team and Amorim's system. He plays on the last line, stretches defenders and pushes the opposition backline deeper, this gives our 10s (Cunha and Mbeumo) space to carry the ball and create or score. Plus he himself is a very competent goal scorer.

However, for the money Villa would want and his wages it's simply not worth it from a budget point of view. Add to that he's 30 this year and will have little resale value and it becomes a difficult deal for the hierarchy to approve, even though you can see why the scouts would identify him as a target.

Achieving the right balance between what Amorim wants from a striker and someone who fits the age profile and budget is going to be incredibly difficult this summer.
 
You won’t often see me type anything about ‘full cost’ and outlay, but beyond a certain age and quality of player (the offset of decline), it’s an extremely important factor in assessing whether making such a move is a good or bad idea. This is the age of the last mega contract in Europe for most players and they need assurances, security and incentive to move otherwise most stay where they are, or they’ve already planned for said final contract by having their current one run down to its end or where they call the shots on what is viable because they can talk to other clubs on their terms with their current club risking losing them for free or at least getting a considerably reduced fee ( hello RVP) on what would have been if they were halfway through their current contract (hello Watkins).

I think Kane was the obvious anomaly as even in his final year, and even with his age at the time, he would have cost an English club over £100m and still was sold for a fortune abroad. But as I said before S and A tier players are different; their slide is factored in and they remain lethal on the way down for a much longer period of time, and depending how clear of the pack they were in the first place, their bad/awful is going from elite/top dog to being very, very good or very good, so they offset risk differently. On top of that, they are a well of experience and know-how for others to learn and develop their own game from. They generally bring a lot more to the table beside their quality. Watkins is none of these things. He’s a not far above average player and his potential slide (when his athleticism betrays him) isn’t something I would back for the outlay. It’s just too much of a gamble. To your bolded, what is a good deal for Watkins? Bearing in mind he does have a good thing going in a more successful team than ours who are not going to give up their status quo because we come begging for “a fair price”. We’re a rival who could prove to be a hindrance to their own ambitions, so not only would it be prudent to stick it to us on that score, but also for the very real fact that’s taking a chunk of their goals away. Unless their PSR issues force their hand, there is no reason at all for them to do us a favour, especially one that could come back to haunt them.
So I think £30-40m is a good deal - maybe throw some performance related add ons in there for him reproducing his form. I think he would also have to fit into our current wage strucure, which looks like 180k would be the max, but heavily incentivised. So we're talking a £70-80m outlay over 4 years. They were happy to sell him mid season, to another team in the league, for £60m. You could argue that would be a hinderance to their own ambitions when chasing CL, so there must have been a reason why they were happy to move him on. They didn't make CL, so they now have a sellable asset, who would likely be pure profit on the books and their last chance to sell him for a decent fee. The only thing they've managed to sell is their womens team, at a ridiculous price and it's just kept them in the black. If they want to invest in their squad, they're going to have to sell someone - I think.

Now if I take that 70/80m cost for 4 season and try and find that value elsewhere, I think you struggle. Gyokeres would likely be £70m+ with the same wages, Ekitete the same, Sesko maybe cost more and none of them have us as their first choice. They all have their own risks of moving to a new league and you may even miss out on a sesaon of "production", as they a adapt - they also may never adapt. I don't think Watkins carries that risk, he carries a risk that he may decline, but I don't think there's anything to suggest he would sharply decline. He would also add experience up top, which we're definitely missing. With Watkins, Mbuemo and Cunha, that's 50 league goals last season, that could be added to our front 3. It's pretty much as close as your going to get to a sure fire way of improving our attacking output and likely will be the cheapest way of doing it.

That's my two cents anyway, I'm not blind to the risks and think your concerns are valid. I wouldn't want us giving a bumper contract and big transfer fee, but I think finding a middle ground would be possible and that would prove cheaper in the longer term and bigger instant impact than the other options out there.
 
Very happy to zag here and say I would take him for anything less than £40m. The age reasoning some are parroting is laughable.
 
Well according to numerous (crappy though) sources Watkins is on 130k a week. Marcus on the other hand will earn 225k a week (no CL football) and will probably accept a pay cut just not to return to us. If it gets down to 200k and with united helping out then I can see this deal being made. The problem is whether villa wants him after this Barcelona obsession
Well I should have written *costs instead of wages in my previous post, as it's not just a matter of wages but also the transfer fee involved. In the scenario I painted in my OP, them loaning Rashford really doesn't make sense.
 
Straight swap for Rashford would be a good deal if it could get done
 
Villa rejected 50M in Jan from Arsenal. Suddenly they willing to accept 40M bid from us? Why? Because we are Man Utd?
 
Not a fan, can be very sloppy technically and often look super one dimensional. Good finisher with clever movement, he can score goals but plenty of flaws. That Villa preferred Rashford at CF in their biggest game of the season is telling.
 
Not a fan, can be very sloppy technically and often look super one dimensional. Good finisher with clever movement, he can score goals but plenty of flaws. That Villa preferred Rashford at CF in their biggest game of the season is telling.
That's the one dimension we need most from our striker.

He will be successful here, can probably best Rashford's best season too once we're in that many competitions again
 
Honestly? I would take any decent striker at this point. After enduring Hojilund and Zirkzee the only way is up.
 
Guaranteed goals would be nice, though nothing is guaranteed I suppose, look at Alexis Sanchez
 
It's crazy to me that so many struggle to understand nuance. You can have a policy such as that as your primary focus but simple minds seem to think that then must be all or nothing.

Is it really that hard to grasp that we would primarily target players under 25s but still be open to certain deals for players outside of that criteria, should the deal make sense and we need the player? You can't just have a single hard and fast rule that you never deviate from.

I can't believe this even needs saying, but sadly yours isn't the only comment I see like this.
Ollie Watkins at 29 with a price tag of 50+million and would be a 3yr deal minimum on big money is good business???
I find it hard to believe that some on here never learn :rolleyes:
 
A striker willing and able to run into wide channels and threaten the backs of defenders absolutely suits us.
I guess you never saw Amorims team to play, he likes no9 to be able to bring everyone into play with the back to his goal as well, someone like Gyokeres is perfect because he can do whatever you say about striker/ watkins to run into channels buut also dropping deep in the build up. We are certainly not bringing a player who will be able just to run into channels on the counter. We might as well just keep Rashford and Hojlund.

Thats why I think its a bit of a mismatch because I dont think Watkins is particularly good at droping deeper, holding the ball up. People will see, once, we have such striker. We will unlock new dimension to our attack. Not only we will be able to have a defensive hoof to the striker but quick interplay between the striker dropping deep and giving t to bruno for a good angled through ball to the wings will be mint.

We were still decent going around but this is a must.
 
He’s exactly the type of boring striker we need at this moment. Experienced, match fit most of the time, scores goals, does the basics of a striker well.

We can add one of those exciting, flair, young strikers once we have the spine of our team sorted.
 
He’s exactly the type of boring striker we need at this moment. Experienced, match fit most of the time, scores goals, does the basics of a striker well.

We can add one of those exciting, flair, young strikers once we have the spine of our team sorted.

Also... we cant keep spending 70/80m on players... If we can get him for around 40m with Rashford going the other way or even Garnacho with a bit of money on top, it will help us go secure other players too.

This will also allow us 1/2 seasons to see how good Obi is and also scout upcoming strikers.. because all the strikers in the market right now all come with flaws.
 
With Cunha and Mbeumo either side do we think that Rasmus or Zirkzee might actually be more productive next season and use our money to strengthen elsewhere?
No. I don't see Zirkzee as having the goalscoring instincts to be significantly more productive in terms of scoring goals.

Hojlund showed in his first season he's got the ability to put a few away in the right circumstances, but his overall game is rotten at present.

I don't expect having new 10s to improve these players productivity to the point they'd be a decent alternative to an even half decent striker coming in.
 
Id take him just because his off the ball runs are very good and different to what you'll get from the players we have. He will turn defenders rather than try to back into them.

Don't think he's a great player but then neither is most of the rest of our team. He isn't a bad player either though