Omar Berrada | Man Utd CEO

There’s a reason city weren’t too fussed when we took him, unlike Newcastle were with Ashworth, they know he doesn’t have the calibre to lead a big club so no real concerns letting him go to a rival
 
redNATION said:
There’s a reason city weren’t too fussed when we took him, unlike Newcastle were with Ashworth, they know he doesn’t have the calibre to lead a big club so no real concerns letting him go to a rival
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I also like to make up stuff that aligns with my own personal viewpoints.
 
redNATION said:
There’s a reason city weren’t too fussed when we took him, unlike Newcastle were with Ashworth, they know he doesn’t have the calibre to lead a big club so no real concerns letting him go to a rival
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They didn’t need to be because they are well run. He has always come across as knowledgeable even when at city.

That being said he got Amorim wrong and between him and the higher ups they need to let go.

We also need to leave him to the business and let Wilcox or Wilcox replacement do the football stuff.
 
Bastian said:
Has he come under any scrutiny in the media? He's the one who ultimately stepped into Ashworth's role and appointed Amorim and Ratcliffe then proceeded to sack Ashworth.
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He may well do after today's Amorim quotes
 
I never took Amorim decison so much against him (or all of it being his fault). I know it is pretty much confirmed he was the one for him. But he isn't a football person, he definitely needed to have support of Wilcox and approval of Ratcliffe in the whole thing so it points more to the decison making process being fecked up. Ultimately all of Wilcox/Ratcliffe/him are sharing the blame and maybe those first 2 even more as the one is a football person while the second was fine with all that and gave a green light.

Why was Ratcliffe even part of the team that interviewed managers when they were unsure about ten Hag or when we went after Amorim? 'Best in class' were already ih their positions.
 
Just seen the report that Wilcox apparently wasn't for Amorim. Personally, don't believe it, but that would look even worse on Ratcliffe.
 
Jim Beam said:
Just seen the report that Wilcox apparently wasn't for Amorim. Personally, don't believe it, but that would look even worse on Ratcliffe.
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Ratcliffe should have stuck to other sports instead
 
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He has no business choosing the manager. He needs to go as well for hiring Amorim and he only hired him primary because he was linked with City. The turnaround from sacking ETH to hiring Amorim was way too quick.
 
So, Ashworth was right all along?

If Berrada had listened to his ex-DOF instead of sacking him, we would have saved hundreds of millions and 2 years in the wilderness again!

Ashworth knew from day 1 that Amorim was the wrong appointment and he resigned when his advice was not heed.

Berrada and Wilcox already made a major mistake by insisting on Amorim and bypassed the ex-DOF. They can't afford to make the next appointment wrong.

Berrada and Wilcox already sacked Ashworth and Amorim but the main problem seems to be their own competency. They did 2 major rookie mistakes in less than 18 months that cause the club hundreds of millions and 2 years of wilderness.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
So, Ashworth was right all along?

If Berrada had listened to his ex-DOF instead of sacking him, we would have saved hundreds of millions and 2 years in the wilderness again!

Ashworth knew from day 1 that Amorim was the wrong appointment and he resigned when his advice was not heed.

Berrada and Wilcox already made a major mistake by insisting on Amorim and bypassed the ex-DOF. They can't afford to make the next appointment wrong.

Berrada and Wilcox already sacked Ashworth and Amorim but the main problem seems to be their own competency.
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Exactly and now 14 months on from Berrada pulling rank on Ashworth and pushing for Amorim whilst Ashworth said it needed a PL proven coach to lay the foundations all the stories coming out today are that Ineos, Berrada and Wilcox want ……. A PL PROVEN coach, honestly you just couldn’t write it but it just goes to show Ashworth was the only one who actually knew what he was doing and had experience in running a footballing department and being successful.
 
davidmichael said:
Exactly and now 14 months on from Berrada pulling rank on Ashworth and pushing for Amorim whilst Ashworth said it needed a PL proven coach to lay the foundations all the stories coming out today are that Ineos, Berrada and Wilcox want ……. A PL PROVEN coach, honestly you just couldn’t write it but it just goes to show Ashworth was the only one who actually knew what he was doing and had experience in running a footballing department and being successful.
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Weren’t the leading names put forward by Ashworth at the time Frank, Howe and Silva. None of those names really strike any confidence. At the time neither Glasner or Iraola were making the waves they are now.

They were wrong to appoint Amorim, but he was wrong to consider any of those.
 
macheda14 said:
Weren’t the leading names put forward by Ashworth at the time Frank, Howe and Silva. None of those names really strike any confidence. At the time neither Glasner or Iraola were making the waves they are now.

They were wrong to appoint Amorim, but he was wrong to consider any of those.
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Who at the time other than Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino were actually better than those three names that were also PL proven ? It’s been said countless times by others as well as myself that the plan was clearly a PL proven coach to come in and lay the foundations, none of those three may have brought back the glory days BUT to stabilise us they were great choices rather than a hipster choice made by a sponsorship guy and sold to Ineos as a big statement shortcut to success.
 
davidmichael said:
Exactly and now 14 months on from Berrada pulling rank on Ashworth and pushing for Amorim whilst Ashworth said it needed a PL proven coach to lay the foundations all the stories coming out today are that Ineos, Berrada and Wilcox want ……. A PL PROVEN coach, honestly you just couldn’t write it but it just goes to show Ashworth was the only one who actually knew what he was doing and had experience in running a footballing department and being successful.
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Yes. Ashworth made it very clear that Amorim was the wrong appointment and he distanced himself clearly from this decision by resigning.

He doesn't want to be seen to be such incompetent to appoint a head coach that play totally different style of play with the players we have at the club. Rookie big mistake and recipe for disaster.

The results? Hundreds of millions wasted and 2 years of wilderness as predicted by Ashworth.
 
davidmichael said:
Exactly and now 14 months on from Berrada pulling rank on Ashworth and pushing for Amorim whilst Ashworth said it needed a PL proven coach to lay the foundations all the stories coming out today are that Ineos, Berrada and Wilcox want ……. A PL PROVEN coach, honestly you just couldn’t write it but it just goes to show Ashworth was the only one who actually knew what he was doing and had experience in running a footballing department and being successful.
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Its almost comical when you think about it.
 
Raoul said:
You may be onto something here.
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Certainly looks as though Ratcliffe backed the wrong horse doesn't it. I'm still not sure how it went how it did with Ashworth, surely after investing both time and money into Ashworth, you would take his advice more seriously than the CEO or City's ex-youth guy. Especially since Ashworth is the actual overseer of the footballing department.
 
Zedd said:
Certainly looks as though Ratcliffe backed the wrong horse doesn't it. I'm still not sure how it went how it did with Ashworth, surely after investing both time and money into Ashworth, you would take his advice more seriously than the CEO or City's ex-youth guy. Especially since Ashworth is the actual overseer of the footballing department.
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Its been a shit show from day one. The posturing over ten Hag's future, visiting him in Ibiza, getting him to stay on and do an entire summer spend based on his priorities only to sack him and expect Amorim to leverage ten Hag's players. Amorim was always a bit of a deer in the headlights being extracted from the comfort of the Portuguese league into the post Fergie cauldron that was Man United. Was always destined to go wrong.
 
Raoul said:
Its been a shit show from day one. The posturing over ten Hag's future, visiting him in Ibiza, getting him to stay on and do an entire summer spend based on his priorities only to sack him and expect Amorim to leverage ten Hag's players. Amorim was always a bit of a deer in the headlights being extracted from the comfort of the Portuguese league into the post Fergie cauldron that was Man United. Was always destined to go wrong.
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I think Amorim could have been a success, if the squad was ready moulded to his system.

But I also feel he cracks too much at press conferences, he's not an elite coach with giant balls that tells the press to feck off.

Klopp, Guardiola, Conte, Ancelotti and Simeone are the only coaches I feel that can tell the press feck off.

I genuinely do not know a candidate out there that can get the players to buy the idea, win results, lead the club and also manage the press.

Not one. It's weird that as a club we are feeding off scraps with managers.

Who the feck is remotely available that's not some hipster flavour of the month coach, that's my major concern.

People want Glasner, Iraola for example and we have walked that path already, it doesn't work.

We had to fire Amorim after his outburst but what option is out there now I have zero idea.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
So, Ashworth was right all along?

If Berrada had listened to his ex-DOF instead of sacking him, we would have saved hundreds of millions and 2 years in the wilderness again!

Ashworth knew from day 1 that Amorim was the wrong appointment and he resigned when his advice was not heed.

Berrada and Wilcox already made a major mistake by insisting on Amorim and bypassed the ex-DOF. They can't afford to make the next appointment wrong.

Berrada and Wilcox already sacked Ashworth and Amorim but the main problem seems to be their own competency. They did 2 major rookie mistakes in less than 18 months that cause the club hundreds of millions and 2 years of wilderness.
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Yeah I'm sure Potter would have worked out so much better..

In time, people will realise the work that Amorim has done to change the dressing room culture.

Wilcox obviously was correct about his reservations about the rigidity to which he stuck to his system and lack of flexibility, but we bought players who fit in multiple formations anyway..

Berrada has a bit of egg on his face, I guess but really Amorim didn't adapt because he became too obsessed with perception and power before he had any credit to his name and when his bosses pointed out the lack of adaptation he spun out.

Everyone can see that when we're on the back foot we get better results. Amorim never figured out how to get his system to get his best players in quality positions against a low block whilst also defending transitions well, because in theory the 'perfect 3-4-3' should work and he is obsessed with the idea but in practice it was too hard to balance at PL pace to our required standard without mega investment and the club rightly suggested adapting to a back 4 when we are expected to have more of the ball to get immediate results
 
Drainy said:
Yeah I'm sure Potter would have worked out so much better..

In time, people will realise the work that Amorim has done to change the dressing room culture.

Wilcox obviously was correct about his reservations about the rigidity to which he stuck to his system and lack of flexibility, but we bought players who fit in multiple formations anyway..

Berrada has a bit of egg on his face, I guess but really Amorim didn't adapt because he became too obsessed with perception and power before he had any credit to his name and when his bosses pointed out the lack of adaptation he spun out.

Everyone can see that when we're on the back foot we get better results. Amorim never figured out how to get his system to get his best players in quality positions against a low block whilst also defending transitions well, because in theory the 'perfect 3-4-3' should work and he is obsessed with the idea but in practice it was too hard to balance at PL pace to our required standard without mega investment and the club rightly suggested adapting to a back 4 when we are expected to have more of the ball to get immediate results
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It was well documented from day one that we don't have the squad to play Amorim's system. Amorim himself said that multiple times. And the owners called for patient for the 3 years project.

It was also well documented that Amorim is rigid on 5 at the back. Even, Pope can't change him. It's a clear mistake from Berrada and Amorim camp. No need to spin it any other way.

They can't get the next appointment wrong. Amorim may have improved the team but ultimately we have thrown away 2 seasons which would have been managed better.
 
macheda14 said:
Weren’t the leading names put forward by Ashworth at the time Frank, Howe and Silva. None of those names really strike any confidence. At the time neither Glasner or Iraola were making the waves they are now.

They were wrong to appoint Amorim, but he was wrong to consider any of those.
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It's also well reported that he was one of the main voices in favour of keeping ETH after the FA cup final, despite being on 'garden leave' which we all know is bollocks thanks to the leaked emails. Just because INEOS have made a lot of bad decisions, it doesn't necessarily mean that sacking Ashworth was one of them.
 
Escobar said:
I really dont understand why we still have no class, proven, talented DoF
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We had the opportunity to do that with Rangnick, but too many egos were hurt and reportedly ETH wanted nothing to do with him because he wanted the power to choose the players that he brought in. Then he went on to oversee perhaps the worst transfer business in our entire history in his 2 years here.
 
Everyone knew that Wilcox prefers a back 4 formation so why did these idiots then appoint a manager who has only ever used a back 3?

They should all be on the same page when it comes to appointing managers.
 
davidmichael said:
Who at the time other than Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino were actually better than those three names that were also PL proven ? It’s been said countless times by others as well as myself that the plan was clearly a PL proven coach to come in and lay the foundations, none of those three may have brought back the glory days BUT to stabilise us they were great choices rather than a hipster choice made by a sponsorship guy and sold to Ineos as a big statement shortcut to success.
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I understand people saying we shouldn't fire him for one mistake but the fact is it wasn't his mistake to make. Ashworth has more experience and should have been given the space to make this decision, had he been wrong, he is the one we would now be blaming but also giving some rope because it's an extremely difficult decision to make.

Now we are reverting to Ashworth's plan but we are a year too late and have suffered more reputational damage. No top manager is touching us after what I consider to be Wilcox's well intentioned interference.

What him and Ratcliffe should have understood is that Ten Hag left a mess and clearing it was going to be costly because no one was going to pay us useful fees for most of his duds. This meant that we needed to replace them from internal resources and would take time. It's still the case but at least in a 4-3-3 variant the central midfield duo was always one where you needed to spend money on, the defense is okayish and many teams can function without a 20 goal striker.

Now he needs to demand, from Wilcox and Vivell, that they find a midfielder who can come in and do a job but who will cost under £40m to give us that competitive edge but still have a summer budget.
 
santeria13 said:
We had the opportunity to do that with Rangnick, but too many egos were hurt and reportedly ETH wanted nothing to do with him because he wanted the power to choose the players that he brought in. Then he went on to oversee perhaps the worst transfer business in our entire history in his 2 years here.
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We got Ashworth but never replaced him. Which is really naive and shows that the management wants to be involved too much
 
The only managers that do well under this ownership are Southgate, Potter, Ole etc. no other top quality coach can do anything. They don’t fully back the managers. The only way we do well is to get the managers who believe these are top quality players and can make do with them.

We still have players who played under 4-5 managers.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
The only managers that do well under this ownership are Southgate, Potter, Ole etc. no other top quality coach can do anything. They don’t fully back the managers. The only way we do well is to get the managers who believe these are top quality players and can make do with them.

We still have players who played under 4-5 managers.
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They don't fully back the managers how?
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
The only managers that do well under this ownership are Southgate, Potter, Ole etc. no other top quality coach can do anything. They don’t fully back the managers. The only way we do well is to get the managers who believe these are top quality players and can make do with them.

We still have players who played under 4-5 managers.
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Shaws played under 6!
 
I think you have to wait until after 5 years and then look at things as a whole.

No issue with people making mistakes but making mistakes twice as ineos say (or continuing to make the same mistake daily) is unforgivable.

The proper football structure has only been in place for 18 months. I'm willing to give them time and let it play out.

I suspect the results will improve now but let's see where we are in a few years.

Ashworth comes out of this with lots of credit. He was right. If we are still paying him, can we get him back?
 
davidmichael said:
Who at the time other than Guardiola, Klopp and Pochettino were actually better than those three names that were also PL proven ? It’s been said countless times by others as well as myself that the plan was clearly a PL proven coach to come in and lay the foundations, none of those three may have brought back the glory days BUT to stabilise us they were great choices rather than a hipster choice made by a sponsorship guy and sold to Ineos as a big statement shortcut to success.
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Thats my point. Saying ‘we want a stable PL proven manager’ isn’t a great tactic when there weren’t really any on offer at the time.

I mean just going with one of the names. Do you think based on his current tenure at Spurs that Frank would have been a good bet? I really wanted him when ETH almost got sacked in that summer, but now it looks like he doesn’t know how to play a lock of proactive football. So I don’t think he would have bought any stability there.

Howe now has all the Newcastle fans thinking he’s hit a dead end, he definitely could have been a stabilising manager in the interim.

Silva, an unknown entity really. He has Fulham playing functional football. But could he handle a club the size of United?

I think they were on balance better choices than Amorim, but they were still pretty dire choices.
 
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