Omar Berrada: Manchester United aiming to win the title by 2028

Maluco said:
We have to be more positive than that.

It would be a different story of the teams that qualified were so good, but City had a poor season and Chelsea and Spurs are both poor football teams.

It shouldn’t be an unreasonable objective to get back into the CL, especially with the like of Cunha and Mbeumo joining.

The eleven is more than good enough to qualify and Amorim needs to take responsibility too.

European qualification should be the minimum next season, with CL a proper objective.
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I will back us to finish top 5 next season if, on top of having signed Cunha, we also sign Mbeumo, one of Osimhen/Gyokeres, Ederson, and Emi Martinez.
 
Less talk Omar and more action. I want to see players out the door, more movement with players in. We have a tonne of work to do, lucky to finish 15th. At the end of the window say something, not empty promises and predictions about 2028 in June. Everyone at the club will get it by Christmas if we aren't in a better place, better football and results are required.

I don't want to hear about these players either, then half of them survive again another season. The up to 12 players could leave narrative has disappeared hasn't it? Only ones that left, have been out of contract players. We really need to see an exodus now of this squad, control the loser mentality and get rid of as many as you can. Nowhere to hide for Ineos, Glazers, players and manager now. We need to see massive change on the pitch.
 
We have to judge Omar by whether he has his big boy boots on and enables Amorin to proceed into the season with the faces needed , both inward and outward.

Certainly they are somewhat impacted by the terrible transfer business and ridiculous contracts that preceded him, but these constant issues bringing in targets and not being able to move expendable players is a joke when compared to Citeh, Chelski and most others. Get busy , don’t let down the massive fan base again .
 
It does seem like last season is probably the worst it can be. Late manager sacking, mismatch of players and the new manager, a squad thats broken culturally and mentally. So i agree with what Berrada said. Can we challenge in 2028? Possible but its way less believable than claiming the worst is behind us. Just because the worst is in the past doesnt mean success is in the future. He needs to be ruthless with recruitment and getting rid of the wrong people who will only get in a way of his ambition. And thats not an easy task with owners as conservative as ineos. They werent even ruthlesa enough with Ten Hag where as most serious owners would have sacked him to kick start a new era. Too slow and too cautious.
 
Big Ron’s Coat said:
Aside from Mazraoui I disagree. Yoro looks a serious talent but we paid through the nose to get him.

It’s not moaning it’s just calling it as I see it.
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I think Maz, De Ligt, Zirkzee and Yoro were good business. It remains to be seen if Ugarte can do well here but he is young and shouldn't be difficult to shift and replace.
Dan_F said:
The jury is out on Ugarte in my opinion, but I don’t see any issues with the rest of them. Whether they will be good enough is obviously a question that will be answered over the coming season or two. But the crucial difference is that I don’t see any player (Ugarte aside) who we wouldn’t be able to break even or get a profit on.

This is how transfers should work. No club gets it 100% right, but even the wrong ones shouldn’t have a damaging impact financially, which is what we were doing previously.
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Yes, the transfer account shouldn't need constant reinvestment. The majority of our business should be funded by sales, it's not sustainable to pour £150m into transfer business every summer and then not see performances improving.

Our transfer business should always be two tier: sign the Cunha's and Mbuemo but also make sure you have the Heavens and Obis. If the young punts are managed we'll, you sell at a profit or they become first team fixtures instead of spending forty million everytime you need a player for the first team.

This is where Wilcox should earn his big bucks, always make sure that after spending on the big players we do have some project players on which we spend a few millions on.

cpresc said:
Well, Liverpool finished 42 points ahead, literally double our grand total of 42 points and have since signed Wirtz and Frimpong and nowlooking at Guehi apparently..

So we're up against it I'd say!
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Liverpool are building from a position of strength and have the stability that we can only envy. If we do get that stability over the next two years we could be in a position where signing a superstar elevates us to challengers. We must first stabilize by building a team that can consistently stay in the top 5.
El Zoido said:
We’re still hamstrung by the previous regime, it’ll take a long time to fully fix.
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This, we all forget how terrible it has been. Imagine we spent £70m on Sancho, £80m on Antony and are now having to spend £60m on Mbuemo just for the right wing, in just five years. When we bought Sancho Liverpool already had Salah, we are getting rid of both Sancho and Antony and Salah is Player of the year. Same applies to Maguire, De Ligt and Varane. Our hit rate was atrocious.
 
Bestie07 said:
I’m only going to judge the current management based on players signed from summer 24. Their hands are obviously tied by the sh!tshow that preceded them.
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Not a great start then. I don’t rate any of last summers signings very highly. I like Yoro but spending £60m on a 19 year old with 1 year left on his contract doesn’t look like sensible business to me.
 
Josep Dowling said:
Not a great start then. I don’t rate any of last summers signings very highly. I like Yoro but spending £60m on a 19 year old with 1 year left on his contract doesn’t look like sensible business to me.
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Yoro is a top prospect, we have seen it with him. Now if he stays for more than 5 years, that £60m won't look so bad. However we did it when we also needed something different upfront and in midfield. Ugarte looks like an error and people did point out his flaws on the ball so that's on Ineos.
 
Morpheus 7 said:
Less talk Omar and more action. I want to see players out the door, more movement with players in. We have a tonne of work to do, lucky to finish 15th. At the end of the window say something, not empty promises and predictions about 2028 in June. Everyone at the club will get it by Christmas if we aren't in a better place, better football and results are required.

I don't want to hear about these players either, then half of them survive again another season. The up to 12 players could leave narrative has disappeared hasn't it? Only ones that left, have been out of contract players. We really need to see an exodus now of this squad, control the loser mentality and get rid of as many as you can. Nowhere to hide for Ineos, Glazers, players and manager now. We need to see massive change on the pitch.
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Let’s relax and watch. We are told and have been told the squad will be better or ‘much better’ after the transfer window. We know it’s also going to take a few summers.

We rightly will judge but we know that it has to be the right transfers at the right price and importantly with the right wages. We absolutely cannot overpay for players, put them on ridiculous wages and then if they flop we’ll be stuck in this situation AGAIN.

We can’t sell Sancho, Casimeiro or Rashford or even Hojilund for that very reason.

As fans we want players now but if we got them we’d be paying high fees/ high wages. We could have Gyorkeres tomorrow if we were daft enough to make him and Sporting a ridiculous offer. I like him BTW.
 
AneRu said:
Yoro is a top prospect, we have seen it with him. Now if he stays for more than 5 years, that £60m won't look so bad. However we did it when we also needed something different upfront and in midfield. Ugarte looks like an error and people did point out his flaws on the ball so that's on Ineos.
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Not every signing will be a success though. The real test will be to see if they are able to move on the likes of Ugarte if they don’t kick on rather than waiting for their contracts to end with us.
 
Escobar said:
Just clean the dressing room and create a determined professional attitude
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Which ones need to be exiled from the team that just finished 15th outside of the obvious i.e Rashford, Sancho etc who barely featured last year to create the "determined professional attitude" don't think it's a attitude problem with most of them, more so a ability issue.
 
Frank White said:
Which ones need to be exiled from the team that just finished 15th outside of the obvious i.e Rashford, Sancho etc who barely featured last year to create the "determined professional attitude" don't think it's a attitude problem with most of them, more so a ability issue.
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Largely mentality and attitude, as the team is better than 15th on paper.
 
Anytime Amorim is in a spot of bother - usually after yet another defeat - there are pictures emerging from certain journalists showing Txiki and Berrada in discussions over a cup of Latte. Therefore Omar also must be the top footballing head.
 
Escobar said:
Largely mentality and attitude, as the team is better than 15th on paper.
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Don't see how having a better attitude makes Hojlund be able to control a ball or Onana save a shot. Would argue that this team might be the worse team we've had post Fergie for technical and physical ability.
 
I think his claims about winning the League in 2028 are laughable and show he doesnt have a full and proper understanding of the situation the club is in at the moment, I also wonder how this club which is meant to be one of the 3 biggest clubs in the world managed to appoint a CEO who has never held a CEO position or similar before and was only a finance officer at the last club he worked for.
 
Should have kept Arnold, who by all account is a decent guy and a great CEO. This one right here is a talker, and nothing we've done on the executive side this season has been impressive even as we have struggled on the pitch.

I guess time will tell. Not gonna hold my breath.
 
I mean, 3 years is a long time in football, long enough for a dynasty to crumble or to rise.
Steady the ship, return to CL then who knows.

I wouldn't call it laughable, it is at least where we should be aiming to be.
It has to be an upward projectory from here, hard not to be, so let's not settle for winning a top 4 trophy in 3 years time.

I will be happy if we are properly in the mix by then, and by that, I mean not 10+ points off the top by Christmas!
 
BarryWinks said:
Should have kept Arnold, who by all account is a decent guy and a great CEO. This one right here is a talker, and nothing we've done on the executive side this season has been impressive even as we have struggled on the pitch.

I guess time will tell. Not gonna hold my breath.
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Arnold was an unmitigated disaster during his short stint as CEO
 
BarryWinks said:
Should have kept Arnold, who by all account is a decent guy and a great CEO. This one right here is a talker, and nothing we've done on the executive side this season has been impressive even as we have struggled on the pitch.

I guess time will tell. Not gonna hold my breath.
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Saying Richard Arnold is better than Omar Berrada is certainly a take.

That's not to say Berrada has been amazing, but what exactly did Arnold do to show he was fit for the role? Did he not in fact do a fair bit to show he absolutely wasn't fit for the role?

It's early days for Berrada but his CV is impressive, and he at least seems to know what he is talking about football-wise.

Arnold seemed like a decent enough fella but his hands off management style (which was also Murtough's approach) further worsened our overall squad situation - letting another manager take full control of our budget and playing style.
 
I wish we'd stop making stupid statements like this tbf. Saying "we'll win the title by 2028" just puts another level pressure on everyone. Actions speak louder than words.

Let's see them put short, medium and long term plans into place.

How do we get back into Europe? Short term.
How do we challenge for the title? Medium term.
How do we maintain that challenge and have sustained success for a longer period even if the manager changes (city 2011-2014, Chelsea post Mourinho, Liverpool post Klopp).
 
Can someone explain me what is difference between this regime and Woodward? Arnold and Murtough were ultimate disaster but i don't see many differences compared to Ed.

Except Chido and Heaven all transfers are more or less like Ed's. Proven players in their prime.
Cunha, De Ligt, Mbuemo and Ugarte are same type of transfers like Di Maria, Pogba, Shaw, Mikhi, Herrera and Lukaku were. Lets not rewrite history here; all fans were over the moon when Ed bought most of his players.
Also; still early to judge them in that but so far outgoing transfers are also in Ed's level.
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
I wish we'd stop making stupid statements like this tbf. Saying "we'll win the title by 2028" just puts another level pressure on everyone. Actions speak louder than words.

Let's see them put short, medium and long term plans into place.

How do we get back into Europe? Short term.
How do we challenge for the title? Medium term.
How do we maintain that challenge and have sustained success for a longer period even if the manager changes (city 2011-2014, Chelsea post Mourinho, Liverpool post Klopp).
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To be fair, he never said we'll win by 2028. He said it's an ambitious goal that we'll try to achieve.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Can someone explain me what is difference between this regime and Woodward? Arnold and Murtough were ultimate disaster but i don't see many differences compared to Ed.

Except Chido and Heaven all transfers are more or less like Ed's. Proven players in their prime.
Cunha, De Ligt, Mbuemo and Ugarte are same type of transfers like Di Maria, Pogba, Shaw, Mikhi, Herrera and Lukaku were. Lets not rewrite history here; all fans were over the moon when Ed bought most of his players.
Also; still early to judge them in that but so far outgoing transfers are also in Ed's level.
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I think the new regime has made mistakes but nothing as bad as Woodward. Pogba fee was insane and not what we needed, DI Maria didnt want to come. What about Sanchez? The list of disasters was huge and the fees plus wages so far above market. Of your list only Shaw really was a success and that was before his horrendous injury. I agree De Light and Ugarte are underwhelming, as was Zirkzee. Too early to call Cunha and Mbuemo either way yet.
 
Gordon'sHill said:
I think the new regime has made mistakes but nothing as bad as Woodward. Pogba fee was insane and not what we needed, DI Maria didnt want to come. What about Sanchez? The list of disasters was huge and the fees plus wages so far above market. Of your list only Shaw really was a success and that was before his horrendous injury. I agree De Light and Ugarte are underwhelming, as was Zirkzee. Too early to call Cunha and Mbuemo either way yet.
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The other major issue with Woodward etc al were the brainless contracts handed out. That's what's really screwed us over.
At least that's something the new regime are trying to reign in, whether or not their transfer business is good remains to be seen
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Can someone explain me what is difference between this regime and Woodward? Arnold and Murtough were ultimate disaster but i don't see many differences compared to Ed.

Except Chido and Heaven all transfers are more or less like Ed's. Proven players in their prime.
Cunha, De Ligt, Mbuemo and Ugarte are same type of transfers like Di Maria, Pogba, Shaw, Mikhi, Herrera and Lukaku were. Lets not rewrite history here; all fans were over the moon when Ed bought most of his players.
Also; still early to judge them in that but so far outgoing transfers are also in Ed's level.
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But you only bring up Di Maria, Pogba etc... and not talk about their contracts?

Also.. what about Falcao, Maguire, AWB, and players who were on contracts they should never be on.
 
romufc said:
But you only bring up Di Maria, Pogba etc... and not talk about their contracts?

Also.. what about Falcao, Maguire, AWB, and players who were on contracts they should never be on.
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Bloody hell, i am not defending Ed here. His reign as CEO/Dof was not good. But i am just saying that Ineos guys ("best in the business") are not doing some amazing and innovative job so far.

Mind you, regarding wages; Ed's major flaw which cost us the most were contract extensions. But initial contracts were not crazy as people think today.
Matic was signed on 120k contract, prime Lukaku was signed on 180k, Mata on 160, Herrera 130k....
Of course that ADM and Pogba got premium contracts. Because back then they were premium players.
 
I am more confident with Ineos making the decisions. We have revised our transfer strategy to incorporate proven EPL talents, aiming to enhance the current squad and secure signings of young, talented players like Heaven, Obi, Leon, and a young player from Southampton. I think we will sign 3-4 youngsters each year, and those with the most potential will be moving into the first team. For those who are not progressing, they will be sold for profit. 2028 is a realistic target for having a competitive squad; winning will depend on our luck and how other teams have progressed. I am hopeful for the future.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Can someone explain me what is difference between this regime and Woodward? Arnold and Murtough were ultimate disaster but i don't see many differences compared to Ed.

Except Chido and Heaven all transfers are more or less like Ed's. Proven players in their prime.
Cunha, De Ligt, Mbuemo and Ugarte are same type of transfers like Di Maria, Pogba, Shaw, Mikhi, Herrera and Lukaku were. Lets not rewrite history here; all fans were over the moon when Ed bought most of his players.
Also; still early to judge them in that but so far outgoing transfers are also in Ed's level.
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For starters, we aren't overpaying salary and transfer fees ?

Ed would have signed Osimhen by now.

Sancho would have got a new contract by now ?

If you are expecting lot.of changes in the very first summer window, then I rest my case.
 
bond19821982 said:
For starters, we aren't overpaying salary and transfer fees ?

Ed would have signed Osimhen by now.

Sancho would have got a new contract by now ?

If you are expecting lot.of changes in the very first summer window, then I rest my case.
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Oh, dear, the horror of actually signing a world class goalscorer for a change. How terrible.
 
bond19821982 said:
For starters, we aren't overpaying salary and transfer fees ?

Ed would have signed Osimhen by now.

Sancho would have got a new contract by now ?

If you are expecting lot.of changes in the very first summer window, then I rest my case.
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We don't? Cunha and Mbuemo are both 60 mil and Cunha got 200k wage. De Ligt is on 200k. Mbuemo will be close to that too. Unproven full back from Lecce was paid 30 mil.
I am not against any of these transfers but lets be real; Ineos transfers are more or less the same as Woodwards.

And for bolded part; signing best available striker on the market is bad thing these days?
 
Andycoleno9 said:
We don't? Cunha and Mbuemo are both 60 mil and Cunha got 200k wage. De Ligt is on 200k. Mbuemo will be close to that too. Unproven full back from Lecce was paid 30 mil.
I am not against any of these transfers but lets be real; Ineos transfers are more or less the same as Woodwards.

And for bolded part; signing best available striker on the market is bad thing these days?
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Now you’re just making up stuff. It’s already been reported both Cunha and Mbeumo are going to be on £150k.
 
We don't even know if we have a manager that can win two PL games in a row yet, nevermind the title.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
Now you’re just making up stuff. It’s already been reported both Cunha and Mbeumo are going to be on £150k.
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Really? I read that Cunha is on 200k.

So, just to know for future, Capology is BS site?
 
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Andycoleno9 said:
We don't? Cunha and Mbuemo are both 60 mil and Cunha got 200k wage. De Ligt is on 200k. Mbuemo will be close to that too. Unproven full back from Lecce was paid 30 mil.
I am not against any of these transfers but lets be real; Ineos transfers are more or less the same as Woodwards.

And for bolded part; signing best available striker on the market is bad thing these days?
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You conveniently ignored the cost associated with Osimhen ?

Also exaggerating the wages of Cunha and Mbeumo.
 
This is the season you can judge Ineos and to a lesser extent Amorim. Ineos have their own manager and backing him as best they can. Amorim will have his pre season, transfers and plenty time to train between games.
You will have a better perspective this time next year
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Bloody hell, i am not defending Ed here. His reign as CEO/Dof was not good. But i am just saying that Ineos guys ("best in the business") are not doing some amazing and innovative job so far.

Mind you, regarding wages; Ed's major flaw which cost us the most were contract extensions. But initial contracts were not crazy as people think today.
Matic was signed on 120k contract, prime Lukaku was signed on 180k, Mata on 160, Herrera 130k....
Of course that ADM and Pogba got premium contracts. Because back then they were premium players.
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You can’t compare contracts from years ago to today. None of those if signed today would be another 70k dearer easily
 
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