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yeah, this was another reason why I stuck to my decision to withdraw. 4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2 with a withdrawn striker with 90% the same personnel is practically just a phase of the game rather than different formation altogether.
I agree with your team being a fair one, but this post seems like you're just trying to make a case for yourself without actually considering the tactical differences. I made 4 changes to the side that started the previous game so firstly it's not 90% the same personnel.

How is Atletico's low block 4-4-2 in anyway similar to 4-2-3-1 medium block? In the defensive phase, Atletico's setup concedes the flanks and the entire team clusters together more in the center of the pitch with a deeper press - as such the wide players are basically operating as AMs or even CMs (although I didn't take it that far). The 4-2-3-1 does not concede the flanks at all and actually operates with wide players defending the way traditional wingers would do. Zico plays as an AM for most part in the 4-2-3-1 setup, not a withdrawn striker - you may argue that it isn't his best position but that's a debate for the match thread.

The way the two setups function in the attacking phase is vastly different as 4-2-3-1 shifts to 3-2-5 (see Man Utd under Ole with Matic as the DM for example) or 3-3-4 in my case since Azpi had some custom defensive orders. Atletico does no such thing and does not operate on the basis that they will have loads of possession to approach the attacking phase of a game this way.

As such, I'd say the tactical setups and formations are totally different. The fact that the players are able to play in both setups is a credit to their versatility.
 

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@Himannv didn't want to put your effort down mate, there was a lot more in that convo compared to just one example.

Either way water under the bridge and all that, and you have a great team that should do well in the next rounds and most probably develop even further.
 

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3. himannv 1) A. Nesta 2) R. Baggio 3) K. De Bruyne 4) C. Gentile 5) D. Godin 6) M. Owen 7) R. Bonhof 8) R. Lambert 9) C. Azpilicueta 10) J. Oblak 11) J. Heynckes 12) J. Kohler 13) Eusebio 14) D. Alves 15) P. Vieira 16) J. da Costa 17) J. Johnstone 18) S. McTominay 19) Zico

5. EAP 1) M. Desailly 2) E. Davids 3) D. Alves 4) P. Evra 5) D. Bergkamp 6) O. Hargreaves 7) R. Carvalho 8) J. Lingard 9) E. Hazard 10) Van der Sar 11) Drogba 12) D. Edwards 13) M. Kempes 14) G. Cohen 15) J. Terry 16) Thiago A. 17) P. Littbarski 18) J. Mata 19) M. Platini

9. Harms 1) D. Law 2) Gerson 3) M. Essien 4) A. Shesternyov 5) J. Johnstone 6) S. McManaman 7) P. Jennings 8) M. Rashford 9) J. Greig 10) N. Stiles 11) I. Chislenko 12) B. Moore 13) Ze Roberto 14) P. Reaney 15) B. Murdoch 16) A. Shevchenko 17) P. McGrath 18) B. Fernandes 19) Cafu

11. P-nut 1) R. Keane 2) D. Beckham 3) Z. Ibrahimovic 4) W. Rooney 5) D. Irwin 6) P. Ince 7) T. Adams 8) T-A. Arnold 9) G. Bale 10) D. Seaman 11) S. Pearce 12) B. Robson 13) F. De Boer 14) Andy Cole 15) L. King 16) A. Recoba 17) E. Butragueno 18) P. Pogba 19) T. Finney

Block List

G.Muller, Pele, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Di Stefano, Puskas, Garrincha, Xavi, Messi, Cruyff, Scholes, Vidic, Suarez, Stam, Kane, Henderson, Dier, Delph, Shearer, Cantona, Bremner, Aguero, Overmars, Ginola, Matic, Cavani
 

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You can only pick a player with the name Gary and that player will MUST play in the SF game.
Like every "must play" round this will be done in sheep format. You have 24 hours to send your pick.​
 

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3. himannv 1) A. Nesta 2) R. Baggio 3) K. De Bruyne 4) C. Gentile 5) D. Godin 6) M. Owen 7) R. Bonhof 8) R. Lambert 9) C. Azpilicueta 10) J. Oblak 11) J. Heynckes 12) J. Kohler 13) Eusebio 14) D. Alves 15) P. Vieira 16) J. da Costa 17) J. Johnstone 18) S. McTominay 19) Zico 20) G. Pallister

5. EAP 1) M. Desailly 2) E. Davids 3) D. Alves 4) P. Evra 5) D. Bergkamp 6) O. Hargreaves 7) R. Carvalho 8) J. Lingard 9) E. Hazard 10) Van der Sar 11) Drogba 12) D. Edwards 13) M. Kempes 14) G. Cohen 15) J. Terry 16) Thiago A. 17) P. Littbarski 18) J. Mata 19) M. Platini 20) G. Bailey

9. Harms 1) D. Law 2) Gerson 3) M. Essien 4) A. Shesternyov 5) J. Johnstone 6) S. McManaman 7) P. Jennings 8) M. Rashford 9) J. Greig 10) N. Stiles 11) I. Chislenko 12) B. Moore 13) Ze Roberto 14) P. Reaney 15) B. Murdoch 16) A. Shevchenko 17) P. McGrath 18) B. Fernandes 19) Cafu 20) G. Medel

11. P-nut 1) R. Keane 2) D. Beckham 3) Z. Ibrahimovic 4) W. Rooney 5) D. Irwin 6) P. Ince 7) T. Adams 8) T-A. Arnold 9) G. Bale 10) D. Seaman 11) S. Pearce 12) B. Robson 13) F. De Boer 14) Andy Cole 15) L. King 16) A. Recoba 17) E. Butragueno 18) P. Pogba 19) T. Finney 20) G. Speed

Block List

G.Muller, Pele, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Di Stefano, Puskas, Garrincha, Xavi, Messi, Cruyff, Scholes, Vidic, Suarez, Stam, Kane, Henderson, Dier, Delph, Shearer, Cantona, Bremner, Aguero, Overmars, Ginola, Matic, Cavani
 

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3. himannv 1) A. Nesta 2) R. Baggio 3) K. De Bruyne 4) C. Gentile 5) D. Godin 6) M. Owen 7) R. Bonhof 8) R. Lambert 9) C. Azpilicueta 10) J. Oblak 11) J. Heynckes 12) J. Kohler 13) Eusebio 14) D. Alves 15) P. Vieira 16) J. da Costa 17) J. Johnstone 18) S. McTominay 19) Zico 20) G. Pallister

5. EAP 1) M. Desailly 2) E. Davids 3) D. Alves 4) P. Evra 5) D. Bergkamp 6) O. Hargreaves 7) R. Carvalho 8) J. Lingard 9) E. Hazard 10) Van der Sar 11) Drogba 12) D. Edwards 13) M. Kempes 14) G. Cohen 15) J. Terry 16) Thiago A. 17) P. Littbarski 18) J. Mata 19) M. Platini 20) G. Bailey

9. Harms 1) D. Law 2) Gerson 3) M. Essien 4) A. Shesternyov 5) J. Johnstone 6) S. McManaman 7) P. Jennings 8) M. Rashford 9) J. Greig 10) N. Stiles 11) I. Chislenko 12) B. Moore 13) Ze Roberto 14) P. Reaney 15) B. Murdoch 16) A. Shevchenko 17) P. McGrath 18) B. Fernandes 19) Cafu 20) G. Medel

11. P-nut 1) R. Keane 2) D. Beckham 3) Z. Ibrahimovic 4) W. Rooney 5) D. Irwin 6) P. Ince 7) T. Adams 8) T-A. Arnold 9) G. Bale 10) D. Seaman 11) S. Pearce 12) B. Robson 13) F. De Boer 14) Andy Cole 15) L. King 16) A. Recoba 17) E. Butragueno 18) P. Pogba 19) T. Finney 20) G. Speed 21) M. Van Basten

Block List

G.Muller, Pele, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Di Stefano, Puskas, Garrincha, Xavi, Messi, Cruyff, Scholes, Vidic, Suarez, Stam, Kane, Henderson, Dier, Delph, Shearer, Cantona, Bremner, Aguero, Overmars, Ginola, Matic, Cavani
 

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I was hoping for an easier choice :(






3. himannv 1) A. Nesta 2) R. Baggio 3) K. De Bruyne 4) C. Gentile 5) D. Godin 6) M. Owen 7) R. Bonhof 8) R. Lambert 9) C. Azpilicueta 10) J. Oblak 11) J. Heynckes 12) J. Kohler 13) Eusebio 14) D. Alves 15) P. Vieira 16) J. da Costa 17) J. Johnstone 18) S. McTominay 19) Zico 20) G. Pallister

5. EAP 1) M. Desailly 2) E. Davids 3) D. Alves 4) P. Evra 5) D. Bergkamp 6) O. Hargreaves 7) R. Carvalho 8) J. Lingard 9) E. Hazard 10) Van der Sar 11) Drogba 12) D. Edwards 13) M. Kempes 14) G. Cohen 15) J. Terry 16) Thiago A. 17) P. Littbarski 18) J. Mata 19) M. Platini 20) G. Bailey

9. Harms 1) D. Law 2) Gerson 3) M. Essien 4) A. Shesternyov 5) J. Johnstone 6) S. McManaman 7) P. Jennings 8) M. Rashford 9) J. Greig 10) N. Stiles 11) I. Chislenko 12) B. Moore 13) Ze Roberto 14) P. Reaney 15) B. Murdoch 16) A. Shevchenko 17) P. McGrath 18) B. Fernandes 19) Cafu 20) G. Medel 21) M. Laudrup

11. P-nut 1) R. Keane 2) D. Beckham 3) Z. Ibrahimovic 4) W. Rooney 5) D. Irwin 6) P. Ince 7) T. Adams 8) T-A. Arnold 9) G. Bale 10) D. Seaman 11) S. Pearce 12) B. Robson 13) F. De Boer 14) Andy Cole 15) L. King 16) A. Recoba 17) E. Butragueno 18) P. Pogba 19) T. Finney 20) G. Speed 21) M. Van Basten

Block List

G.Muller, Pele, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Di Stefano, Puskas, Garrincha, Xavi, Messi, Cruyff, Scholes, Vidic, Suarez, Stam, Kane, Henderson, Dier, Delph, Shearer, Cantona, Bremner, Aguero, Overmars, Ginola, Matic, Cavani

@Edgar Allan Pillow
 

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I did think about Neeskens/Davids but I was looking for an LB and CB this round. Not that it'll all work out as injuries will probably feck things up anyway - but let's see.
 

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3. himannv 1) A. Nesta 2) R. Baggio 3) K. De Bruyne 4) C. Gentile 5) D. Godin 6) M. Owen 7) R. Bonhof 8) R. Lambert 9) C. Azpilicueta 10) J. Oblak 11) J. Heynckes 12) J. Kohler 13) Eusebio 14) D. Alves 15) P. Vieira 16) J. da Costa 17) J. Johnstone 18) S. McTominay 19) Zico 20) G. Pallister 21) R. Krol

5. EAP 1) M. Desailly 2) E. Davids 3) D. Alves 4) P. Evra 5) D. Bergkamp 6) O. Hargreaves 7) R. Carvalho 8) J. Lingard 9) E. Hazard 10) Van der Sar 11) Drogba 12) D. Edwards 13) M. Kempes 14) G. Cohen 15) J. Terry 16) Thiago A. 17) P. Littbarski 18) J. Mata 19) M. Platini 20) G. Bailey 21) F. Rijkaard

9. Harms 1) D. Law 2) Gerson 3) M. Essien 4) A. Shesternyov 5) J. Johnstone 6) S. McManaman 7) P. Jennings 8) M. Rashford 9) J. Greig 10) N. Stiles 11) I. Chislenko 12) B. Moore 13) Ze Roberto 14) P. Reaney 15) B. Murdoch 16) A. Shevchenko 17) P. McGrath 18) B. Fernandes 19) Cafu 20) G. Medel 21) M. Laudrup

11. P-nut 1) R. Keane 2) D. Beckham 3) Z. Ibrahimovic 4) W. Rooney 5) D. Irwin 6) P. Ince 7) T. Adams 8) T-A. Arnold 9) G. Bale 10) D. Seaman 11) S. Pearce 12) B. Robson 13) F. De Boer 14) Andy Cole 15) L. King 16) A. Recoba 17) E. Butragueno 18) P. Pogba 19) T. Finney 20) G. Speed 21) M. Van Basten

Block List

G.Muller, Pele, Beckenbauer, Maradona, Matthaus, Ronaldo, Cristiano, Di Stefano, Puskas, Garrincha, Xavi, Messi, Cruyff, Scholes, Vidic, Suarez, Stam, Kane, Henderson, Dier, Delph, Shearer, Cantona, Bremner, Aguero, Overmars, Ginola, Matic, Cavani