Our Defence - Has it actually been fixed?

The Bloody-Nine

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Why? At least half of the Caf knew he was an overhyped Defender. We should have spent 80 mil on a CM and right winger.

Instead we spent a record fee on a player whos harly better than Smalling.
I expected more from him. I wasn't expecting him to look so vulnerable.
 

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I don't think it's a coincidence that it has fallen of a cliff the minute our only midfielder with any defensive awareness got injured. A midfield of Pereira and Fred is completely useless positionally, you're always going to concede with an underbelly that soft.
 

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A defence needs the whole team to be playing better. Another reason why you build from the front. Just get the team scoring enough goals, then sure up, because there's no suring up if the team is trying to attack but crap at it.
 

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I don't think it's a coincidence that it has fallen of a cliff the minute our only midfielder with any defensive awareness got injured. A midfield of Pereira and Fred is completely useless positionally, you're always going to concede with an underbelly that soft.
This. Williams had a bad game today, but the real problem is midfield. The amount of times Villa got to run unchallenged at our defense today was just insane.
 

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I don't think it's a coincidence that it has fallen of a cliff the minute our only midfielder with any defensive awareness got injured. A midfield of Pereira and Fred is completely useless positionally, you're always going to concede with an underbelly that soft.
If you can see it, it's a pity our manager can't.
 

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Gonna keep banging the drum that the defence will never be sorted until the midfield can offer some sort of solidity and real opposition. If you beat our press, it’s way too easy to progress down the field again us. Been saying it for years and said the same when signing Maguire and AWB.
 

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If you can see it, it's a pity our manager can't.
I'm sure we will put Tuanzebe in midfield against Spurs and City. If we don't, we are doomed. Also we need to sign a defensive midfielder in January urgently.
 

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Smalling or Tuanzebe. We don't need a new LB. We have Shaw and Williams.
Totay with Fred-Pereira-Mata we were playing without a midfield. We only have Pogba (until the summer) and McTominay. Unless we plan to give Garner a chance we have to buy there.
Oh Shaw and Williams? One who never plays and one who's just played a few matches, suddenly he's better then most players? Ok.......
 

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Oh Shaw and Williams? One who never plays and one who's just played a few matches, suddenly he's better then most players? Ok.......
I agree they're not great but we should only invest there once we sort our abomination of a midfield. We could do both but Glazers won't pay for it so prioritirs first.
 

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Every good defence needs a stable midfield in front of them, and we have anything but.

Look at the top three teams, they have great holding midfielders that are fantastic at sniffing out danger.
 

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Looks like that right winger has to be delayed for another year in favour of 2 more CBs :lol:
 

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This is what we are with Ole tbh. Play pretty much even with 2 newly promoted sides back to back games. Itll be different with Pogba and McTominay, but 2 injuries shouldn't bring us down to relegation standard and not even being able to outplay newly promoted sides.
 

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it's disingenuous and slightly a form of denial to blame some of our defending on the midfield.

Fred actually bailed our defence out a few times today. Our midfield doesn't help at times and would be problematic even if the defenders were faultless.

The problem with trying to palm this off as the route of the problem is that some of the actual defending and play out from our defence, is absolutely embarrassing.

For example you cannot use the midfield to legislate for why Maguire stops playing and concedes a goal in order to claim a non existent handball...and then a week later instead of learning, tries to pull the same trick again. You can't put it at the midfield's feet when Jones gets bundled off the ball by someone breathing on him.

You can't put it in the midfield when Maguire and Lindelof consistently can't defend set piece or defend simple balls into our box. These are things they would have to do regardless of how good or bad our midfield is.

Our midfield is not up to scratch but our actual defending is also worse than it was even last season. It is amateur at best.

You cannot at the moment make a convincing argument that our 80m centreback is any better than what we already had (which was bad enough to convince us to spend 80m on a centreback. You can make a convincing argument that Leicester's defence has actually improved by selling Maguire. First and foremost he has to step up massively.
 

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Just seen the Villa disallowed goal on replay back home. We were millimetres from conceding twice today from our players stopping and failing to play to the whistle.

That’s not the fault of a lack of midfielders. That’s leadership.
 

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There's no way anyone can argue that Fred has actually "bailed out" our defence today. He has never been particularly good with his positioning but he was virtually non existent today. The amount of times Villa just waltzed through our midfield was infuriating.

It's not that any of our defenders had an incredible performance today, but you can only do so much if you have literally no protection in front of you.

As cliche as it is, defending actually starts from the front. You can throw in as many superb defenders as you'd like, if you're not defending as a unit, you are going to concede chances. And you can't defend as a unit if your midfield is made up of two players that have no idea where they should be at any given moment.
 

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it's disingenuous and slightly a form of denial to blame some of our defending on the midfield.

Fred actually bailed our defence out a few times today. Our midfield doesn't help at times and would be problematic even if the defenders were faultless.

The problem with trying to palm this off as the route of the problem is that some of the actual defending and play out from our defence, is absolutely embarrassing.

For example you cannot use the midfield to legislate for why Maguire stops playing and concedes a goal in order to claim a non existent handball...and then a week later instead of learning, tries to pull the same trick again. You can't put it at the midfield's feet when Jones gets bundled off the ball by someone breathing on him.

You can't put it in the midfield when Maguire and Lindelof consistently can't defend set piece or defend simple balls into our box. These are things they would have to do regardless of how good or bad our midfield is.

Our midfield is not up to scratch but our actual defending is also worse than it was even last season. It is amateur at best.

You cannot at the moment make a convincing argument that our 80m centreback is any better than what we already had (which was bad enough to convince us to spend 80m on a centreback. You can make a convincing argument that Leicester's defence has actually improved by selling Maguire. First and foremost he has to step up massively.
Even though the Midfield is one of the weakest United have ever had, the whole team as a unit is malfunctioning if the team is not playing as a unit then results like today and last Sunday will keep on happening. The coaching staff by now should know the strengths and weaknesses of each player, and should by now be coaching the team to play to the best of their ability, but they seem unable to do that. Man Utd, one of the biggest clubs in the world being dominated in most parts, by promoted teams in consecutive games.......something is very wrong.
 

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Our defence is appalling.

They routinely give away silly chances and do dumb shit pretty much every game.
 

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We will need to splash more cash again on a CB and a LB to replace Lindelof and Shaw /Williams, while having a 80m defender who isn't performing to the standard. That's all you need to know about our mythically improved defense.
 

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Two clean sheets in fourteen Premier League games.

Solskjaer cannot organise a defence.
 

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The equaliser was down to inexperience from Williams, which is going to happen when a young lad is learning his trade. The real issue is the constant turnover of possession on the halfway line by either lack of movement or Pereira's shite touch. We know Maguire and Lindelof aren't exceedingly fast, so when theyre getting run directly at, we know there's a solid chance we'll concede a good chance for our opponents.

Not only that, there were other points where lindelof and Maguire trying to pass out, people are just expecting them to hoofing it and they just ended up forcing some dumb pass. You could see they were throwing their arms up in the air at points, they have to sort that out somehow.
 

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it's disingenuous and slightly a form of denial to blame some of our defending on the midfield.

Fred actually bailed our defence out a few times today. Our midfield doesn't help at times and would be problematic even if the defenders were faultless.

The problem with trying to palm this off as the route of the problem is that some of the actual defending and play out from our defence, is absolutely embarrassing.

For example you cannot use the midfield to legislate for why Maguire stops playing and concedes a goal in order to claim a non existent handball...and then a week later instead of learning, tries to pull the same trick again. You can't put it at the midfield's feet when Jones gets bundled off the ball by someone breathing on him.

You can't put it in the midfield when Maguire and Lindelof consistently can't defend set piece or defend simple balls into our box. These are things they would have to do regardless of how good or bad our midfield is.

Our midfield is not up to scratch but our actual defending is also worse than it was even last season. It is amateur at best.

You cannot at the moment make a convincing argument that our 80m centreback is any better than what we already had (which was bad enough to convince us to spend 80m on a centreback. You can make a convincing argument that Leicester's defence has actually improved by selling Maguire. First and foremost he has to step up massively.
He isn’t capable
 

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No, we still need a left back and a DM to shield properly
And get Smalling back...he is a better defender than what we have. With OWB, a proper DM and left back, we would have never needed to “fix” our defense with the £80m man.
 

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Defence isn't on 4 deffenders and a GK.. It's a teams effort, specially with current setup when we miss Mctom & Pogba together, it's withouth a midfield.
 

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Even though the Midfield is one of the weakest United have ever had, the whole team as a unit is malfunctioning if the team is not playing as a unit then results like today and last Sunday will keep on happening. The coaching staff by now should know the strengths and weaknesses of each player, and should by now be coaching the team to play to the best of their ability, but they seem unable to do that. Man Utd, one of the biggest clubs in the world being dominated in most parts, by promoted teams in consecutive games.......something is very wrong.
Wouldn't say Villa dominated today but the problem is we are so easy to score against. You don't need to dominate, just get the ball up the pitch a few times and we'll heap the pressure on ourselves by failing to deal with it.

I mean I get that we'reshort in midfield, but you get what you expect there. A lack of control in the middle third and at best a fighting attempt to get into the game. When Mctominay has played we've actually even managed to do better than this in some games.

The defence though. We've spent over £100m on it in the summer. We already had over £100m worth pf defensive signings here before that. We have more than enough players there of a level of ability to expect consistent, competent performances. Yet it is nearly always the worst performing part of our team.

Whenever our defence has been put under pressure, it has almost immediately crumbled.

I don't like to pick on new players but Maguire in particular needs to sort his shit out. He needs to can the needless prancing around on the ball, standing still with the ball, fancy but pointless balls out to the left, etc. and actually concentrate on his defending, because it simply isn't very good. He is not organising or dealing with situations. His strength in the air is nullified by his inability to mark players or position himself effectively or read the game. He is obviously capable of better.
 

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Our defence is better, but its far from perfect either.

The issue is, we don't attack as a team, we don't defend as a team.

We treat every area of the pitch as a separate entity, which will always lead to problems. A bit concern for me, is our players aren't tactically aware enough to work a game plan through 90 minutes, individual errors are massive in our squad.

I feel for the coaches to some degree, because they are instructing the team to work a certain way and lapses of concentration let us down constantly. We always seem to be last ditch defending which isn't sustainable long term. Look at how we "dealt" with grealish - we simply jus thought "might as well foul him" - just highlights players aren't up for winning they're duals or being aware enough to mark him tighter or double up on him. The best players would be aware of this and act accordingly. Our players just look absolutely lost when challenged or when faced with making in-game decisions.

Maguire looks ok, but when exposed he looks as shaky as anything we currently have. He's got a lot more to give that's for sure.

LB is still a massive issue - Shaw is again going to have to prove himself when fit. Young is done at this level and Williams is young but half decent, but far from what we need.

Its been noted Midfield is the cause of the defences frailties - it's certainly not helping but signing a DM wont make Maguire or Lindelöf better players - they're capable of playing better all on they're own. Vidic was always capable of winning his duels, as was Ferdinand, Johnson, Bruce, Pallister....you get my point. Don't rely on other players to make your job easier - win your own duals and account for your own performance levels.

So are we better? Maybe, but we leak goals so we need to do better.

We are still in transition - a lot of players need to be sold and new coming in.

I think we should highlight a new LB and look for more depth in midfield.

The biggest concern for me with our defence has been Lindelöf. Hasn't looked upto it this season
 

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Our defence is not great, but its least of our biggest issues.

Maguire is good in the air and decent in bringing the ball forward, but he is slow as feck and shaky sometimes. We've overpaid massively for him. Funny Leicester defence and league position has improved after selling him to us. Still our most reliable CB though. 7/10

Lindelof is ok only, but he is a joke in the air, and rather soft. I'd rather have Smalling back. 6/10

Shaw is always injured 6/10

Williams is still too raw and not reliable defensively. Good support when attack though. Still believe in his potential. 6/10

AWB is the best defender we've got, one of the best tackler in the league, but as wing back he is not good enough when going forward. 8/10
 
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