Our fitness regime and injuries

[The Firestarter]

Are we just shit at conducting our trainings or we always happen to have players with glass legs?

It seems that the science behind individually tailored trainings that minimize potential of injuries has really progressed in the later years, and we've been left behind.

How is it so that a club like Liverpool that plays high intensity football almost never has more than one important player injured at a time , while our lot, on the other hand, is hit with several big injury crises every season?

 

[Amerifan]

I think in certain areas we lag behind the best. Scouting, contract negotiation, and fitness/medical are three places where we need significant improvement. Hopefully the club agrees and is investing in these functions.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This has been going on for donkey's years. Whatever it is they have not put it right.

 

[gerdm07]

I think the problem is lack of depth in the squad. When you are forced to start players match after match you get injuries. The next likely injury will be to either Fred, Lindelof, Rashford or Maguire. Each has played too many minutes.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Overall addressing any issue inside the club looks like impossible matter.

Fix one thing while three other things get broken... at this rate we'll have decent squad in 2030 when Rashford will have kids and Lingard still young and learning.

 

[Van Piorsing]

I think the problem is lack of depth in the squad. When you are forced to start players match after match you get injuries. The next likely injury will be to either Fred, Lindelof, Rashford or Maguire. Each has played too many minutes.

I look at Lindelof & Maguire playing too many minutes and I can't believe how we can have seven centre backs (Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo, Tuanzebe, Mag, Linde) and still be short of any proper options in case of injuries... yet it's somehow possible at Man United.

There's something wrong on most basic elementary level that shouldn't require specialists in football and club management to fix such a simple thing.

Sometimes I feel like the club was hijacked and things are done wrong on purpose.

 

[The Firestarter]

I think the problem is lack of depth in the squad. When you are forced to start players match after match you get injuries. The next likely injury will be to either Fred, Lindelof, Rashford or Maguire. Each has played too many minutes.

Again that's not the case, look at Liverpool. While they do some rotation, the amount of games VVD , TAA, Mane, Firmino, Salah are playing together is large.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Been saying that for years now. Something stinks in there.

 

[hungrywing]

I look at Lindelof & Maguire playing too many minutes and I can't believe how we can have seven centre backs (Jones, Smalling, Bailly, Rojo, Tuanzebe, Mag, Linde) and still be short of any proper options in case of injuries... yet it's somehow possible at Man United.

There's something wrong on most basic elementary level that shouldn't require specialists in football and club management to fix such a simple thing.

Sometimes I feel like the club was hijacked and things are done wrong on purpose.

Is this that half-joking conspiracy theory that Judge and Arnold and Woodward's father are proven Liverpool fans?

 

[Big Ben Foster]

We've had an apocalyptic injury crisis every season going back to at least 2006-07. At some point it stops being a coincidence.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Is this that half-joking conspiracy theory that Judge and Arnold and Woodward's father are proven Liverpool fans?

Don't know about that, but what I know is United should be way higher after spending astronomical amounts.

Also every time we almost sign a class player needed, then suddenly we are presented with news about refusing to spend, because various reasons and after that there comes another news we're about to spend a hefty sum on Maguire. Rarely things making sense in Man United and it's hard to believe someone can make so many of them in just 6 years.

I don't think it's a conspiracy but sometimes it looks like one - a total lack of control and making random decisions out of nowhere. I think it's really hard to drown a club like Man United in such disarray, but somehow it happens. Which club have seven centre backs and refusing to make a clearout in that formation after manager announcing some players won't be part of the team ? Things going against the simple logic, almost anyone could come up with solution by saying quality over quantity, but happens to be kamikaze defenders like Jones are being rewarded and Jesse Lingard is now being portrayed like a martyr with Ole clearly risking his job right now.

Conspiracy or not, this is bullshit and it needs to stop. How many millions we need to pay for someone to finally spot the tendency of our players getting constantly injured ? It's just one of many details to be honest.

 

[gerdm07]

Again that's not the case, look at Liverpool. While they do some rotation, the amount of games VVD , TAA, Mane, Firmino, Salah are playing together is large.

I've only watched a few Liverpool matches and I have seen Mane, Firmino and Salah either not start or get subbed at 65. VVD plays a lot of minutes but one could argue his playing time is not always stressful physically and emotionally because Liverpool either dominate so much and/or the score is pretty favorable. Our CDs never get an easy game it seems.

 

[Erebus]

Yep, like many others I simply don't understand why we perpetually have this problem. I seem to remember we had a clear out of the medical staff a few years ago (or did I just imagine it?), but it seems to have made no real difference. It appears that nothing we do prevents consistently high injury rates.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

We've had an apocalyptic injury crisis every season going back to at least 2006-07. At some point it stops being a coincidence.

Yeah this is probably the most mild season in ages. Second season with LVG was crazy and we had so many youngesters in that we never got to see again.

Although our squad is now so thin that two key injuries is a crisis for us.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Seen rumours we were after the head physio at Celtic but he turned us down supposedly.

 

[JPRouve]

I've only watched a few Liverpool matches and I have seen Mane, Firmino and Salah either not start or get subbed at 65. VVD plays a lot of minutes but one could argue his playing time is not always stressful physically and emotionally because Liverpool either dominate so much and/or the score is pretty favorable. Our CDs never get an easy game it seems.

Out of curiosity I had a look at these three players, they all played more minutes than Rashford who is the second player in our team in terms of game time. Maguire played less minutes than VVD. We have 2 players above 2000 minutes while Liverpool have 8.

 

[clarkydaz]

Seen rumours we were after the head physio at Celtic but he turned us down supposedly.

couldn't match his ambition

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Out of curiosity I had a look at these three players, they all played more minutes than Rashford who is the second player in our team in terms of game time. Maguire played less minutes than VVD. We have 2 players above 2000 minutes while Liverpool have 8.

You include Champions league and the cups then?

 

[JPRouve]

You include Champions league and the cups then?

Why wouldn't I? If we are talking about fitness then every minutes played counts.

 

[gerdm07]

Out of curiosity I had a look at these three players, they all played more minutes than Rashford who is the second player in our team in terms of game time. Maguire played less minutes than VVD. We have 2 players above 2000 minutes while Liverpool have 8.

I'm a little surprised and thanks for letting me know.

 

[Irwin99]

I've seen way worse injury crises at United, particularly in LVG's reign and in 2009-2010 season. It is an area we can improve on though.

 

[VeevaVee]

There's something to it. Whether it's the culture at United, where players know they can get away with it, or we've not kept up to speed with not-entirely-by-the-book goings on while others have capitalised on it, or something else, I don't know, but it's been going on for far too long.

 

[Pexbo]

There's something to it. Whether it's the culture at United, where players know they can get away with it, or we've not kept up to speed with not-entirely-by-the-book goings on while others have capitalised on it, or something else, I don't know, but it's been going on for far too long.

I wonder if it’s something as benign as the turf at carrington.

 

[Dve]

Hard to explain, really, cause there are all sorts of injuries (knee, tight, ankle, muscle). It´s worth noticing though, that right now United have 6 players out injured (included some that are already back in training). Newcastle are on the top with 11 players out, Liverpool and Bournemouth have 8, while Tottenham, Watford and Crystal Palace have 7.

So when the impression is that United have been struggling with injuries for a long time, how does this stand compared to other teams?

 

[iKeano]

The Shaw and McTominay injuries this year have blew my head off. Shaw went down against Palace, Maguire lifted him up (at which point either Shaw didn't know it was his hammy - any idiot that's ever ran anywhere know's their hammy - or told Maguire and he still lifted him), Shaw then limp/waddled to the sideline where the Utd medics checked him - again, either Shaw or Medic not knowing YOU CAN'T RUN OFF A HAMMY! Young started warming up, they sent a clearly less-mobile-than-usual Shaw back on to the pitch!? Shaw is out of position, Magurie goes left to cover for him and Palace score. Shaw is then out for 2+ months. Absolute shambles.
McTominay got a hard knock the other day, clear to everyone that he wasn't moving well. Olé lauds him for having a big heart and playing on 'til half time!? Idiots. McTominay out for 2+ months.
This has been going back years, I remember Valencia taking a knock in the first half under LVG, he struggled to half time, came back out after the break, limped for 5 mins and went off - out for 2+ months.
How are they so incompetent?
Then you just have the paper brigade of Bailly, Rojo, Jones, Dalot... you just take it that these jokers aren't ever availbale. Stealing a living along with the medics.

 

[iKeano]

The Shaw and McTominay injuries this year have blew my head off. Shaw went down against Palace, Maguire lifted him up (at which point either Shaw didn't know it was his hammy - any idiot that's ever ran anywhere know's their hammy - or told Maguire and he still lifted him), Shaw then limp/waddled to the sideline where the Utd medics checked him - again, either Shaw or Medic not knowing YOU CAN'T RUN OFF A HAMMY! Young started warming up, they sent a clearly less-mobile-than-usual Shaw back on to the pitch!? Shaw is out of position, Magurie goes left to cover for him and Palace score. Shaw is then out for 2+ months. Absolute shambles.
McTominay got a hard knock the other day, clear to everyone that he wasn't moving well. Olé lauds him for having a big heart and playing on 'til half time!? Idiots. McTominay out for 2+ months.
This has been going back years, I remember Valencia taking a knock in the first half under LVG, he struggled to half time, came back out after the break, limped for 5 mins and went off - out for 2+ months.
How are they so incompetent?
Then you just have the paper brigade of Bailly, Rojo, Jones, Dalot... you just take it that these jokers aren't ever availbale. Stealing a living along with the medics.

Add Maguire to this. Shambolic.
Olé, Carrick, Phelan, McKenna - what do they actually do? The don't train tactics, they don't make in-game management decisions, our set pieces are a disgrace, throw-ins might as well chuck it straight to the opposite team, haven't scored from a corner in forever and they don't even have the brains to take an injured player off? If a pub team player takes a knock they're taken off - these absolute clowns are completely culpable for the majority of the injuries at the moment.
Utter fools & answerable to no one.

 

[Meep]

Seems physio really need a person with authority to step in to give some well-needed advice.
This person should be responsible for:

• The checks on the status of players have to be better.
• The guidance on how to use the players from an injury risk perspective needs to improve in relation to training/game time.
• A daily rehab plan of the entire team needs to be set.
• An individual rehab/training plan for every player based on the player's characteristics.
• etc

 

[spiriticon]

We need a whole new physio backroom upgrade.

The current lot are a disgrace to professional sport and have been for at least 5 years.

 

[The Firestarter]

Soon we will have to field some girls from the W team.

 

[sunama]

Our team is underperforming from top to bottom.
It does not surprise me that we experience more injuries, yet LFC have players who get more game time.
Our CEO (or whatever he wants to call himself), the manager, the board, the contract negotiator (why do we pay so much in wages), the coaches (most of our players look like they receive no coaching), the sports doctors (how do we end up with players getting over-weight), the physios (players who get regularly injured), scouts (when was the last time we unearthed a hidden gem), the players - every single one of them is under performing.
Not one of them would come out and say that they've done a fantastic job.

To solve this, we'll need new owners who will be absolutely ruthless and fire anyone who they do not deem to be the best at their job. It'll be an absolute blood bath when that happens and I believe as much as 90% of key personnel will be replaced.
If it is the Saudis, they will demand nothing but the best. If the CEO says that Ole is a good manager, they'll ask what is his ranking in the whole world. If the CEO says, "he is top 100", they'll suggest he be fired immediately. They'll ask for a top 5 manager, money no object.

 

[sunama]

We need a whole new physio backroom upgrade.

The current lot are a disgrace to professional sport and have been for at least 5 years.

Agreed 100%.
But then we also need a new CEO, manager, scouts, etc.

 

[Irwin99]

Anyone worried that our players are going to be knackered come March time (similar to last year)? I know Ole said he's worked extensively on the players fitness but with all the big games coming thick and fast we could suffer a burnout. Having said that we did look a bit fitter than City in the second half of the game-whether that was more to do with them easing off is another thing.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

How is it so that a club like Liverpool that plays high intensity football almost never has more than one important player injured at a time , while our lot, on the other hand, is hit with several big injury crises every season?

Doping.

 

[croadyman]

Just been listening to Stretford End podcast and they were discussing injuries. They brought up the fact that the three main players out injured now all stayed on the pitch when should have gone straight off.

 

[Andersonson]

Last season we had over 60 injuries. By far the most in the prem. 19 more than Tottenham who had the 2nd worst injury record.

This isnt an Ole, Carrick problem as some of the posters here are claiming.. The injuries has actually gone down after Ole took over.

So how do you explain that?


We have Shaw, Rojo, Pogba, Martial, Jones and Bailly. OGS didnt buy any of theese players, but they make up over 80% of our injuries.

I guess OGS is clueless, Carrick doesnt do shit is the answer, but maybe we have a squad full of injury-plagued players?

 

[Tarrou]

the lack of squad depth is going to make things even worse

look at how much we're using Fred now, it's ridiculous

 

[Bobcat]

Add Maguire to this. Shambolic.
Olé, Carrick, Phelan, McKenna - what do they actually do? The don't train tactics, they don't make in-game management decisions, our set pieces are a disgrace, throw-ins might as well chuck it straight to the opposite team, haven't scored from a corner in forever and they don't even have the brains to take an injured player off? If a pub team player takes a knock they're taken off - these absolute clowns are completely culpable for the majority of the injuries at the moment.
Utter fools & answerable to no one.

If the players get injured during a match, they themselves and the medical staff make the call if they can keep playing. There were some rumors on here that Jose forced players to play through pain by giving them painkillers, but those were just rumors

Lack of depth and the insane winter program is the biggest culprit. Pretty much every foreign manager who has come into the PL has complained about the Christmas program and with good reason. Playing 4 matches in 8 or so days is insane

 

[iKeano]

If the players get injured during a match, they themselves and the medical staff make the call if they can keep playing. There were some rumors on here that Jose forced players to play through pain by giving them painkillers, but those were just rumors

Lack of depth and the insane winter program is the biggest culprit. Pretty much every foreign manager who has come into the PL has complained about the Christmas program and with good reason. Playing 4 matches in 8 or so days is insane

Keeping players on the pitch when they're clearly injured - that's insane.

 

[Revaulx]

Alongside all the injuries there’s also the issue that no other “big” club seems to have anything like the number of players that we do who have problems controlling their weight, or bulking up to the point where it destroys their ability to play.

Anderson
Rooney
Shaw
Memphis
Schweinsteiger
Lukaku

Is this because the sports scientists are hopeless, or simply an indication that the entire culture of the club is riddled with laziness and complacency?

I wonder if it’s something as benign as the turf at carrington.

Maybe it has exceptionally high calorific content and some of the players can’t resist eating it...

 

[iKeano]

Another ridiculous decision by the entire medical and coaching staff to allow Rashford to play lastnight.
Jesus wept. It's like Ferrari allowing a slow puncture tyre to be fitted during a pit stop. Pub teams have more cop on.
"Needed the win". If he'd been so conscious of a win, he'd have made better managerial decisions in the first game.
Clowns.