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Its been clear for while We must add a striker and another competitive right side attacker to our squad. This was the case even before Cr7 decided to jump ship and Ten hag arrived. We don't do that even the best form of our attackers (plus or minus cr7) and Ten hag's coaching wont save us from the consequences. Period. No way in hell we will score enough to get as far in the season as we need to without that depth
 

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Sorry I'm NOT having That discussion EVER again!. If you a willing to believe the likes of Wan Bissaka, Maguire and Shaw, to name just 3, who had seasons just as bad as the front men and Bruno, that ruined our season as a result, was strictly down to cr7, rather than obvious attitude issues, downing of tools in the entire squad and loss of form in one or two cases. Be my guest
Wow!

Main reason is not the same as strictly down to. Our team became worse as soon as we started adapting to starting games with Ronaldo up top. That is not up for discussion, it is only stating a fact. Every single midfielder and attacker became less productive with the arrival of Ronaldo (just stating facts here), and the same happened at Juve 3 years before (again just stating facts).
A lot of our players had bad seasons, yes, but the main reason we changed our playing style, created fewer chances, conceded more chances etc. was because we tried to adapt to and start with and feed a non-pressing 36 year old superstar up top. Good goalscorer, but horrible for the team.
 

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Its been clear for while We must add a striker and another competitive right side attacker to our squad. This was the case even before Cr7 decided to jump ship and Ten hag arrived. We don't do that even the best form of our attackers (plus or minus cr7) and Ten hag's coaching wont save us from the consequences. Period. No way in hell we will score enough to get as far in the season as we need to without that depth
We have Sancho and Elanga on the right, plus jailbird Greenwood and academy Garner, how many more right side player do you want?

Few seasons ago we had 3 seasoned left side players on top of Pogba, now you want 4 on the right? Striker is what we need.
 

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We're at least 1 player short in attack to say for sure but if we're lucky with injuries and form then yes.
 

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Rashford/Elanga - Martial/Sesko - Sancho/Ziyech?

I know it'd be a big call, but I'd get rid of Ronaldo. He's already trying his BS with ten Hag and thankfully, it looks as though he's not having any of it.
 

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To win the title? No, but it should be good enough to qualify for cl if everything clicks and both Rashford and martial reach a resemblance of their best selves.

I'm assuming Ronaldo won't be playing a big part as it all seemed to have gone down the drain with him.
 
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We have Sancho and Elanga on the right, plus jailbird Greenwood and academy Garner, how many more right side player do you want?
First Elanga is like Rashford. Superior on the left. Second, Garner? He is a center midfielder. Greenwood? Forget about him. Even if he clears his name he won't be up to speed until post world cup at the earliest. Even after that his future is at center forward not right winger.

United MUST enter the season with two competitive right side attackers. Same we way we have 2 (arguably even more) on the left.

Few seasons ago we had 3 seasoned left side players on top of Pogba, now you want 4 on the right?
I fail to see the relevance of this statement. I have never called for United to add left sided players when we were laden with them for close to 5 seasons. In comparison I've been calling for 7 seasons for United to have a competitive right side. Both at right back and right side attacker. Not just people 'doing a job' like an Elanga would be.
 

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That isn't true at all :lol:
Thank you for the fruitful argument. You win!
Ronaldo and the use of him had little to nothing to do with our play and results getting worse last season. It was strickly because all the other players downed their tools....

Seriously though:
Do you really think we can compete for trophies with non-pressing forward in the lineup?
 

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Rashford/Elanga - Martial/Sesko - Sancho/Ziyech?

I know it'd be a big call, but I'd get rid of Ronaldo. He's already trying his BS with ten Hag and thankfully, it looks as though he's not having any of it.
I like this, get Ziyech and Sesko in, let Ronaldo go. We also have Garnacho who could potentially play a part this year. If we were to do this as well as getting de Jong we'd be in a decent spot.
 

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We will probably score what we did last season. I am hoping that the defense holds up and we win some 1-0's along the way. Get in to the top 4. Get whatever players ETH wants next season and kick off Martial, Ronaldo, Mctominay, Shaw.
 

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To win the title? No, but it should be good enough to qualify for cl if everything clicks and both Rashford and martial reach a resemblance of their best selves.

I'm assuming Ronaldinho won't be playing a big part as it all seemed to have gone down the drain with him.
Martial has scored 1 league goal in the last 18 months. Sevilla deemed him not good enough to be worth keeping. He's already injured.

We don't have enough goals in this team to finish 4th, never mind win anything.
 

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Sancho, Bruno and Ronaldo are the only players with a decent shot of scoring 10 or more goals next season.

Rashford at a pinch might get to 10. Martial won't. Elanga won't get more than 1 or 2 and probably none in the league. Eriksen might chip in with a few from free kicks.

It won't be nearly enough for top four unless we concede nothing.
 

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Been obvious that we don't have depth for ages and it's our most desperate position. Pure incompetence going into the season with Elanga having the role that he has. Say what you want about our midfield, but it's miles better with depth than our attack.

Importantly, the premier league has 5 subs allowed this season. That's absolutely huge for squad rotation, changing the games with subs, keeping players fresh. You need a group of players who can compete with starters and be a regular sub. Its absolutely vital to sign a winger to compete with Rashford and Sancho, as a sub or rotate with them every game. Not doing that is ridiculous.
 

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Martial has scored 1 league goal in the last 18 months. Sevilla deemed him not good enough to be worth keeping. He's already injured.

We don't have enough goals in this team to finish 4th, never mind win anything.
That's why I said assuming he finds back his best form.
 

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I like this, get Ziyech and Sesko in, let Ronaldo go. We also have Garnacho who could potentially play a part this year. If we were to do this as well as getting de Jong we'd be in a decent spot.
I'm not a big fan of it, but it's extra bodies, I suppose. One is very inexperienced and a massive risk, whilst the other one, despite playing under ten Hag, hasn't seemed to adjust to EPL football.

Hoping the fact that Ziyech has played under ten Hag will reignite his Ajax form. As for Sesko, God know's how he'd get on.
 
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Thank you for the fruitful argument. You win!
:lol: win what? Its you arguing that CR7 "was mostly responsible" for our plummet. Meaning he was the reason in chief that caused our attack, midfield and defence to all get worse. In your eyes inexplicable loss of form of players and poor attitudes of the majority of the entire squad played a "minuscule role". Yet at the SAME TIME you want someone to believe you are not pinning the blame of the systemic and player failure on him


Ronaldo and the use of him had little to nothing to do with our play and results getting worse last season. It was strickly because all the other players downed their tools....
You can deny it all you want. It's the reality!

You can't look at AWB, Maguire and Shaw all lose form together and shout 'CR7. Like United were a pressing team and his presence stripped them of protection from the front so their confidence and form plummeted. 2 players who were flying at the Euros before his arrival.

You can't claim he caused Bruno " to get worse." Yet Bruno alongside him had been thriving for Portugal for years. They should have easily translated that to United. Yet Bruno's drop in form in all truth actually started at the Euros.

You can't blame him for players downing their tools yet repeated leaks from the dressing room indicate he repeatedly tried to unite a fractured dressing room with the staff


You can't claim he caused Cavani and Pogba to dissappear with injury. Two nsne our two biggest crocks and personnel losses from the previous season.

You can't claim he made Rashford worse. A player whose form was already plummeting before his arrival and foolishly insisted on heading to the euros with an injury. Got operated after and messed up his own pre season as a result, just prolonging his plummet in form

Martial too had been fast sleep since before CR7s arrival. Yet y'all want us to believe its cr7 that made him that way.

Greenwood in fact got better post cr7 coming. Just the side got worse around him and then He caught a case.

One doesn't even have to LIKE CR7 to point out these flaws in the 'blame is his" narrative.

Seriously though:
Do you really think we can compete for trophies with non-pressing forward in the lineup?
Yes. Once you understood pressing football fully you understand how. Pressing is mostly about positioning. Not just running power. Its tactical. No one can seriously believe a CR7 can't be tactically instructed to put himself in positions that make it harder for opponents to play around him whilst everyone else squeezes a pressing trap shut. People are acting like he just stands still and does not have more stamina and sprinting power than most of the cafe combined even aged 37.

If a team has 9 relentless pressers and one semi presser. The system will style work like a clock. As long as the tactical instruction is sound. If ten hag does get to keep CR7 for the season he WILL prove it with his coaching.
 
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If Ronaldo leaves no. Can’t see Martial & Rashford getting 15 plus goals each, one maybe but not both.
 

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Wow!

Main reason is not the same as strictly down to. Our team became worse as soon as we started adapting to starting games with Ronaldo up top. That is not up for discussion, it is only stating a fact. Every single midfielder and attacker became less productive with the arrival of Ronaldo (just stating facts here), and the same happened at Juve 3 years before (again just stating facts).
A lot of our players had bad seasons, yes, but the main reason we changed our playing style, created fewer chances, conceded more chances etc. was because we tried to adapt to and start with and feed a non-pressing 36 year old superstar up top. Good goalscorer, but horrible for the team.
Utter nonsense. Ronaldo has a slopy patch goal wise the team being poor is blamed on him, totally dispelled once he starts scoring again...Nor ROnaldo wans to leave, its all his fault again. Ronaldo isnt the same player he was obviously, yes he has weaknesses now within his game and as a team player.

But come on, several players in the side we becoming awful towards the end of the season before, long before he arrived again. The signs were already there and it was obvious we needed to rebuild the midfield. The only way I think can indirectly blame ROnaldo for our shortcomingi last season is we went all in for him at the last minute when we shoul dhavebeen signing two central midfielders...we signed none.....ironically as things stand, the same mistake is being made again with talk of a striker needed as FDJ, he istn cocming.

But how do you blame ROnaldo for some of the abysmal performances individually throughout the season. Shaw was teriible, Bissaka went backwards, Lindelof was yet again average, Varane injured, Maguire a pure embarrassment. Not on player bar Matic from the bench was capable of playing in the pivot Pogba, McFred, VDB all failed in terms of any defensive intelligence, consistency or even responsibility....how do you link that to Ronaldo as these are all defensive areas of the game when we were an utter shambles.

The effort and attitude from the likes of Martial and Rashford was pretty much disgraceful last season and for me Fernandes even in his purple patch showed plenty of evidence of beign very wasteful during 90minutes of a game.

Did/does the effect of ROnaldo have an effect negatively as well as positively on individuals, the dressing room and team....for sure, there were moments of petulance and I agree with what Gary Neville said to a degree.

But sayng the main reason was down to ROnaldo is purely proposterous. There are loads of players in this squad who have let down several managers long before Ronaldo arrived and yet here we are seemingly unable to seel anybody only loan players or wait for there contacts to end. The negative effect of ROnaldo before this summer is miniscule in comparison to so many other problems with both the players, ownership, staff, coaching and management. Hopefully with what has happened in terms orf recruitment and changing of management and staff, that improves and yes now maybe th etime for Ronaldo to go.....but blaming players that have been piss poor for years here on a player that was one of only two to perform las season is blinkered at best
 
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Utter nonsense. Ronaldo has a slopy patch goal wise the team being poor is blamed on him, totally dispelled once he starts scoring again...Nor ROnaldo wans to leave, its all his fault again. Ronaldo isnt the same player he was obviously, yes he has weaknesses now within his game and as a team player.

But come on, several players in the side we becoming awful towards the end of the season before, long before he arrived again. The signs were already there and it was obvious we needed to rebuild the midfield. The only way I think can indirectly blame ROnaldo for our shortcomingi last season is we went all in for him at the last minute when we shoul dhavebeen signing two central midfielders...we signed none.....ironically as things stand, the same mistake is being made again with talk of a striker needed as FDJ, he istn cocming.

But how do you blame ROnaldo for some of the abysmal performances individually throughout the season. Shaw was teriible, Bissaka went backwards, Lindelof was yet again average, Varane injured, Maguire a pure embarrassment. Not on player bar Matic from the bench was capable of playing in the pivot Pogba, McFred, VDB all failed in terms of any defensive intelligence, consistency or even responsibility....how do you link that to Ronaldo as these are all defensive areas of the game when we were an utter shambles.

The effort and attitude from the likes of Martial and Rashford was pretty much disgraceful last season and for me Fernandes even in his purple patch showed plenty of evidence of beign very wasteful during 90minutes of a game.

Did/does the effect of ROnaldo have an effect negatively as well as positively on individuals, the dressing room and team....for sure, there were moments of petulance and I agree with what Gary Neville said to a degree.

But sayng the main reason was down to ROnaldo is purely proposterous. There are loads of players in this squad who have let down several managers long before Ronaldo arrived and yet here we are seemingly unable to seel anybody only loan players or wait for there contacts to end. The negative effect of ROnaldo before this summer is miniscule in comparison to so many other problems with both the players, ownership, staff, coaching and management. Hopefully with what has happened in terms orf recruitment and changing of management and staff, that improves and yes now maybe th etime for Ronaldo to go.....but blaming players that have been piss poor for years here on a player that was one of only two to perform las season is blinkered at best
Amen
 

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No. We need to get a couple of forwards in, but we can't afford not to sign at least one.
 

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If Bruno, Rashford and Martial can turn back the clock and then Sancho and Eriksen chip in too we could manage yeah

They all need to stay fit and in form though which we all know won't happen

If ETH can somehow get a tune out of Ronaldo (and he's actually here in order to do so of course) then we'll be fine

In reality though we need at least one other 10+ goal forward