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Well, the board managed to sign one of them...Christ, why do you even need a manager after that point?
Well, the board managed to sign one of them...Christ, why do you even need a manager after that point?
Actually that's got nothing to do with backing the manager. In fact, what you're doing there is creating a structure that is stripping as much power/influence as possible from the managers job, so that you can continue to succeed irrespective of him.As others have mentioned, throwing money around senselessly is not backing the manager. Putting together a football structure with key responsibilities being placed on qualified personnel and giving the manager a good set up behind him to work like a well oiled machine. That is backing your manager.
£500m worth of players in 2 years, anything less and the manager isn't backed.Christ, why do you even need a manager after that point?
For every time there's an argument from fans about money, stats like this can be made by the owners and Ed. So fans look silly. However, if you point to the true failure of Ed, the football, he nor the owners, can say anything.Very good point. We have alot of problems to deal with at United,but the biggest of them all is Woodward.
I want the Glazers to spend more money on United but the money they have spent so far is enough for United to mount a title challenge or at least be in a title race. However, this money has not been spent wisely, the reason being Woodward and his stooges Judge and Arnold have little understanding of football.
We can easily bounce back from these dire years if the Glazers could just replace Woodward with a competent football person. You can't be making the same mistakes for 7 years and expect things to get better when the architect of the said mistakes is still in the job.
Woodward sits there in the executive box at Old Trafford, he doesn't even feel embarrassed having his face beamed to the rest of the world, a face which represents everything wrong at the football club for the past seven years.
No manager will succeed with Woodward in charge and if he loves the club, just move over and let someone like Van Der Sar do the job.
Without even taking into account the players own wishes, there is close to 400m worth of footballers without counting Maguire and Wan Bissaka.Christ, why do you even need a manager after that point?
It's like Moyes claiming his list included Fabregas, Gareth Bale and Ronaldo but the club didn't bring him any, or LVG claiming he wanted Neymar, Muller, Higuain and Lewa. and they both have the nerve to complain they were not backed.There is more to "backing the Manager" than just randomly throwing money about.
It means supporting the manager's philosophy, as far as realistically possible, and providing him with all needs/wants, again, as far as realistically possible.
Solskjaer's (generally accepted) shopping list of: Koulibaly, Haaland, Sancho, Grealish, Upamecano, Bruno, Bellingham possibly Alcantara & Chilwell...
How many have the board delivered for him?
Now I'm not saying give him a Billion to spend and go get all of his top targets, but the board are just not getting any of his targets for him.
It just seems that there is a constant stream of alternatives and make do's because the board fail time and time again to get deals concluded, often because of some perceived financial matter, and are the alternatives even players that Solskjaer rates?
United do spend plenty of money, they just often spend it very, very badly, and there's one common demoninator for that.
maybe because in football you normally play with 2 centre backs?The Ole ins need to explain how on earth can the manager
a- goes in to Woodward's office and demand a new expensive CB after spending 130m (its actually 145m now thanks to Telles)
Sure but usually an 80m signing is bought to carry or at least compliment the other CB. We now need a CB to carry tortoise because he can't run.maybe because in football you normally play with 2 centre backs?
of course they have been. It’s such a flawed fan reaction, being backed. It’s ridiculous when fans spout things like ‘back him or sack him’At least according to this.
Third most expensive squad in the world apparently, only behind petrol money owned City and Paris..
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Good post.This again.
Moyes wasn't.
Van gaal absolutely didn't want some of the dross we bought.
Mourinho wasn't after finishing 2nd.
Same for ole.
The other point is that 'backing' doesn't mean spending. It means getting the players you want and need and running the club like professionals and not creating an atmosphere doomed to fail.
The amount of money wasted, windows managed shambolically and atrocious squad management in terms of contracts and deadwood is beyond comprehension
Yes, Ole didn´t get what he wanted this window but I see no basis for claiming Ole has gotten players he do not want. I believe he can veto against incoming transfers.This again.
Moyes wasn't.
Van gaal absolutely didn't want some of the dross we bought.
Mourinho wasn't after finishing 2nd.
Same for ole.
The other point is that 'backing' doesn't mean spending. It means getting the players you want and need and running the club like professionals and not creating an atmosphere doomed to fail.
The amount of money wasted, windows managed shambolically and atrocious squad management in terms of contracts and deadwood is beyond comprehension
How are the managers backed when Woodward doesn't go for players the managers want?Of course they've been backed, the numbers don't lie, but a lot of our fans will still vehemently deny that. The biggest problem by far has been that our investment has been extremely poor for the most part. And a lot of that has to do with poor planning & bad managerial appointments. IMO, all 4 of our managerial choices post Fergie have been bad ones.
You telling me he wanted cavani? If so why wait until the final day.Yes, Ole didn´t get what he wanted this window but I see no basis for claiming Ole has gotten players he do not want. I believe he can veto against incoming transfers.
RW Sancho £108mEvery manager has spent money, but they wanted steak and Woodward provided pot noodles at the price of steak.
You can't say a manager has been backed if they don't get what they want. We went into the market with Ole wanting a RW, CDM, Cb & grealish. He got none of them
So you think we only offered Cavani a contract on deadline day?You telling me he wanted cavani? If so why wait until the final day.
It was more of a case of he's better than nothing.
No,of course not. It was done late enough though to get it through by deadline day.So you think we only offered Cavani a contract on deadline day?
Who says it has to be those players?RW Sancho £108m
CB Upamecano €60m plus between €10m to €20m agent fees = potentially a €80m deal.
Grealish £80m and that's without including agent fees.
CDM ?? Rice or Zakaria?
That's close to £300m and is the reason we're in the malaise we find ourselves in. Because we keep giving managers too much power when it comes to recruiting players.
This is how you build a squad in Football Manager.
Maybe we got him on lower wages than he initially demanded?You telling me he wanted cavani? If so why wait until the final day.
It was more of a case of he's better than nothing.
Lvg said he got players he didn't want and didn't get the players he did want.Moyes deserved what he got so I'm not going to talk about him.
But in LVGs two seasons with us - Di Maria Herrera Rojo Shaw Falcao Blind Martial Schneiderlin Schweinsteiger Romero Depay Darmian. Mourinhos first two season before his 3rd season implosion he got Pogba Bailly Mkhitaryan Ibrahimovic Lukaku Sanchez Lindelof Matic.
Back then I was estatic with these signings. I don't know if they were the coaches targets but most of these players performed well in their previous clubs and they were exciting signings
I imagine a few years from now if Maguire keeps going down this path, Awb is still bad in attacking, Telles doesn't adapt in the pl, James is sold for peanuts, Pellistri and Traore don't live up to their potential people will rant about how Ole wasn't backed and how we recruited poorly
Well there are plenty of reasons why it could have been done late, but you, or me, would only be speculating.No,of course not. It was done late enough though to get it through by deadline day.
Look he has been available all summer, if we had him as a target it, it would have been done for the season started.
You can kid yourself if you think he was on Oles wish list if you like.
With what his reported wages are I highly doubt that but if you think that fair enough. I cannot prove or disprove anything. I can only put forward what I think with the information in the public domain.Maybe we got him on lower wages than he initially demanded?
I think we can form an fairly accurate idea by what has been reported over months.Well there are plenty of reasons why it could have been done late, but you, or me, would only be speculating.
Likewise with Ole's wishlist; neither of us can offer up indisputable evidence of who Ole wanted, so we can only offer up speculation and conjecture. I just feel the excuses are being readied for Ole by his staunch fans, who in the back of their mind know the writings on the wall. Just my opinion of course.
Who else is it supposed to be? You called the alternatives pot noodles.Who says it has to be those players?
I was naming positions & grealish that Ole wanted in. He got none of them
I think Ole is pretty fine with Cavani. Why not. It´s a one year contract and he could have positive influence on the squad. Greenwood could learn from him, and Martial needs competition. Hopefully a lot better than nothing.You telling me he wanted cavani? If so why wait until the final day.
It was more of a case of he's better than nothing.
Yes because Ole got a completely different set of players to what he wanted.Who else is it supposed to be? You called the alternatives pot noodles.