It does call into question how players like Mata and Bailly can get their deals extended when they are not trusted enough to cover for the regulars. And Ole did buy James and Amad, the latter wasn't exactly cheap. With Amad, I think Ole is doing the right thing in not rushing him, and he did quite well with Greenwood. But given the outlay and our need for players who are ready to play, it's an interesting choice (I'm all aboard the Amad love train though).
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
There's so many questions that needs to be asked. For example why can't we defend a set piece? Time and time again we get nailed by that. Why certain players aren't rested when its evident that they need to be rested? What's the point in spending good money on players like VDB when Ole clearly does not trust him? Why do we keep giving contract extensions to players who are clearly not good enough? This criticism goes up to board level and way down to coaches.
@MyOnlySolskjaer You are asking in the OP what right the medical team have to clear players?
Either your post is incomprehensible, or you have lost you mind. Which is it?
Who would you suggest assesses whether a player is fit to play or not, the tea lady?
Either your post is incomprehensible, or you have lost you mind. Which is it?
Well, Bailly was needed several times this season due to injuries or players needing rest. Mata could have been needed much more if Bruno got injured (but then he was also unavailable for a while due to family stuff, we aren't sure how long that went on).
In essence they are an insurance policy just like signing (and extending) Ighalo's loan. A player that can perform a role if our Plan A isn't available.
Squad players are extended cause it's cheaper than the total package of club/agent fee and salary if we were to buy a new player for every role.
Badly phrased, sorry for that. I wanted to know why the medical staff cleared players who were injured. Also, If there is a proper strategy to clear players and thorough assessment because we saw in Rashford's case he was playing despite carrying many injuries. That's what I meant by "what right", was more a post in frustration than logic.
I suggest you calm down a bit before posting rant threads. Count to 10, breath deeply for 30 seconds. Why not put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa?
Once you've clamed down a bit, you may have changed your mind about starting the thread, so it saves the rest of us from reading rants like this
You should check the date in the OP before going on about people having rants.I suggest you calm down a bit before posting rant threads. Count to 10, breath deeply for 30 seconds. Why not put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa?
Once you've clamed down a bit, you may have changed your mind about starting the thread, so it saves the rest of us from reading rants like this
United's injury troubles will become a thing of the past in about 5 years, when I become a specialist in sports medicine and get hired as the club's on site doctor
Looks at Chelsea's squad players (I won't bother mentioning City's two sets of teams). They are squad players who aren't an insurance policy. Zouma, Christensen, three very capable midfielders, Hudson-Odoi barely makes the team, nor does Abraham.
By and large I understand why a manager would want to use his best players as much as possible, but not when the injuries they are carrying seriously limit their output. At that point, having a squad and not using it is just illogical.
As some say, it's the hope that some individual brilliance can happen at some point. But that's not really a great approach and it undermines the rest of the squad.
How can any fan claim to have any knowledge of how United's medical team work????
Point in my original post still stands
It's all about ethics and how the club will allow injured players to compete. A medical department that gives OK for a player to compete with a spine injury is utterly incompetent.
I assumed most clubs pushed their best and most important players to play through pain?
With the insane amount of competitive games we`ve had since the return of football last june i`m not surprised lots of our players are injured. If we can get Sancho in we could start resting Marcus a bit more often.
With the insane amount of competitive games we`ve had since the return of football last june i`m not surprised lots of our players are injured. If we can get Sancho in we could start resting Marcus a bit more often.
Utter bollox. A “spine injury” can cover a wide range of scenarios from something which wouldn’t hinder an athlete in the slightest to quadriplegia. The medical team at the club know far better than anyone else whereabouts Rashford’s injury sat on that spectrum. And judging exactly when a long term injury is fully healed, or healed enough to let a footballer play matches is a far from exact science.
Same issue applies with every medical team, at every club. Along with the issue of football fans acting as backseat specialists based on the scantiest of details about each injured player and zero medical qualifications.
I agree that there's little detail provided for one to take account. I myself competed while injured, and this includes a micro-fracture on the hip, but it was relatively safe because it was in a neutral place.
But bone fractures are easier to judge in comparison to ligaments injuries, beucause they are so small that is difficult to know when they are fully healed and ready to go.
As anote: not medical expert, just plenty of years of competition and all the injuries that comes with it.
You’ll get my point then. It took an extremely detailed knowledge of the nature/history of your injury to decide you were able to continue playing. While someone who only knew you had a “hip fracture” would probably accuse your doctor of “utter incompetence”!
But I wasn't quoting your original post, I was quoting the one where you were having a little moan about having to read rants when, if you had checked the post date, you could have saved yourself the trouble.Point in my original post still stands
Sure... will do.I suggest you calm down a bit before posting rant threads. Count to 10, breath deeply for 30 seconds. Why not put the kettle on and make yourself a cuppa?
Once you've clamed down a bit, you may have changed your mind about starting the thread, so it saves the rest of us from reading rants like this
And it looks like our medical people have messed up again by not over riding Gareth Southgates decicion to include Harry Maguire in the England squad. Maguire is not properly fit and should not be allowed to go; we've seen this so many times over the years with players like Bryan Robson, Gary Neville, David Beckham and Wayne Rooney all being selected for England duty when they were clearly not fit, and of course they came home with their injuries worsened! Im a Club before Country type and though I want to see England do well, I dont want it at Uniteds expense.
"Euro 2020: Luke Shaw played with BROKEN RIBS in three matches" https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.amp...ke-Shaw-played-BROKEN-RIBS-three-matches.html
Still think our medical team is bad. They are all the same will clear the players that are important to them for action no matter the circumstances.
Did you even read the article you linked to? He injured his ribs in the Germany match, our medical staff have nothing to do with this.
I guess you don't get the context. Our medical staff were criticized on here after Greenwood left the English camp. The argument was that our Medical staff clear our injured players for matches whilst the English medical know better and wouldn't jeopardize the players. Shaws rib injury shows that the English medical staff clear injured players for matches too.
Of course they do, they don't give a flying fiddlers feck if a player is out for months for their club as long as he can play the next 2-3 games for England.
We need to completely replace all of them because this isn't normal.
- Huge amount of injuries
- Long recovering period
- Repeating injuries
- Players getting injured quickly after they come back from injury
I think it’s ETH’s training methods.
It's a complex issue so we don't know who to blame here. But it's not normal and I hope that the new management are looking into this. I don't remember from memory a similar season to this one.
"As per Trivela, Casemiro felt something in his hamstring in training before the Liverpool game but even after several examinations by the club’s medical team, they insisted he was okay and could play against Merseyside rivals.
Case, who was in pain, decided to double-check with another doctor in Barcelona who has treated him before, and he confirmed a minor issue that would have been made worse if he played against Liverpool."
Case, who was in pain, decided to double-check with another doctor in Barcelona who has treated him before, and he confirmed a minor issue that would have been made worse if he played against Liverpool."
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What years of Glazer neglect has done to our club. Sir Jim needs to hand those jokers their P45s.
Objectively shit and need sacking. This isn't like a Carrick/McKenna/Fletcher situation where fans haven't a clue what they're like and looking for someone to blame, these guys have actively hindered our campaign with their prognosis to the point you'd wonder if it's sabotage.
You do wonder how they could seriously be so bad. Cheap hires?
Lied on their resume said they're doctors but they have paleontology doctorates instead.
Should have got the clue when they watch Jurassic Park on loop
Sack them, sack them all. Charlatans.
This would be quite the revelation if they are genuinely incompetent and are missing things they should be detecting. What trust will players have in them if they're putting two and two together also?
This is so bad. Could be ruining players' careers if true.
I don't think it's hard to put together a good medical team for a top football club..... they're not generational talents!!!
Sack them all and hire new ones. Even those from Barcelona, Beijing, Sao Paolo, etc. build a world class medical team combining knowledge from all over the world plus their herbal treatments!
Sack them all and hire new ones. Even those from Barcelona, Beijing, Sao Paolo, etc. build a world class medical team combining knowledge from all over the world plus their herbal treatments!
The thing that doesn't make sense about this is how would they miss it - do we just not have the best equipment? There's long been questions about our medical team and maybe they are simply incompetent but it seems odd a senior player with Case's profile would tell them he's feeling an issue and they'd look at it and just say you're fine, they'd send him to a specialist surely? Unless this story is creating a story out of nothing and United looked at it, couldn't see an issue but then sent him to the specialist in Barca/
Everything's a judgement call. Doctor in Barcelona could be more cautious, who knows. Doesn't make him right. Doesn't make our lot wrong.
Doctors miss things all the time anyway. It's not incompetence, it's just humans being humans.
Doctors miss things all the time anyway. It's not incompetence, it's just humans being humans.
I was thinking the same about the equipment. Id assume we have access to CT scans etc, or at least send them to a nearby private medical facility to use theirs.
Agreed. Sack ALL the doctors.
We should probably blame them for the poor transfer deals we’ve done too. Bastards.