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A proper longterm appointment would be Julian Nagelsmann (spelt something like that) from Hoffenheim - he's very young at about 31 but looks to be a great coach. And more to the point he would be at united for the long term and actually build a team.
 

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We should have gone for Klopp at the time. But we didn't.
We should have gone for Tuchel at the time. But we didn't.

That were the obvious choices imo, and we failed. Both are coaches on the pulse of the time and at their prime, not like Van Gaal or Mourinho who are living from the past.

Now it's not so easy to choose one. We could be brave and go for someone like Hasenhüttl, a man who was succesful wherever he worked - but was not working on the big stage so far.

However, I would go for Zidane. To me, he is not as good as Klopp or Tuchel. For sure not.

However, (a) he is available, (b) he is name that could attract players to come to OT, (c) he looks great in his suits and (d) he was one of my favourite players of all time and (e) he has shown that he is able to deal with Ego-instagram-footballers.
 

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We should have gone for Klopp at the time. But we didn't.
We should have gone for Tuchel at the time. But we didn't.

That were the obvious choices imo, and we failed. Both are coaches on the pulse of the time and at their prime, not like Van Gaal or Mourinho who are living from the past.

Now it's not so easy to choose one. We could be brave and go for someone like Hasenhüttl, a man who was succesful wherever he worked - but was not working on the big stage so far.

However, I would go for Zidane. To me, he is not as good as Klopp or Tuchel. For sure not.

However, (a) he is available, (b) he is name that could attract players to come to OT, (c) he looks great in his suits and (d) he was one of my favourite players of all time and (e) he has shown that he is able to deal with Ego-instagram-footballers.
Didn't Klopp have some kind of pre-interview with us and say no thanks?
 

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Do you reckon the club actually interviews managers for our job? Or does Woody just appoint them?

Actually, would Woody even know how to hold a football based interview!?
You're 100% right Annihilate Now, there's no direction from the board and Woody knows sweet eFF All about football, philosophies or anything at all with knowing how to run a football department.
The mess that we're in now didn't start when Fergie left, it started when Gill left.

Until Woody butts out of football related matters we'l be in a spin cycle after we rinse and repeat...
Moyes
LvG
Mourhino
All spent gazillions, and there's still no direction.
 

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We should have gone for Klopp at the time. But we didn't.
We should have gone for Tuchel at the time. But we didn't.

That were the obvious choices imo, and we failed. Both are coaches on the pulse of the time and at their prime, not like Van Gaal or Mourinho who are living from the past.

Now it's not so easy to choose one. We could be brave and go for someone like Hasenhüttl, a man who was succesful wherever he worked - but was not working on the big stage so far.

However, I would go for Zidane. To me, he is not as good as Klopp or Tuchel. For sure not.

However, (a) he is available, (b) he is name that could attract players to come to OT, (c) he looks great in his suits and (d) he was one of my favourite players of all time and (e) he has shown that he is able to deal with Ego-instagram-footballers.
Sarri is the most recent example of a manager we should have gone for but missed out on. Tbf it would have been very harsh to sack Mourinho after last season's results, but in hindsight we should have been ruthless.
 

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there were a couple of rumors linking us to Nuno Espírito Santo. May be Woodward is vetting him. Wolves have been very good this season and were pretty amazing in the Championship too last year.
 

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The biggest thing people seem to underestimate when plucking names out of the air is the sheer pressure of managing us. For all Moyes' faults, the job looked like it aged him ten years, the pressure being so unrelenting. Jose doesn't look brilliant, either - and he has had one of the highest profile jobs going before this.

So whilst I don't think that having won something should necessarily be part of the criteria, we do need to be going for someone that is used to a core of demanding fans, demanding media and being constantly in the public eye. Which leads to either having to get an older manager who may or may not be past their prime (and may not play the football we crave), or taking a punt on a Pochettino kind of figure that when faced with the reality of a club of our size may very well crumble regardless of any and all talent for managing.
 

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Yep, a bit of proactiveness in the summer would've taken us far on the managerial front. On a side note, Roberto De Zerbi comes across as a younger incarnate of Sarri based on his positional play principles. Benevento intermittently played some attractive football last season after he took charge (though they did still end up getting relegated because of qualitative issues on top of a horrible first half of the season which led to Marco Baroni's sacking), and now Sassuolo are giving a good account of themselves (and leading the Serie A goalscoring charts for good measure). Work in progress and don't think he's polished enough to coach United just yet, but he passes the eye test as regards fostering an organised attacking ethos. Be interesting to see how he tightens the defensive failings of his system, adds greater variety to their attacking patterns, fine-tunes the overall organisation of the team and deals with greater expectations at Sassuolo after coaching a very weak team last year — definitely someone to keep an eye on going forward.
As knowledgeable as always, hyung!

Can't say I know anything about him personally, though. All my first choices are pretty much no goes - Pochettino (who I wanted back in '13 to replace Fergie), Sarri, Pep.

With them out of the way, there's two options for me in regards to who I'd want. On one side there's Wenger who plays good football, develops youth and is a proven winner. As a stop gap, I don't think it'd be bad because we wouldn't be lumped with him like Arsenal were if things go sour.

On the other side, it's managers of teams I personally enjoy watching outside of United:
Hasenhuttl - Been a fan of his since his Ingolstadt team. Expected more of him from managing Leipzig, but still a fan.
Quique Setién (Real Betis) - Really love the way he approaches games. No matter the opposition, he always tries to get his team playing on the forefront. I think if he came here and attempted to implement his style with us, coupled with our generous budget, he could excel.
Simone Inzagi (Lazio) - Unlike the other two, I'm not as big on him despite thinking he's doing a wonderful job at Lazio. I wouldn't mind him, though, as Lazio are one of my favourite teams to watch in which he's very much responsible for.
Bruno Génésio (Lyon) (@kouroux & @JPRouve :D) - Like Inzaghi, I'm not as big on him as Hasenhuttl and Setién, but I do enjoy his Lyon side and they scored so many goals last year which deserves a tonne of credit.

I know none of these are at all likely to be even considered - they're just personal choices.

Once the board decided they would veto transfer targets that should have been the time.to.part ways
There's just no words for how silly this was from us, is there? Like, I was José out long before the season started, but if you're going to keep him on then surely they should've backed him? Made no sense whatsoever.
 

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A proper longterm appointment would be Julian Nagelsmann (spelt something like that) from Hoffenheim - he's very young at about 31 but looks to be a great coach. And more to the point he would be at united for the long term and actually build a team.
If he doesnt win the league within 2 or 3 years he'll get the chop
 

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We've set a precedent

Whoever comes in has to win the league within 3 seasons no matter what. Otherwise it's bye bye

Rinse and repeat
 

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Ed Woodward will go for Zidane, not because he is a great manager who can sort out the mess at the club, but because his appointment will gain the most clicks, likes and retweets.

That is how our club works at the moment and until we refocus away from the commercial side and back onto football it will carry on like this.
 

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A proper longterm appointment would be Julian Nagelsmann (spelt something like that) from Hoffenheim - he's very young at about 31 but looks to be a great coach. And more to the point he would be at united for the long term and actually build a team.
What about Mckenna? He's also a young coach, obviously without the experience of actually managing the first team but everyone has to start somewhere. He did really well for our U18s. Not saying I want Mckenna but just throwing it out there.

Anyway I just hope we bin Jose within the next day or two and move on. The football and drama surrounding the club is dreadful.
 

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Whoever is to come in, a longterm plan needs to be put in motion.

DoF is a must, with full executive power, not some dummy for Woodward to control.

Certain requirements need to be met when it comes to new manager appointment :
  • history of playing attacking and attractive football
  • history of integrating youth players their development
  • history of improving the player overall
  • gotta have manners, no place for Mourinho style antics
Ofc having some history of winning stuff is another plus but it shouldn't be the main requirement at all. Instant success should be buried in favor of making a longterm plan imo.

I do like Jardim from Monaco and he ticks a lot of boxes tbh, he's probably the only one that's available as well.

There's that Nagelsmann fella from Hofdenheim as well who deserves a shout tho I'm not sold on him, he's german Eddie Howe, not that there's anything wrong with that.

Zidane is always a good shout tho tbh but he would also be seen as a instant success manager due to his impressive trophy cabinet.

Wild card imo could be Blanc. He played some really nice football with Bordeaux, France, PSG. He's been a member of the club, know the club inside out and think his presence would bring out the best out of our French contingent.
 

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As knowledgeable as always, hyung!

Can't say I know anything about him personally, though. All my first choices are pretty much no goes - Pochettino (who I wanted back in '13 to replace Fergie), Sarri, Pep.

With them out of the way, there's two options for me in regards to who I'd want. On one side there's Wenger who plays good football, develops youth and is a proven winner. As a stop gap, I don't think it'd be bad because we wouldn't be lumped with him like Arsenal were if things go sour.

On the other side, it's managers of teams I personally enjoy watching outside of United:
Hasenhuttl - Been a fan of his since his Ingolstadt team. Expected more of him from managing Leipzig, but still a fan.
Quique Setién (Real Betis) - Really love the way he approaches games. No matter the opposition, he always tries to get his team playing on the forefront. I think if he came here and attempted to implement his style with us, coupled with our generous budget, he could excel.
Simone Inzagi (Lazio) - Unlike the other two, I'm not as big on him despite thinking he's doing a wonderful job at Lazio. I wouldn't mind him, though, as Lazio are one of my favourite teams to watch in which he's very much responsible for.
Bruno Génésio (Lyon) (@kouroux & @JPRouve :D) - Like Inzaghi, I'm not as big on him as Hasenhuttl and Setién, but I do enjoy his Lyon side and they scored so many goals last year which deserves a tonne of credit.

I know none of these are at all likely to be even considered - they're just personal choices.


There's just no words for how silly this was from us, is there? Like, I was José out long before the season started, but if you're going to keep him on then surely they should've backed him? Made no sense whatsoever.
It makes perfect sense from the board's (ie money grabbing cnuts) view and yeah I'm team Génésion, the misunderstood genius
 

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Get Carlos Queiroz back and Meulensteen as well. These 2 know Utd inside out. And then RYan Giggs ,so synonymous with Sir Alex, is surely destined to be the next most successful manager of Utd.
 

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I feel the same way. Really think we should have some patience and pick the right man who fits what we actually want to do as a club (if Woodward even knows).
Who exactly do you have in mind?
 

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People keep going on about Nagelsmann without actually having a clue of what is going on.
 

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A proper longterm appointment would be Julian Nagelsmann (spelt something like that) from Hoffenheim - he's very young at about 31 but looks to be a great coach. And more to the point he would be at united for the long term and actually build a team.
Nagelsmann will coach Leipzig next season and absolutely nothing can change that..Leipzig would just laughing out loud receiving an offer from United. They have an ambitious project and surely dont need the money. They are waiting patiently a year for him, so DoS Rangnick has to coach for a year himself and you can bet that he really was not keen doing that, but he made that huge compromise to get his dream coach..cos he is a smart fecker and knows how great he is and how important a good coach with a clear concept is nowadays. Only over his dead body somebody could snatch Nagelsmann away from him.

Also thinking that a young German coach would be willing to break his contract and leave burnt ashes behind him is just laughable. He knows that Leipzig is the perfect next step to develop further and no offer will change that. Real have also made contact with him already , but he was not impressed at all, as it is not the right timing to coach a superpower club.

I have no doubt that Nagelsmann will succeed there and after Leipzig in 3 or 4 years, he is ready for that next step and I m pretty sure its going to be Bayern. He has made no secrets in his wish to be coach there.
 

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Nagelsmann will coach Leipzig next season and absolutely nothing can change that..Leipzig would just laughing out loud receiving an offer from United. They have an ambitious project and surely dont need the money. They are waiting patiently a year for him, so DoS Rangnick has to coach for a year himself and you can bet that he really was not keen doing that, but he made that huge compromise to get his dream coach..cos he is a smart fecker and knows how great he is and how important a good coach with a clear concept is nowadays. Only over his dead body somebody could snatch Nagelsmann away from him.

Also thinking that a young German coach would be willing to break his contract and leave burnt ashes behind him is just laughable. He knows that Leipzig is the perfect next step to develop further and no offer will change that. Real have also made contact with him already , but he was not impressed at all, as it is not the right timing to coach a superpower club.

I have no doubt that Nagelsmann will succeed there and after Leipzig in 3 or 4 years, he is ready for that next step and I m pretty sure its going to be Bayern. He has made no secrets in his wish to be coach there.
Yep all true, I just googled him myself. Well he would have been a good appointment were he not already going to RB Leipzig.
 

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People keep going on about Nagelsmann without actually having a clue of what is going on.
I rate him as a very talented manager but he has already signed a contract for next season with RB Leipzig which means we would have to buy him out of two contracts, that is if he even wants to come. I think he once mentioned that managing anot elite club would be to early for him and managing a club like RBL was the logical next step in his career, so there is a good chance he wouldn't even be interested in the job at our club.
 

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I’ll expect to be trashed here but in our current state where expectations are at this level I’d give serious thought to Eddie Howe as a complete change in direction.

And, just for discussions sake, Sean Dyche? What does anyone think of them apples?
 
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I’ll expect to be trashed here but in our current state where expectations are at this level I’d give serious thought to Eddie Howe as a complete change in direction.

And, just for discussions sake, Sean Dyche? What does anyone think of them apples?
I like Eddie Howe but he would need support of a DOF otherwise the job would be too much for him
 

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I'm not convinced any of the realistic options suggested will turn us around. We're in a similar position as before Moyes and LVG where all the obvious best options are unavailable.
 

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What's Wenger up to?
I actually don't think Wenger is a bad shout as a caretaker manager until the end of the season. He knows the league, we have one of his ex-players in the team, there are two talented young Frenchmen who he may be able to get a tune out of, he always wanted to recruit Smalling for Arsenal, he plays good football, and he was a specialist at getting CL football. We will get trashed by City or Liverpool 5-0 a couple of times and will bow out to Bayern in CL, but otherwise he'll give us good football and finish in the top 4. Plus, the reactions from both Arsenal and our fans would be interesting.

I am Wenger in! Bring out the banners!

(I am joking.....actually only half joking).
 

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I’ll expect to be trashed here but in our current state where expectations are at this level I’d give serious thought to Eddie Howe as a complete change in direction.

And, just for discussions sake, Sean Dyche? What does anyone think of them apples?
Sean Dyche, Simeone, Conte, Benitez. What is it with people on here. All are negative managers, playing dreary football, & in Conte's case falling out with the players like Mourinho. Whoever we appoint as next manager, please let them play attacking football like all our rivals.
 

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Hindsight is an exact science when talking about managers that appear to now be 'getting it right'. Let's not forget we are still talking about some managers like Klopp who have won feck all. The club still functions like SAF is still here and it's structure from top to bottom needs to change from a football and not commercial point of view. Football people need to be the ones making the decisions not people that views are tainted by money.