Our midfield issues have been around for a long time. We last had a good midfield around about 2008.
Our record against bottom 7
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Imran (@Annihilate Now!) & Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to discuss disappointed FA Cup exit at the hands of Brighton - confirming our shortest season in over 100 years. They also discuss the news that Michael Carrick is set to be United's manager until the end of the season.
Whoever takes over has got to find a way to get this teaming pushing for more goals after they take a lead instead of sitting back. We’ve proven we can’t defend for shit.
Its about mentality. Most of our player are skilled enough but does not have the mentality.
Agree. It seems we instantly retreat, inviting teams on. We have conceded countless goals within minutes of scoring.
It can only be a mindset issue, as opposed to any kind of team instruction. If the plan is to defend a lead, do it properly like we did against Newcastle.
It’s been extremes. Last season, we went through a series of games when defence was holding up well enough but we couldn’t score goals. Now the opposite. Very frustrating but I think we’ve missed MDL as much as the Africans. Nothing would surprise me with this lot. We are just as capable of beating teams above us - in fact, the numbers suggest that very thing. Probably a bit fanciful to think we should have won all those drawn games but really should have done enough to be in 4th place and well ahead of the pack below. Who’d have thought?
We've basically played all of our easy games and not won nearly enough of them. I do not forsee a top 5 finish for us.
A lot of that was because of our previous manager being a coward.
It’s clear we have a very good attack now after changing it this summer.
There will never be a better opportunity to land 4th without having to do much other than not drop monumental balls. Sadly, we passed it up over the last 6 games.
Can't blame it all on Amorim, we missed very good chances to kill each game off and failed to do so.
Yep it’s been an issue since Jose’s days
Yes we are a wasteful bunch. Agreed.
Not all on him for sure
But when needing a goal and changing a cb for a cb to maintain a shape that isn't creating chances, he can only look at himself for that
He didn't risk going for a win the majority of the time.
The team itself has issues where they stop playing football once they go a goal ahead and are content with just inviting pressure (which usually leads to an eventual equaliser)
We are unbeaten in all those games. Last season we would have lost a few so we are improving just be patient.
Spurs are europa cup holders, Bournemouth have Semenyo, Leeds always a difficult place to go, Forest are in Europe, we done ok.
We’d be second
So many points dropped. This is why we'll struggle to finish in the top 6 as now our games will be harder.
I agree with the second part.
It's pretty simple: they raise their game and our players drop down by a couple percent. At this level, that's more than enough not to win. It's one of the toughest things for a club and management to get right, ensuring that the players have the right attitude. Making them feel like they must win at all costs. Making them almost angry at the opponent, wanting to destroy them.
Fergie was a master at this, he would use every trick in the book, even making shit up. It works in other sport too, anyone who's watched The Last Dance, Michael Jordan used to lie to himself to generate that extra couple percent.
When you watch our games, you simply don't see the level of aggression and intensity. It's especially obvious at the end of the games when we're supposed to be chasing a winner. The players look more content about drawing. And when they lose, it's no big deal, it's just where the club is now. That's the attitude they have. Back in the day under Fergie if we lost it was a major problem throughout the club. Fergie would go as far as to get the whole staff in a room to berate them. It's standards and mentality, simple as that.
These players are much better than what they show.
Fergie was a master at this, he would use every trick in the book, even making shit up. It works in other sport too, anyone who's watched The Last Dance, Michael Jordan used to lie to himself to generate that extra couple percent.
When you watch our games, you simply don't see the level of aggression and intensity. It's especially obvious at the end of the games when we're supposed to be chasing a winner. The players look more content about drawing. And when they lose, it's no big deal, it's just where the club is now. That's the attitude they have. Back in the day under Fergie if we lost it was a major problem throughout the club. Fergie would go as far as to get the whole staff in a room to berate them. It's standards and mentality, simple as that.
These players are much better than what they show.
The Leeds one we were really bad and did well to nab a draw.
But yesterday was one way traffic that in a way is even more disturbing that we didn't win. However, 9 games out of 10 that's a comfy win.
FFS , are we really that desperate to grasp at straws such are we are unbeaten against Wolves and West Ham at home etc.
The first thing the new manager will needs to do is to stamp out the mentality that it is ok to draw these games , talk about a standards drop , no club with any ambition above mid table mediocrity should ever accept a run like this never mind a club as big as us.
We need to accept to this is a problem that needs resoling and not stick our heads in the and saying it is ok and bench marking everything off a season we finished 15th place. Our form should it continue like this will have us finish in the bottom half of the table again. But as long as it is above 15th it seems it is ok.
It's gonna cost us in the end I reckon. Far too many draws against the poorer teams.
Would anyone take the Conference League right now if it was offered..?
Done ok? Draws against the bottom 7? I wish women had these type of standards.
Agreed 100%.
Standards have fallen, as well as the mentality of all people involved with the club. That includes supporters.
It is diabolical to see that these days getting top 6 is now seen as a great achievement.
A few years ago, top 4 had become our trophy.
IMO, winning the league is a priority, but we've been going backwards despite spending huge amounts of money on players and sadly, I honestly don't see how we are going to get out of this situation. I genuinely believe we are now going to be a mid table side for the foreseeable future, despite being one of the biggest spending clubs on the plant.