Logically if he was so anti Utd and was trying to manage the game to ensure Brentford won why even add 7 mins to start with? Why not just go with 5?
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Nah, stuff that. If we play a bunch of doped up freaks who sprint at you and kick you for 60 minutes before dropping on the floor for the rest of the game trying to recover energy, we should get the benefit of a proper amount of added time due to their time wasting.
Does he even choose the time added on? How does it work anyway? The ref sends a message via the mic to tell them how many minutes to hold up? Genuine question as I’ve never understood how it works.
Good question. In the old days, the ref would use a stop watch to account for injuries (hence the term injury time). I have no idea how it is calculated these days but I can't for the life of me remember 10 minutes of injury time in any of the old football league games.
Yeah, the old fashioned way makes sense. The ref has a timer which he stops when the ball goes out of play. He then blows up when the timer reaches 90 minutes exactly. Which could be a number of minutes extra in real time. I’ve never understood how it works since they started announcing the exact number of minutes to be added before they’re played. Who tots up those added minutes? And how?
I don't agree with it either.
Can think of 2 factors possibly at play.
The shift to 5 subs, even though it's restricted to 3 stoppages per team were probably lengthening games, especially when adding VAR stoppages and injuries too. Why's that even a problem? TV would be my guess.
Think games have 2 1/2 hours between them to avoid one running into the other and in the past it was 2 hours 15 or even 2 hours. Still, I'd imagine that in a lot of countries where they don't have a studio and are just taking the feed they don't want a match to run over 2 hours from kick off to final whistle ideally, 105 minutes at most playing time when all added up so it fits better with schedules. Stick a 30 minute filler programme in between. I don't know, just a guess.
Here's what they were saying about it:
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This is so right. Stuff which never gets shown in highlights programmes or online clips, so the referees escape a wider scrutiny, although match going fans can see that it's obvious cheating.
It was 4-2 at that point?
Glad to see he annoyed others too. I found myself very annoyed by him and together with the scoreline was a tough watch.
So he felt that the game was safe and he felt he didn't have to influence the outcome at that point?
Do people genuinely believe he is trying to fix games to bring about the worst outcome for Utd?
It is amazing how literally every fanbase thinks the refs and VAR are out to get them. Referee derangement syndrome.
United had a counter attack opportunity in injury time where he deliberately stopped play, then blowed exactly when we restarted. Knew what he was doing
Ten subs? That’s five minutes alone.
He’d have been saying there was ZERO additional time for stoppages, time wasting, etc… nothing at all. Doubt refs get away with that in reports and post match reviews.
He’s a moron but not 100% stupid.
I don’t disagree, but it would stop all of this if there actually was some transparency and announcements of the whys in every VAR call and a summary for each match of why something wasn’t called by VAR. Every incident they looked at basically.
The biggest argument when VAR came about was that it would be a good weapon against corruption and bribes, but it’s not farfetched to think you can bribe 1 out of 4 refs at a game. Or that a state could have some dirt on 1 ref that could be blackmailed for a long time. Even just inviting a ref for a tournament and being on the payroll in an oil state is dodgy as feck.
Added time is 100% a vibe check. There was a Wrexham episode with the Sunny gang and it was funny how both Charlie Day and Glenn Howerton immediately picked up on how bizarre added minutes were in football and how they made no sense. Rob had no answers for them besides tradition.
There should definitely be a set way to add minutes. Any change the takes more power and decision making from referees will improve the game.
Blew the whistle for half time immediately after we won a corner too.
Who’s doing the vibe check though? The bloke on the pitch? He does some sort of totting up in his head and communicates to the Asst Ref that he should hold up a board with 6 on it? (or whatever) He must be stopping a timer on his watch whenever he indicates that he’s stopping play. Is that a factor in his totting up? And how does that work with the supposed 30 seconds exactly per goal or sub, when play stops after goals or subs for differing amounts of time.
For something that’s actually very important it’s nuts that there’s no transparency at all.
1 sub in the first half, 2 at half time, Brentford also brought on 3 at once, going to assume it is 30 secs per stoppage for a sub rather than 30 secs per individual sub, if it is that is 2 mins 30 secs for subs in the second half. If it is not teams should be keeping additional subs to extend the match.
But from your response it looks like you do believe that he is out to get Utd, so everyhting will be interpreted in that manner.
Fans from every team are always going to find a way to say they have been cheated. When we end up with AI refs people will say the algorithm was written with inherent bias against their team. VAR was never going to stop this, another reason why it is a bag of shite.
Bring back that guy who got gacked up and called Klopp a cnut. That bloke had some cutting edge ideas.
You can believe what you want
… he’s a shite ref. And there is nothing in my reply that said/suggested I felt he was out to get United, so you interpret away.This referee has explained the decision not to add appropriate time vs Bournemouth. The reason being, he was afraid of the media backlash that would follow, especially if United scored. This is the 2nd time a referee has come out and called this out. Andre Marriner also explained a decision went against United for the same reason “I didn’t want to be the star of the show on Match of the day. So, for the deniers who insist it happens to all clubs/evens out over the season. It doesn’t in Uniteds case and it is a problem. The consequences of selling out the game to Sky etc etc. The haters have a platform and it is effective. - they even get paid for it… win win.
Sauce: MNF
He was also involved in controversy in Chelsea’s favour, recently,mat Bournemouth
Sauce: MNF
He was also involved in controversy in Chelsea’s favour, recently,mat Bournemouth
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On the pitch ref has the final say on every decision so even if the 4th official is doing the tallying it's on ref to decide.
Newer technology aside, the game is designed to be officiated from start to finish, top to bottom, needing 3 people.
Club need to come out on this. So the normal rules do not apply to Utd? Outrageous if this referee said that.
Got this 2nd hand last night but heard Andre Marriner say it myself. Cant recall the game (there’ve been so many) but when asked to justify his decision, replied “I didn’t want to be the star turn on match of the day”. Clearly shows what pressure refs are under when faced with a decision that favours United. Of course, some refs are only too happy to see us suffer and it goes without saying that it is no excuse for the team’s failures. We still get the Sheffield Weds game trotted out 30+ years later because time was added after the ref was down with cramp for nearly 10 minutes.
When you listen to Reid, Webb and Clattenburg talk about their "careers" you know they put their influence on to a game to satisfy their ego. Clattenburg admitted it. Reid was caught celebrating a goal. Watch any United v Chelsea games with Atkinson reffing.
These guys are dumb enough to have a group photo taken in Thailand with a hooker for each of them on their arm. They are fecking dodgy as they come. UEFA should just do a random draw for refs around the leagues and make Ryanair their official airline carrier.
I would take a Turkish ref over a Newcastle supporting cnut any day.
Just because all clubs feel refs have an agenda against them….doesnt mean refs don’t have an agenda against United.