Whilst I agree that he obviously hates United, and that shows in his decisions, I did think he let the game flow today which at times benefitted us. Particularly for the third goal.
So bad. Any idea why VAR did not check the two penalty incidents?
You need to get some new mates.Funnily in the group chats I am in they are saying the Ref was a massive homer with no red card for Dorgu and no foul for Shaw.
Wasn’t clear and obvious error because of the nick off the defender. Defender made no attempt to play the ball, should’ve been a penalty all day long.Apparently they did check the first one and it was determined the defender touched the ball.
A quietly bad performance. United's 3rd goal was probably a foul and the Brighton free kick for their first was never a foul. Plenty of strange decisions throughout the game.
It's clear at this point humans cant referee games objectively. Give it a few years, AI will do it, and we will be all the better for it
Don't think it was quietly bad. It's utterly bizarre reffing from him and he always seems to have a look on his face of someone who has no idea what they're doing.A quietly bad performance. United's 3rd goal was probably a foul and the Brighton free kick for their first was never a foul. Plenty of strange decisions throughout the game.
It's clear at this point humans cant referee games objectively. Give it a few years, AI will do it, and we will be all the better for it
The VAR was Michael OliverSo bad. Any idea why VAR did not check the two penalty incidents?
Nobody.I am curious. If not Taylor or Oliver, who is the caff’s favourite ref?
I am curious. If not Taylor or Oliver, who is the caff’s favourite ref?
There is no favourite ref. These two are simply the worst of a terrible bunchNobody.
Oliver was VAR. He is so biased, that its insane he still has the job.No idea how the Amad one isn't a penalty but that's on the VAR. It didn't look as clear cut on first viewing.
AI would be much worse. It will have no feel for match and will be to by the book calling any little contact a foul etc.A quietly bad performance. United's 3rd goal was probably a foul and the Brighton free kick for their first was never a foul. Plenty of strange decisions throughout the game.
It's clear at this point humans cant referee games objectively. Give it a few years, AI will do it, and we will be all the better for it
Wasn’t clear and obvious error because of the nick off the defender. Defender made no attempt to play the ball, should’ve been a penalty all day long.
Ive yet to see an angle showing this supposed “nick”.
Where is the nick?
Ive yet to see an angle showing this supposed “nick”.
Where is the nick?
This is the wrong angle. It's much easier to see it from the reverse angle which plays right before this clip. I can't find a video of it online but go back and watch that part of the game again and you'll see the nick quite clearly.
I actually thought the refereeing was unusually decent this game. There were a few silly mistakes but all the big calls were correct imo.
I have seen that angle, there is no touch.
There were plenty of fouls he refused to call that I think helped get the crowd going actually. So it worked in our favour.
Oh and this….
Well then idk what to tell you. It's a very clear but admittedly small nick on the ball. I suppose if you have poor vision you could miss it?
He kept the game flowing which isn't necessarily a mistake, imo. Being inconsistent is much worse than letting the soft fouls go.
That is another misleading angle/shot. If you go back and watch the incident there is an initial coming together which is what is pictured in that tweet, then there is a second contact which is the foul. The freekick is probably slightly closer to goal than where the foul occurred but it's not nearly as bad as that tweet suggests. I'd bet similar situations happen literally every weekend.
The Welbeck one? Because Dorgu wasn’t playing when we scored the first 2 goals.The first goal I thought it was a foul and Dorgu could have just not been a complete spanner in the first place.
No idea how the Amad one isn't a penalty but that's on the VAR. It didn't look as clear cut on first viewing.
I have no idea what goes on with added time anymore. They all seem to just completely make it up based on what the score/agenda is for that game. If it's still 3-0 he'd have added on 3-4 mins.
Liverpool got 14 minutes just now for literally no reason other than because they were chasing a goal.
It is a pen all day long. He was poor and as others pointed out just not a very good refI didnt see the nick as well but admittedly have only seen 2 angles.
But assuming there is a nick, does that completely negate the penalty? If you touch the ball and move it by 1 inch and then foul the opponent who was going to be in a goal scoring position, then does that mean its not a penalty anymore ? My understanding was that you have to "win" the ball and not just "touch" the ball. But I am no expert on the fine prints on the rules of the game so looking to be educated.
The law is written in an incredibly vague manner, the fine print isn't that useful unfortunately. Going off of this season's precedent, getting just a nick on the ball before contacting the opponent is not deemed a foul. Arsenal had a penalty disallowed for a similar reason.I didnt see the nick as well but admittedly have only seen 2 angles.
But assuming there is a nick, does that completely negate the penalty? If you touch the ball and move it by 1 inch and then foul the opponent who was going to be in a goal scoring position, then does that mean its not a penalty anymore ? My understanding was that you have to "win" the ball and not just "touch" the ball. But I am no expert on the fine prints on the rules of the game so looking to be educated.
It would depend on the manner of the contact between the defender and Amad.Is anyone really suggesting that if Amad is bursting from halfway and pushes it past the defender down the line…defender sticks his leg out and the ball grazes his sock as it passes him and he takes out Diallo, then it’s not a foul?
He’s clearly talking about the Brighton goals.The Welbeck one? Because Dorgu wasn’t playing when we scored the first 2 goals.
Why is the nick relevant, nicking the ball doesn't give you licence to barrel a player over. Nick or not, that is still a clear foul and therefore a penalty.
And the referee thought it would be a good time to issue the first corner for the goalie holding onto the ball for a second too long! Gotta give the scousers every last opportunityThe first goal I thought it was a foul and Dorgu could have just not been a complete spanner in the first place.
No idea how the Amad one isn't a penalty but that's on the VAR. It didn't look as clear cut on first viewing.
I have no idea what goes on with added time anymore. They all seem to just completely make it up based on what the score/agenda is for that game. If it's still 3-0 he'd have added on 3-4 mins.
Liverpool got 14 minutes just now for literally no reason other than because they were chasing a goal.
Only last week Amad made a clean tackle and then caught the Liverpool player. A foul was given and he was booked. This weekend the Brighton defender apparently gets a nick on the ball. I’m yet to see a replay that shows this and it’s only because Neville said it in commentary it’s been mentioned. He takes out Amad. It’s a clear penalty.
At that stage of the game it’s 0-0. In another game it costs us the result.
Give it to Gemini till the end of the season.A quietly bad performance. United's 3rd goal was probably a foul and the Brighton free kick for their first was never a foul. Plenty of strange decisions throughout the game.
It's clear at this point humans cant referee games objectively. Give it a few years, AI will do it, and we will be all the better for it
Well the manner of the contact would look exactly the same as in yesterday’s game.It would depend on the manner of the contact between the defender and Amad.
If you get the ball when making a challenge it is not a foul unless the challenge is careless, reckless, or uses excessive force.
So bad. Any idea why VAR did not check the two penalty incidents?
