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Our Record with Anthony Taylor
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Compare to the penalty at West Ham that Oliver was involved with it’s an utter joke. Don’t get me wrong there’s incompetence that every team suffers with but some of these refs bloody hate us.
The spell before our first goal was just bizarre. I reckon a Brighton player could’ve thrown a United player into the crowd and we wouldn’t have got a foul.
That's it. Abandon your friendship of 20 odd years because Fully Fledged on the caf said you should.
The foul against Mbeumo, I could see why VAR didn't interfere . But Amad' one was stonewall pen.
Any remotely competent referee would ask VAR to check.
wonder what PGMOL gonna say about that.
Any remotely competent referee would ask VAR to check.
wonder what PGMOL gonna say about that.
I am not one for conspiracy theories or going all Liverpool fan during their shit times, but that penalty incident was flabbergasting. No matter however close he was to the play the immediate decision from any ref on the ground would have been a pen. I don't know how he didn't give it and then how in the hell that cnut Oliver didn't even ask him to review his decision on the monitor on the field. It was one of the most blatant penalties.
I have already abandoned them. Should I ask them back.
It's too late now. Channel your inner Anthony Taylor and stick by your wrong decision.
Oliver has only reffed us twice in going on 2 years now. Both away at Anfield, there must be a reason he's not been taking our games.
It wouldn't surprise me if PGMOL realized he's been fecking us over for years. Took him off United games and he only gets a high profile United game once a season so eyebrows aren't raised and questions aren't asked as to why he's not being given United games anymore.
He's a boyhood Newcastle fan who is exactly the right age to have been a fan when Newcastle were were our big title rivals and we broke their hearts in 96 and pipped them to the title. I've no doubt he fecking hates us.
Like you said, if that's true he's only reffed us twice in 2 years and they were both at Anfield that is weird and something must be going on.
Any way I never said abandon your current mate just get some new one.
Finally this is the internet, if someone is going to abandon 20 friendships off the back of a throw away quip on a football forum they have bigger issues than me.
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4 matches in the last 2 years, only one game last season and only one this season so far.
4 matches in the last 2 years and 3 of them have been at Anfield.
That is bizarre and well spotted by you. Something has to be going on there. Have we complained about him and they've agreed to take him off our matches? He's reffed one match at Old Trafford in 2 and a half years.
Have you guys not seen this angle that was shown over and over again, where the touch is slight but very easy to see, or are you saying that you can't see it here?
https://streamin.me/v/b50256cd
As for Amad last week, I thought that was a bit unlucky but he probably got it for being reckless since he ended up planting his studs into the opponent. That's not relevant for this challenge.
However many times I watch that it just becomes more a penalty
It’s even more bizarre that they clearhave no authority over the refs if they can’t make them tie the line but instead, have to take them off certain fixtures because they can’t be trusted. They really have made a big effort t make themselves the centre of attention and largely succeeded. Raising their profile has brought them greater rewards.
Another weak referee in the best league in the world. Don't understand how much money and quality there is and we see this level of refereeing every week. Shambles FA.
And totally disingenuous.
As has already been mentioned in the thread that still is not the moment the ankle kick happened that sent him down. People have just decided to ignore that to keep the conspiracy stuff rolling.
It is still a very clear pen. Are you saying you don't understand that?
Is it though? It wasn’t a reckless or dangerous challenge. And it’s not a foul if you trip someone up after first playing the ball. So why a penalty?
Yes. As he keeps lifting his leg.
That is the replay I was looking for. Only saw it once on the tv and did not see any nick then, and I still don't see any here.
Edit - saw it now. It actually looks clearer when you are not pausing to see the touch.
Was there any genuine attempt to play the ball though? Yesterday it looked to me like he stuck his leg out to take out Amad and succeeded. Any very minor touch on the ball was coincidental and doesn't excuse cleaning a player out afterwards.
https://streamin.me/v/b50256cd
Is that not usually given as a foul outside the box in 99% of cases?
No idea but it's strange the media haven't mentioned why he's suddenly only officiating United matches very rarely.
A very, very slight touch on the ball, but the extended leg then stops Amad from having any chance to get to the ball.
I honestly can't see that he touched the ball at all in those replays.
I saw that the defender stroked the ball with one stud, yes, but I don’t get what that has to do with anything. There is nothing saying you can trip or take down a man if you just manage touch the ball in some way. There is no interpretation of the rules where that is not a clear and undisputable foul.
Don't try to pause it and look too closely. If you just let the clip play normal speed, you can see a very slight touch.
Contact, as his heel hitting Amad? As I just haven’t seen an angle where he touches the ball? Or maybe Amad was no longer in control of the ball guff as he was on the floor…..
What about Dunk on Mbeumo ? That one was not even checked on VAR and Dunk did not even try to go for the ball. It was worse than the fk the ref gave for Dorgu.
That's what I'm asking. In the link I posted, can you not see the defender touching the ball before he takes Amad out? I'm not arguing if it should still be a penalty or not even with the touch, I'm interested in if you actually can't see the ball slightly change trajectory because of the defender's heel hitting the ball at e.g. the replay at 14/15 seconds.
Seeing as this is the Anthony Taylor thread the one thing we can surely all agree on is that his decision to not award a penalty in real time was terrible. It was such an incredibly obvious trip and any contact on the ball was so subtle there’s zero chance he saw it.
Once he’d made that terrible decision a penalty was always going to be very unlikely due to the combination of the touch on the ball and this season’s VAR obsession with “referee’s call”.
On a side note, I’d be up for blaming VAR for his crap call in the first place. Must be incredibly tempting to avoid making big calls when you know you have a VAR safety net.
Once he’d made that terrible decision a penalty was always going to be very unlikely due to the combination of the touch on the ball and this season’s VAR obsession with “referee’s call”.
On a side note, I’d be up for blaming VAR for his crap call in the first place. Must be incredibly tempting to avoid making big calls when you know you have a VAR safety net.
Perhaps the person picking refs is a Liverpool fan?
Worse. They are a law unto themselves. Now again, an arse like Coote gets nailed but I reckon the corruption is more widespread than we can imagine. There’s simply too much money in the game to expect refs not to want a piece of it.
Its a joke that VAR cant apply the rules of the game correctly. The miniscule touch is irrelevant and its a careless trip in the box that there is only one outcome.
Id love to know what Taylor thought he seen.
Looking at Taylor in a great position to see that, I can only think of one reason why he didn’t give it. I can think of a couple of C words…but only one reason.
Everybody saying they can see a slight brush, I don't see it at all. Not that a slight brush should give him license to then trip the attacker
The “trip or attempt to trip” stuff is about a straight up trip. When they’re not trying to play the ball and decide to trip an attacking player up. Even if they don’t succeed in getting them on the floor it’s still a foul. The defence here is that he lifted his leg to try and play the ball. Which is helped by him successfully doing exactly that.
I just don’t think this is as cut and dried as some of you think it is. And so long as the VAR priority this season is to only intervene in really really obvious mistakes (although feck knows how that threshold can be defined in a way that keeps football fans happy) then there’s enough benefit of the doubt for them to allow the original decision to stand.
Couple of response from former referees which is exactly how I feel about it. Would really like to hear from Webb about it. I think careless is the key word here which it unquestionably his. He's dangled his foot out behind him in a desperate attempt to play the ball which he isn't looking at and he's kicked/tripped/fouled his opponent.
Exactly